Would you consider the 70D to be

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jwhphotos
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Would you consider the 70D to be
Jul 7, 2013

an upgrade to the existing 7D?

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Re: Would you consider the 70D to be
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I don't think, it's not the same category of camera, sure there is some upgrades from the 7D but it's not the same target.

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Sensor, yes, possibly, probably, maybe!

Everything else, probably not.......and I don't take video into account, if it has it at all, it's just an interesting curiosity to me, not a deal-breaker/maker.

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Re: Would you consider the 70D to be
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70D has a new sensor and the new Dual Pixel AF system in Live View and Video but the AF used with the view finder is less than the 7D. IMHO, at best it's better but not meant to be the 7D upgrade.

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Definitely not unless...
In reply to jwhphotos, Jul 7, 2013

Definitely not unless the new sensor brings better photo quality (less high-ISO noise and more detail in RAW), and unless the new hybrid video mode works with Sigma lenses.

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it could be an upgrade for someone who is more into video than stills. The focusing for video looks like an amazing feature, but I haven't seen any tests of it. Other than that nothing about it is an upgrade except for maybe the sensor. The jury is still out.

The ergonomics look like a downgrade to me, but I know that's subjective.  I don't think it's intended to be the same class of camera.

I definitely wouldn't trade my 7d for a 70d.

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I'd be happy paying less money for a camera without live view and video.

I just want it to take stills brilliantly (using the viewfinder), all this other crap is a waste of time......in my opinion anyway.

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Re: Would you consider the 70D to be
In reply to exactopposite, Jul 7, 2013

I too have a 7D and the live-view focusing is of interest to me since I use that quite a bit although not for video which I don't care about. The price is attractive and it seems like there are a number of improvements over the 7D. IQ remains to be seen and that along with focus speed and accuracy will, for me, make it or break it.

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Re: Would you consider the 70D to be
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jwhphotos wrote:

an upgrade to the existing 7D?

70D VS 7D For video, yes. Stills like sports or bif, no/yes(dual pixel af could be game changer).

fps: 7 vs 8

cr2 buffer: 16 vs 25

jpeg buffer: 65 vs 123

af x-types: SAME

af pts: SAME

af expansion: SAME

dual pixel af: yes vs no

body cpu: 1 vs 2

silent mode: 2nd Gen. vs 1st Gen.

built-in wifi: yes vs no

lcd: articulating vs fixed

electronic level: 1 axis vs 2 axis

touch screen: yes vs no

live view: fast vs slow

af tracking in video: YES vs none

weight: 755g vs 820g

body material: plastic vs metal

weather sealing: SAME

HDR mode: yes vs none

multiexposure: yes vs none

VF coverage: 98% vs 100%

VF magnification: .95x vs 1.0x

flash x-sync: SAME

MP: 20.2 vs 18.0

flash commander: SAME

storage type: 1sd vs 1cf

IQ: unknown vs Ok

price: $1199 vs $1299(now)

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Re: Would you consider the 70D to be
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Not a 7D upgrade, or replacement. That will come soon, I expect.

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In reply to PC Wheeler, Jul 7, 2013

For me, yes. As long as it less noise at ISO 800 than the 7D had. I sold my 7D because of the noise and have been using the 5D Mark III for everything since. Also being able to use my 400mm with a 2x and autofocus in live view is a big plus for birds and also the articulated screen. For normal viewfinder type shots, especially in low light, I will prefer to continue using my 5D 3.

I sold my 7D soon after I got the 5D Mark III and have been waiting for a 1.6 crop with less noise as an additional camera. I hope the 70D is it.

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Re: Would you consider the 70D to be
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Private Custard wrote:

I'd be happy paying less money for a camera without live view and video.

I just want it to take stills brilliantly (using the viewfinder), all this other crap is a waste of time......in my opinion anyway.

I'll second that... they can keep both live view and video.. don't use it..don't want it..don't need it... for the occasional video I take I still have my Canon 850is P&S and my FlipĀ 

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Re: Would you consider the 70D to be
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If you are looking for a 7D this may be a contender. But owning a 7D I don't think so.

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i might find a use for live view sometime. probably give me a better macro now and then. but i could easily do w/out video. of course, it isn't a "one size fits all" world is it?

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NOISE, NOISE REALLY. I gotta stop using 3200ISO with my 7D and printing 13x19.

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Try printing 24 x 36 and shooting ISO 800 and 1600. Of course it depends on the scene as well. And if you have to crop, it makes it even worse. But really, YES! Or I just may be spoiled with the 5D II and then III. I don't want to be limited to 13 x 19 prints. And with birds, lots of time you are cropping because you have to grab the shot or are not close enough. That's mainly what I used the 7D for when I had it. Maybe a had a noisy version. For your purposes it sounds just fine.

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If I had a 24 x 36 printer ...I would be shooting ISO 800,1600 and 3200 with my 7D.

My forte is post processing and noise reduction. So its not a problem.

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Private Custard wrote:

I'd be happy paying less money for a camera without live view and video.

I just want it to take stills brilliantly (using the viewfinder), all this other crap is a waste of time......in my opinion anyway.

I don't care about video myself but I do find live view to be useful when taking long exposures. I am able to put a 10 stop ND filter on my lens, compose, and focus using live view. Looking though the view finder it's completely black. I used to compose, focus, switch to manual, put the ND filter on and then shoot. Usually I moved something a little bit which isn't the end of the world. A friend suggested using live view and I was pleasantly surprised. For this reason I want live view.

More on topic - I wouldn't consider the 70D to be an upgrade. Just an updated version of the lower end model. I'm sure there will be something better than the current 7D (hopefully the sensor) but if I had a 7D there is no way I would trade it for the 70D. That said, for me personally, the 70D works out well for me since it uses SD cards, the same remote shutter release, has all of the functionality I really need, and it is a bit cheaper so I will finally upgrade for 450D. I was actually looking to buy a 7D earlier this spring and the store was out of stock so I decided to wait a little longer. Buying 6 CF cards and a new remote shutter release doesn't sound like a lot but it adds another $2-300 to the cost of the camera for me...

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In reply to jwhphotos, Jul 7, 2013

No 100% viewfinder, slower fps, slower card writing speed, slower card format, less durable shutter, less viewfinder magnification, less usable body (lacking many direct access controls), smaller, lacks the dedicated AF processor and some important AF modes - so no, the 70D is for the most part quite a severe downgrade on the 7D...

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In reply to Karl Gnter Wnsch, Jul 7, 2013

At the current prices which camera 7D vs 70D is a better value, if you would shoot video 50% of the time. I believe I read that the still AF module is from the 7D, so I would think AF performance would be similar between the two. Are most 7D users happy with the current AF performance? The 70D seems to have the edge in video alone. I would assume it would also do better in low light performance given the ISO ratings, the difference between 7 and 8 FPS isn't major to me. If I changed, I would be selling a D7000, which I use mainly for video. The still AF on the D7000 is not as good as a Nikon D300, but good enough that I get consistent results. I would not want any lower AF performance, and MP sensor size doesn't really matter to me.

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