Switch from Canon to Nikon - advice on lenses

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fhoffman
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Switch from Canon to Nikon - advice on lenses
Jul 6, 2013

Hi,

I currently own a Canon 7D and have also invested in high quality Canon lenses including the 10-22mm ultra-wide, 24-70 f/2.8L (1st gen) and 70-200 f/4L IS.

I plan to upgrade to a full frame camera and am leaning towards Nikon D600. This camera appears to have the overhand compared to Canon 6D and I've almost convinced myself that it's worthwhile to make the shift...

I plan to sell my Canon gear and use the money to buy the D600 body and some lenses.

Ideally I would like to have lenses that cover the same focal lengths as my current set up, and as my budget has its limitations I am considering these two lenses:

  • Sigma 12-24mm II
  • Nikon 28-300mm

I'm looking for any advice on these two lenses and my "strategy" as a whole. Will the supposed quality gains in the D600 body be outweighed by the degradation of quality in the lenses? Am I better off staying with Canon and buying a 6D instead? Any suggestions for an alternative/better combination of lenses that falls into the same rough budget range as the two above?

Any advice is most appreciated!

Thanks

FH

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In reply to fhoffman, Jul 6, 2013

The three Canon lenses you have are good lenses.

The Sigma 12-24 is not a stellar lens - it has very poor corners. The Nikon 28-300 VR is a decent/good consumer lens, but is a stop slower than your existing Canon lenses.

Look to the Tokina 16-28 UWA instead of the Sigma. And consider a better telephoto instead of the 28-300 VR.

You are probably going to have to pitch in more $$ for better glass if you want to get the most out of that D600.

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I wouldn't switch, get the 6D or the 5DmkIII which are excellent cameras. The "only" advantage I see on the Nikon side (I own Nikon) is the DR at base ISO, but unless you really push your files in post, you will not see a big difference. If I had Canon lenses, I would be happy with a 5DmkIII. Right now, I am very happy with my D800, but all full frames bodies right now from both Canon and Nikon are amazing cameras, light years ahead of a 7D sensor.

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In reply to fhoffman, Jul 6, 2013

Oh, and I forgot the quality control issues that Nikon has lately.

And Canon has a much better service (faster turnarounds and cheaper )

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You already have FF Canon L series good glass. I would sell the 10-22 which is not FF, and get the 6D body. Re-purchasing great 24-70 and 70-200 Nikkor glass would be too expensive, given the constraints you mentioned. Unless there is something you really don't like with the 6D body and you want to come over to the Nikon system. But then a 10x zoom like the 28-300 is not the greatest of Nikkors.

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Zlik wrote:

I wouldn't switch, get the 6D or the 5DmkIII which are excellent cameras. The "only" advantage I see on the Nikon side (I own Nikon) is the DR at base ISO, but unless you really push your files in post, you will not see a big difference. If I had Canon lenses, I would be happy with a 5DmkIII. Right now, I am very happy with my D800, but all full frames bodies right now from both Canon and Nikon are amazing cameras, light years ahead of a 7D sensor.

I agree with this. You are going to let go of a 24-70f2.8 and a 70-200 f4 to end up with lesser Nikon 28-300 glass because you will loose money on the switch.

I shoot Nikon and I am of the firm belief that switching systems is not a great idea and I would not switch from what you have to a D600 with consumer lenses.

Keep what you have and get a Cannon 6D or, if you can afford it, a 5Diii to go with your 7D. You will get a 300mm field of view with the 70-200 on the 7D and use the 24-70 on the 5D. Sort your UWA later by trading for a 17-40 f4 or 16-35 f2.8. Another alternative is sell the 7D and wide angle and get a 5Diii and 16-35 f2.8.

If you are going to go Nikon you will need to budget for a 16-35 f4, 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f4 to get glass as good or slightly better than you already have. It will cost a fortune in the switch.

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Stevbrkr wrote:

Zlik wrote:

I wouldn't switch, get the 6D or the 5DmkIII which are excellent cameras. The "only" advantage I see on the Nikon side (I own Nikon) is the DR at base ISO, but unless you really push your files in post, you will not see a big difference. If I had Canon lenses, I would be happy with a 5DmkIII. Right now, I am very happy with my D800, but all full frames bodies right now from both Canon and Nikon are amazing cameras, light years ahead of a 7D sensor.

I agree with this. You are going to let go of a 24-70f2.8 and a 70-200 f4 to end up with lesser Nikon 28-300 glass because you will loose money on the switch.

Exactly, 6D + 24-70/2.8 + 70-200/4 is MUCH better than D600 + consumer zoom.

I shoot Nikon and I am of the firm belief that switching systems is not a great idea and I would not switch from what you have to a D600 with consumer lenses.

Keep what you have and get a Cannon 6D or, if you can afford it, a 5Diii to go with your 7D. You will get a 300mm field of view with the 70-200 on the 7D and use the 24-70 on the 5D. Sort your UWA later by trading for a 17-40 f4 or 16-35 f2.8. Another alternative is sell the 7D and wide angle and get a 5Diii and 16-35 f2.8.

If you are going to go Nikon you will need to budget for a 16-35 f4, 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f4 to get glass as good or slightly better than you already have. It will cost a fortune in the switch.

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In reply to fhoffman, Jul 7, 2013

Off topic: regardless of which brand you end up with, I would personally add a cheap, fast prime (50/1.8 or 85/1.8), which essentially "unlocks" one more stop vs your f/2.8 zoom.

One more thing: the difference between all those full frame cameras (6D, 5D3, D600, D800) is nothing compared to the difference between any of them and the 7D.

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In reply to Zlik, Jul 7, 2013

Zlik wrote:

Oh, and I forgot the quality control issues that Nikon has lately.

I haven't seen as much complaining in these forums lately as there used to be. Is it that Nikon's shaped up or does everyone expect their Nikons to spray oil around so they don't post about it?

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fhoffman wrote:

Hi,

I currently own a Canon 7D and have also invested in high quality Canon lenses including the 10-22mm ultra-wide, 24-70 f/2.8L (1st gen) and 70-200 f/4L IS.

I plan to upgrade to a full frame camera and am leaning towards Nikon D600. This camera appears to have the overhand compared to Canon 6D and I've almost convinced myself that it's worthwhile to make the shift...

I plan to sell my Canon gear and use the money to buy the D600 body and some lenses.

Ideally I would like to have lenses that cover the same focal lengths as my current set up, and as my budget has its limitations I am considering these two lenses:

  • Sigma 12-24mm II
  • Nikon 28-300mm

I'm looking for any advice on these two lenses and my "strategy" as a whole. Will the supposed quality gains in the D600 body be outweighed by the degradation of quality in the lenses? Am I better off staying with Canon and buying a 6D instead? Any suggestions for an alternative/better combination of lenses that falls into the same rough budget range as the two above?

Any advice is most appreciated!

Thanks

FH

Are you serious or just trolling ?

If you are then take my advice: Keep your Canon gears, if you still want to switch steer away from the D600 - cheaply built, horrible quality control, the ideal is good but the execution is terrible.  I am a Nikon shooter but I'd not touch the D600 until Nikon sort out the problem with grease, oil and dust on sensor - can't imagine me cleaning the sensor every few thousands shots.

Nikon either shapes up or ships out.

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mais51 wrote:

fhoffman wrote:

Hi,

I currently own a Canon 7D and have also invested in high quality Canon lenses including the 10-22mm ultra-wide, 24-70 f/2.8L (1st gen) and 70-200 f/4L IS.

I plan to upgrade to a full frame camera and am leaning towards Nikon D600. This camera appears to have the overhand compared to Canon 6D and I've almost convinced myself that it's worthwhile to make the shift...

I plan to sell my Canon gear and use the money to buy the D600 body and some lenses.

Ideally I would like to have lenses that cover the same focal lengths as my current set up, and as my budget has its limitations I am considering these two lenses:

  • Sigma 12-24mm II
  • Nikon 28-300mm

I'm looking for any advice on these two lenses and my "strategy" as a whole. Will the supposed quality gains in the D600 body be outweighed by the degradation of quality in the lenses? Am I better off staying with Canon and buying a 6D instead? Any suggestions for an alternative/better combination of lenses that falls into the same rough budget range as the two above?

Any advice is most appreciated!

Thanks

FH

Are you serious or just trolling ?

If you are then take my advice: Keep your Canon gears, if you still want to switch steer away from the D600 - cheaply built, horrible quality control, the ideal is good but the execution is terrible. I am a Nikon shooter but I'd not touch the D600 until Nikon sort out the problem with grease, oil and dust on sensor - can't imagine me cleaning the sensor every few thousands shots.

Nikon either shapes up or ships out.

Now this is what I'd call trolling and outright misinformation. This guy doesn't even own a D600.

I do own a D600 and I consider it outstanding in all regards, specially IQ, handling and, yes, build quality. The sensor dust/oil issue seems to be present but it's totally easy to deal with, you just blow it away or do the occasional wet clean that is quite usual for all DSLRs anyway, no big deal.

For more knowlegeable and serious evaluation about the D600 there are dozens of professional reviews you can refer to, of course (I personally consider Thom Hogan and Luminous Landscape among the best).

On your post questions, I consider lens quality is usually more important than the body at use, but if you're inclined to come to the dark side, I would concur on advising to consider the Tokina for wide zoom and the Nikon 70-200 f/4, a stellar lens for tele zoom, instead of the 28-300 (good for a 10X zoom, but not at the same level). There is a price difference but not so big, and this the kind of lens that you'll never regret buying.

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Keep your Canon gears even you want to get your hands on Nikon. They are good stuff. I never used D600 but heard it has pretty nasty oil problem and other poor quality issues.

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Sorry for the lack of text in my above post; my fingers outran this sluggish iPad.

You would be downgrading your lenses, AND, quite importantly, switching to a camera with a dinkier grip. The 7D has a more hand-filling grip area than the D600. Depending upon your hand size, this could be quite important. Really, lenses are more important than the camera, or the sensor size. Your proposed switch would be a notable down-grade. Your 10-22mm EF-S, in particular, is quite excellent in the ultra-wide class; mine is virtually welded onto one of my 7D bodies. I am less familiar with the Nikon zoom you mentioned, in relation to the other Canon zooms.

I am not a Canon fan-boy trying to keep you from jumping ship. I use both Canon and Nikon cameras, and sometimes Nikkor lenses on my Canon bodies. Life is good!

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The 7D is NOT a full frame camera.

I made the switch from Canon to Nikon; albeit to the D800 and I'm glad I made the switch.  Nikon cameras are more feature packed and the menus make much more sense and are usable.  I actually Love Nikon glass.  If you get the F4 versions of the holy trinity (Triumvrant?), you can't go wrong and you won't look back.

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Thanks everybody for taking the time to reply and for your advice and input! Much appreciated.

You've just helped me decide to stay with the gear I have and go for the 6D.

I will check out the other lenses that were mentioned, especially the ultra wide angle, since I need to get that focal length covered no matter what full frame body I go with.

Thanks again all for your help.

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mais51 wrote:

fhoffman wrote:

Hi,

I currently own a Canon 7D and have also invested in high quality Canon lenses including the 10-22mm ultra-wide, 24-70 f/2.8L (1st gen) and 70-200 f/4L IS.

I plan to upgrade to a full frame camera and am leaning towards Nikon D600. This camera appears to have the overhand compared to Canon 6D and I've almost convinced myself that it's worthwhile to make the shift...

I plan to sell my Canon gear and use the money to buy the D600 body and some lenses.

Ideally I would like to have lenses that cover the same focal lengths as my current set up, and as my budget has its limitations I am considering these two lenses:

  • Sigma 12-24mm II
  • Nikon 28-300mm

I'm looking for any advice on these two lenses and my "strategy" as a whole. Will the supposed quality gains in the D600 body be outweighed by the degradation of quality in the lenses? Am I better off staying with Canon and buying a 6D instead? Any suggestions for an alternative/better combination of lenses that falls into the same rough budget range as the two above?

Any advice is most appreciated!

Thanks

FH

Are you serious or just trolling ?

If you are then take my advice: Keep your Canon gears, if you still want to switch steer away from the D600 - cheaply built, horrible quality control, the ideal is good but the execution is terrible. I am a Nikon shooter but I'd not touch the D600 until Nikon sort out the problem with grease, oil and dust on sensor - can't imagine me cleaning the sensor every few thousands shots.

Nikon either shapes up or ships out.

I would agree to keep the Canon. But there's nothing wrong with the D600. Quality issues are totally blown out of proportion. After several shots, the oil goes away. And it's not cheaply built. I do agree that they can be catty when there is a problem.

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I also made the switch to a D800 from 5D3, and even though the bodies and most of the lenses were traded, it still cost me a fortune, since I had to get a couple of lenses new (good luck finding a 70-200 f/4 VR used). Although I don't regret making the switch, if I was not specifically a landscape shooter wanting the best possible DR and resolution, I would never have done it. My Canon gear was very reliable, and I feel as a system, Canon has great glass to offer, as good as or better than Nikon.

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fhoffman wrote:

Hi,

I currently own a Canon 7D and have also invested in high quality Canon lenses including the 10-22mm ultra-wide, 24-70 f/2.8L (1st gen) and 70-200 f/4L IS.

I plan to upgrade to a full frame camera and am leaning towards Nikon D600. This camera appears to have the overhand compared to Canon 6D and I've almost convinced myself that it's worthwhile to make the shift...

I plan to sell my Canon gear and use the money to buy the D600 body and some lenses.

Ideally I would like to have lenses that cover the same focal lengths as my current set up, and as my budget has its limitations I am considering these two lenses:

  • Sigma 12-24mm II
  • Nikon 28-300mm

I'm looking for any advice on these two lenses and my "strategy" as a whole. Will the supposed quality gains in the D600 body be outweighed by the degradation of quality in the lenses? Am I better off staying with Canon and buying a 6D instead? Any suggestions for an alternative/better combination of lenses that falls into the same rough budget range as the two above?

Any advice is most appreciated!

Thanks

FH

Why? Usually there is a reason for a switch like that. The 6D is a fantastic camera. (And I own a D600.) So if I had your glass, I would be staying with Canon. I just bought my D600 because I was finally able to move to a full frame DSLR. What made me decide? The lenses I already owned - from 10 years ago! I almost went with Canon for the 6D, but in the end, it was the lenses that kept me here. And I'm so familiar with Nikon's way of thinking that I just fell right into using this camera.

And not everyone feels that the D600 is a better camera than the 6D, so while you're convinced it has the upper hand on the D600, I wouldn't be so quick to assume.

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stevo23 wrote:

Why? Usually there is a reason for a switch like that. The 6D is a fantastic camera. (And I own a D600.) So if I had your glass, I would be staying with Canon. I just bought my D600 because I was finally able to move to a full frame DSLR. What made me decide? The lenses I already owned - from 10 years ago! I almost went with Canon for the 6D, but in the end, it was the lenses that kept me here. And I'm so familiar with Nikon's way of thinking that I just fell right into using this camera.

And not everyone feels that the D600 is a better camera than the 6D, so while you're convinced it has the upper hand on the D600, I wouldn't be so quick to assume.

Thanks. Great input.

It's mainly the greater dynamic range and higher pixel count of D600 that attracted me.

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