Nikon vs Canon; a few question

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Nikon vs Canon; a few question
Jun 30, 2013

This isn't quite another "Which one is better?" thread but more of a question period where I ask questions and where others answer based on their expertise and experience.

I am not a troll nor do I actually believe there is a difference between either that can make or break a photographer but I am intrigued as to why some people find differences between products that without creative input from a human being do nothing more than act as heavy and expensive paperweights.

I have been a Canon user since day one and in talking to people and reading forums, I have come across certain assertions others make about each brand. I am often left wondering how much truth there is to each statement so I am going to write down statements I have encountered in the last few years and I hope others can chime in to where such "facts" originated from and if there is any truth to them.  Here it goes and don't ask me to source where I've heard or read each statement but I assure you, they are out there.

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better"

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems"

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ"

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons"

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG"

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them"

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon"

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ZedEm wrote:

This isn't quite another "Which one is better?" thread but more of a question period where I ask questions and where others answer based on their expertise and experience.

I am not a troll nor do I actually believe there is a difference between either that can make or break a photographer but I am intrigued as to why some people find differences between products that without creative input from a human being do nothing more than act as heavy and expensive paperweights.

I have been a Canon user since day one and in talking to people and reading forums, I have come across certain assertions others make about each brand. I am often left wondering how much truth there is to each statement so I am going to write down statements I have encountered in the last few years and I hope others can chime in to where such "facts" originated from and if there is any truth to them. Here it goes and don't ask me to source where I've heard or read each statement but I assure you, they are out there.

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better"

I would switch the above. Of the pro level lenses I've used the Nikons have tended to be VERY slightly better in terms of sharpness, bokeh, etc. Consumer level lenses have tended to go the opposite. Again, we're talking VERY minor differences here though.

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems"

Never heard that.

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ"

If 'XYZ' means Canon provides more top tier lenses via sponsorship I agree.

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons"

Never heard that either.

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG"

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them"

Green?! In my opinion Sony's images have a slight magenta tint, Nikon's images tend towards a slight yellow, and Canon's are the least consistent but tend towards green.

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon"

Huh?

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ZedEm wrote:

This isn't quite another "Which one is better?" thread but more of a question period where I ask questions and where others answer based on their expertise and experience.

I am not a troll nor do I actually believe there is a difference between either that can make or break a photographer but I am intrigued as to why some people find differences between products that without creative input from a human being do nothing more than act as heavy and expensive paperweights.

I have been a Canon user since day one and in talking to people and reading forums, I have come across certain assertions others make about each brand. I am often left wondering how much truth there is to each statement so I am going to write down statements I have encountered in the last few years and I hope others can chime in to where such "facts" originated from and if there is any truth to them. Here it goes and don't ask me to source where I've heard or read each statement but I assure you, they are out there.

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

There are some Nikon 'professional; lenses better or have no Canon equivalent, the 14-24mm f/2.8, for example.

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better"

I don't no if I could go for that one either.

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems"

I don't know many studios that employ shoe moount type flash units on a regualr basis. I do think that the Nikon plash system is better than Canon's, but it wasn't always that way.

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ"

I think that this is generally true for sports, but I don't know about wildlife. Canon super telephoto lenses have been generally less expensive than Canon's.

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons"

Most professional landscape photographers I know work with larger format cameras; neither Canon not Nikon.

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG"

Whatever that means

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them"

I wouldn't no about that either

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon"

In which country?

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1) "Canon professional lenses are better" (Not sure about that one but they do have more of a wow factor since they're white and make you look like a pro to soccer parents)

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better" (Never heard that)

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems" (I've heard this many times but I don't know if it's true or how recent that information is. Maybe in the 80s/90s?. I blame Ken Rockwell for this myth."

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ" (Maybe true at one time as per Canon professional services but now I can see just as many black lenses in the sports stands as I see white ones. As for wildlife photography; no idea)

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons" (Bullocks)

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG" (huh?)

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them" (I read a review once and the D800 photos did appear more green than the Canon Mark III. Who knows what factors were present)

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon" (Maybe true. Canon seems to have a more aggressive marketing campaign though they are thankfully lacking Ashton Kutcher. Here's another fun fact; Out of the seven weddings I've been to in the last five years, all seven of them had photographers in their 20s/30s using Canons.)

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ZedEm wrote:

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

Nope.  Both systems have some excellent lenses.

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better"

Nope.  Both are about equal.  Both have some duds and some very good.

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems"

Nope.  Maybe if all you use are speedlights, as the Nikon system is 'said' to be better.  But completely irrelevant if you use studio strobes, which is what you would be using in a professional studio.

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ"

Huh?  What is 'XYZ'?  Absolutely no idea what you are talking about here.

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons"

First I have heard of that.

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG"

Really?  Never heard that, but I have heard that Canon jpgs look plasticy.

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them"

Mine don't, but then I don't shoot jpg.

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon"

Really?  I started using Nikon in my late teens.  I am now over 60.  Still using Nikon, by the way.

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I think you've experienced somewhat typical brand bias when reading forums. Comments are below.

ZedEm wrote:

This isn't quite another "Which one is better?" thread but more of a question period where I ask questions and where others answer based on their expertise and experience.

I am not a troll nor do I actually believe there is a difference between either that can make or break a photographer but I am intrigued as to why some people find differences between products that without creative input from a human being do nothing more than act as heavy and expensive paperweights.

I have been a Canon user since day one and in talking to people and reading forums, I have come across certain assertions others make about each brand. I am often left wondering how much truth there is to each statement so I am going to write down statements I have encountered in the last few years and I hope others can chime in to where such "facts" originated from and if there is any truth to them. Here it goes and don't ask me to source where I've heard or read each statement but I assure you, they are out there.

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

Nope, both companies manufacture very good pro lenses from what I've seen. I base this on comparisons of the photos and comments from colleagues.

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better"

Same as above. Both have some really good lenses and some weak ones. There are also 3rd party companies that have some really good lenses.

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems"

I don't do studio work, but most of the lighting in studios that I've seen is manufactured by companies that focus on studio lighting, not Canon or Nikon.

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ"

I do a lot of bird photography, what I see in the field is a mix of both. In my view, both are about equal in terms of bodies and lenses at any given point in time.

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons"

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG"

Both Canon & Nikon have user-selectable styles for in-camera JPG processing, the photog can set saturation, contrast, sharpening, etc. to suit their needs.

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them"

As in point 6.

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon"

I haven't seen many old farts shift from Canon to Nikon, or vice versa for that matter. It really comes down to which system will best meet your needs. I've shot both and either is quite good. FWIW, I'm 65 and shoot with Canon.

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at least in North America.  All the rest are just diatribe.

It's true, that back in the late sixties, through the seventies, all the major brands of 'Japanese', SLR cameras, were considered about equal depending on the availability of certain lenses.  There was Pentax, Minolta, Canon, Konica, Olympus, Fujica, and Yashica to name most, but it was Nikon who was heralded as the cream of the crop by most everyone, so much so, that at entry level, you had the Nikkormat, not quite a 'Nikon' though integrated later on.   Nikon definitely had a premium price, "the professionals choice" with a line of 'professional' lenses and accessories that did prove this out. This would be challenged by Canon and Olympus and to a lesser degree, Minolta.

Therefore I think, the bias towards Nikon in the older crowd (50+), especially now that prices have pretty much leveled out across the board.

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ZedEm wrote:

This isn't quite another "Which one is better?" thread but more of a question period where I ask questions and where others answer based on their expertise and experience.

I am not a troll nor do I actually believe there is a difference between either that can make or break a photographer but I am intrigued as to why some people find differences between products that without creative input from a human being do nothing more than act as heavy and expensive paperweights.

I have been a Canon user since day one and in talking to people and reading forums, I have come across certain assertions others make about each brand. I am often left wondering how much truth there is to each statement so I am going to write down statements I have encountered in the last few years and I hope others can chime in to where such "facts" originated from and if there is any truth to them. Here it goes and don't ask me to source where I've heard or read each statement but I assure you, they are out there.

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better"

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems"

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ"

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons"

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG"

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them"

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon"

Ken Rockwell, has said that the difference is that Canon cams are designed by engineers whilst Nikon cams are designed by photographers. I am not entirely in agreement with that, but I do believe that to be the case with the Canon -v- Nikon flash systems; I think the Canon flash system has been a joke for ages (and even their new fancy pants radio signal wireless flash system leaves me scratching my head as to why they didn't include an AF assist lamp/laser on the trigger, or why they couldn't be bothered to make the new radio flash system integrate with the older flashes by way of stand alone triggers).

Although, a lot of folks love to abuse Ken Rockwell, I think you should go to his site to see a VERY good, certainly the best I can remember seeing, comparison between Canon and Nikon systems. He highlights stuff that many folks overlook when comparing between the two systems.

Speaking for myself, I absolutely hate Nikon ergonomics but love their flash system and I hate the Canon flash system but much prefer their ergonomics.

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ZedEm wrote:

This isn't quite another "Which one is better?" thread but more of a question period where I ask questions and where others answer based on their expertise and experience.

I am not a troll nor do I actually believe there is a difference between either that can make or break a photographer but I am intrigued as to why some people find differences between products that without creative input from a human being do nothing more than act as heavy and expensive paperweights.

I have been a Canon user since day one and in talking to people and reading forums, I have come across certain assertions others make about each brand. I am often left wondering how much truth there is to each statement so I am going to write down statements I have encountered in the last few years and I hope others can chime in to where such "facts" originated from and if there is any truth to them. Here it goes and don't ask me to source where I've heard or read each statement but I assure you, they are out there.

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

Each has some really good high-end lenses.

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better"

I am not sure about this, as I have mostly paid attention to the higher-end lenses, but this assertion is news to me.

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems"

I have not heard this before, regarding studios, and as other members have already indicated, studio strobes are the norm in studios. I do believe that Canon's first really good pro-level flash was the 580EX II, and before it arrived, Nikon flashguns were, indeed, clearly better. One the other hand, the Canon ST-E2 provides very useful AF assistance, unlike the SU-800, but then the new Canon ST-E3-RT does not help AF,  a major blunder, in my opinion, that makes the ST-E3-RT a poor buy, in my opinion, as it is so expensive, relative to a 600EX-RT.

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ"

Canon did take much of this market from Nikon, but the 1D Mark III camera's early AF problems prompted many to switch back to Nikon. Regarding the apparent proliferation of white lenses at sporting events, Nikon did make some number of very light grey lenses, and Minolta telephoto lenses were white, too. At today's sporting events, not all long lenses are white.

Personally, I have only one long white lens, for now. I am planning to do much bird and wildlife photography when I retire, and am waiting until I am sure whether my future top-tier DSLR purchase will be Canon or Nikon. At present, the D4 feels notably better in my hands than the 1D X, and sells for significantly smaller sum of USD.

Of the two local wildlife photographers I consider my mentors/advisors, one uses Canon, the other Nikon.

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons"

I am unaware of any properly-done polls to support this.

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG"

I think this may be due to one blogger's comments regarding the way Canon cameras apply noise reduction.

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them"

I know one blogger says this quite loudly, but others disagree with him. It is not difficult to adjust this, anyway. My Nikon A does not have a green tint in its JPEGs, nor does my wife's D7000. (Well, she claimed my A, so I reckon both are hers.)

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon"

This may well be true. I am unaware of any properly-done surveys or polls to suppport this, but among photographers who developed their brand loyalties before the EOS system was introduced in 1987 or so, Nikon may indeed be the more-preferred brand, by some margin. I seem to see some level of Nikon bias among older shooters, but the difference, if it actually exists, is slight.

For what is is worth, I shoot with both brands, though my Nikon SLRs are not digital. There is a D70s that is shared by the household, acquired pre-owned, that has never been one of my primary cameras. My earliest SLR experience was with my wife's agency-issued D300s, which was the same camera that converted her from being a long-time Olympus fan.

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ZedEm wrote:

This isn't quite another "Which one is better?" thread but more of a question period where I ask questions and where others answer based on their expertise and experience.

I am not a troll nor do I actually believe there is a difference between either that can make or break a photographer but I am intrigued as to why some people find differences between products that without creative input from a human being do nothing more than act as heavy and expensive paperweights.

I have been a Canon user since day one and in talking to people and reading forums, I have come across certain assertions others make about each brand. I am often left wondering how much truth there is to each statement so I am going to write down statements I have encountered in the last few years and I hope others can chime in to where such "facts" originated from and if there is any truth to them. Here it goes and don't ask me to source where I've heard or read each statement but I assure you, they are out there.

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better"

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems"

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ"

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons"

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG"

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them"

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon"

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I have no opinion on your items 1-7, but as for item 8, I switched from Canon to Nikon in the late 1970's (Canon FTb w/50 1.8). Since I didn't have a big investment in Canon gear at the time it was relatively painless. I've been using Nikon since. A very close friend who is my age stayed with Canon. I think that when Canon started using Andre Agassi to push the EOS Rebels (with the new lens mount) lots of young people started using Canon's. I don't recall a big advertising campaign from Nikon at that time.

Since I had no auto focusing lenses when I went to digital SLR's I could have gone either way, but the biggest thing for me was to be able to shoot like I did with my old SLR's, and Nikon ergo's fit that better than Canon, for me. Command dials that I don't have to reach for.

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Hugowolf wrote:

ZedEm wrote:

This isn't quite another "Which one is better?" thread but more of a question period where I ask questions and where others answer based on their expertise and experience.

I am not a troll nor do I actually believe there is a difference between either that can make or break a photographer but I am intrigued as to why some people find differences between products that without creative input from a human being do nothing more than act as heavy and expensive paperweights.

I have been a Canon user since day one and in talking to people and reading forums, I have come across certain assertions others make about each brand. I am often left wondering how much truth there is to each statement so I am going to write down statements I have encountered in the last few years and I hope others can chime in to where such "facts" originated from and if there is any truth to them. Here it goes and don't ask me to source where I've heard or read each statement but I assure you, they are out there.

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

There are some Nikon 'professional; lenses better or have no Canon equivalent, the 14-24mm f/2.8, for example.

Agreed, but thats about it. Canon will probably release one of those as good as their 24-70II and close that door as well.

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Having had mid-level DSLR's from both, I'd have to say all 8 questions are False.  You can cite exceptions on both sides of each question; but overall, I see no difference.

What you didn't ask might be more important.  I find Canon menus easier to navigate.  That might be personal; but whoever did the Nikon menus doesn't think like I do.  Other folks might find the opposite.

In general Canon makes it easy to take very good photos.  Nikon can also take very good photos; but they make you work harder to get there.

Canon has done a much better job of product planning since they bit the bullet, dropped the FD lens mount, and brought out the EOS system.  A lens that worked on the EOS 620 will work on the 6D.  Nikon's product planning improve significantly since the D200.

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Instead of trying your luck on forums, why not consult the genuine, bona fide ...experts... ? ...

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Hugowolf wrote:

ZedEm wrote:

This isn't quite another "Which one is better?" thread but more of a question period where I ask questions and where others answer based on their expertise and experience.

I am not a troll nor do I actually believe there is a difference between either that can make or break a photographer but I am intrigued as to why some people find differences between products that without creative input from a human being do nothing more than act as heavy and expensive paperweights.

I have been a Canon user since day one and in talking to people and reading forums, I have come across certain assertions others make about each brand. I am often left wondering how much truth there is to each statement so I am going to write down statements I have encountered in the last few years and I hope others can chime in to where such "facts" originated from and if there is any truth to them. Here it goes and don't ask me to source where I've heard or read each statement but I assure you, they are out there.

1) "Canon professional lenses are better"

There are some Nikon 'professional; lenses better or have no Canon equivalent, the 14-24mm f/2.8, for example.

2 "Nikon consumer lenses are better"

I don't no if I could go for that one either.

3) "Nikons are more often employed in the studio setting due to superior flash systems"

I don't know many studios that employ shoe moount type flash units on a regualr basis. I do think that the Nikon plash system is better than Canon's, but it wasn't always that way.

4) "Most sport/wildlife photographers use Canons becuase XYZ"

I think that this is generally true for sports, but I don't know about wildlife. Canon super telephoto lenses have been generally less expensive than Canon's.

5 "Most landscape photographers use Nikons"

Most professional landscape photographers I know work with larger format cameras; neither Canon not Nikon.

6) "Canons create 'disney' colors when shooting JPEG"

Whatever that means

7) "Nikon JPEGs have a green tint to them"

I wouldn't no about that either

8) "The older you are, the more likley it is you shoot with a Nikon"

In which country?

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Nikon makes cameras with better IQ, and Canon makes better lenses. Both statements true generally I think.

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Detail Man wrote:

Instead of trying your luck on forums, why not consult the genuine, bona fide ...experts... ? ...

Thanks for that link, that was funny!!!

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Both systems are used with excellent results at every level, from amateur to highly acclaimed pros.        The main differences among the two is that there are, well, differences.   Differences in handling, in methods, in operation, in component availability, etc etc.   Which means that for a particular user, with particular needs, one or the other system will provide a better match.   Which would make that system 'better' for that user, but not necessarily 'better' overall.

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Why those two marketing giants are the only options discussed should be the question.

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After 35+ years shooting film with various 4x5, 2-1/4, and 35mm cameras, I switched to DSLR digital. I chose Canon for several very personal reasons:

1. I liked Canon's ergonomics and menu layout better

2. Canon responded to my calls and emails better than Nikon when requesting information

3. I could easily get Canon product manuals, whereas Nikon seemed to always throw up roadblocks (must enter serial number / print capability disabled).

4. The poor response from Nikon to a friend and fellow photographer who had a service issue.

Bottom line: I have multiple Canon bodies and many Canon lenses and accessories and am happy with Canon. Again, a personal decision and my experience.

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Re: Nikon vs Canon; a few question
In reply to ZedEm, Jul 2, 2013

Every now and then, when I walk in Montmartre in Paris, I can observe a majority of Canon cameras in the hands of tourists. But the other day, I was walking up the Champs Élysées after a mechanical failure on the #1 metro line, and there Nikon definitely outnumbered Canon. From this highly scientific observation, I can add this comparison to your list  :

Canons are better at shooting Montmartre whereas Nikons are better at shooting the Champs Élysées

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