* Canon 70d * its here!

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I guess by the end of next year. The 70D will have a short lifespan. By the end of this year, Canon will have the 7D replacement with a 24+ mp sensor. That will used for the 80D also.

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...there are still people on here who blame their poor photographs on their cameras.

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I guess by the end of next year. The 70D will have a short lifespan. By the end of this year, Canon will have the 7D replacement with a 24+ mp sensor. That will used for the 80D also.

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Patience and remember.  Canon really does not have an option but to improve the resolution of their sensors.  The 800e has placed a lot of pressure on the 5D line and the 7100 has done that for the Canon APS-C line of cameras.

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Re: Now imagine how better her photos could have been were they better technically.
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Now imagine how better her photos could have been were they better technically.

I just looked at a few of her photos again and upon further thought:

I don't think so.

Why? I think (my thoughts, my opinions) that the raw, immediacy of the photographs would be destroyed. Look at Cartier-Bresson, many of his photos are blurry, extremely grainy and many times with light poles sticking out of people's heads... and still ... so many masterpieces.

I wish to achieve this "emotional content" (I'm not sure these are the correct words, English is not my first nor my second language).

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Patience and remember. Canon really does not have an option but to improve the resolution of their sensors. The 800e has placed a lot of pressure on the 5D line and the 7100 has done that for the Canon APS-C line of cameras.

I don't think so. In my part of the world, Canada's Wet Coast, according to my GAS dealer (gear acquisition syndrome) who sells both Canon 5DMk3 and D800, he sells 3 5DMk3 for every D800.

Please note that this is not a study, but an anecdotal fact. One store (one of the biggest in the area) and one sales guy. Mileage may vary in your part of the world.

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The specs are basically a 7D with 20mp and one less FPS, and some lesser amount of weather sealing.  Nice!  I wonder if Canon has finally gotten past whatever mental block they were having with the 18mp APS-C sensor.  This also begs the question, what could the 7DII possibly be so as not to intrude upon the 5D3 or 1DX?  20mp, 19pt AF, 10fps?

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Certainly you are entitled to your view, but I think the spec of the 70D says more likely 'no 7DII' than 'very high end 7DII'.

Really? So are you proposing Canon has waited 4 years to release the 7D mark II, and (it seems) gave it the same frame rate and focus system as the original 7D. And they called it the 70D.

In my opinion, the 70D specs do nothing to indicate there won't be a 7D mark II. I believe there will be a true 7D mark II, and it will need a higher frame rate than the 7D / 70D, and a more advanced focus system than the 7D / 70D. And it will undoubtedly have other features to differentiate it from the 70D, most likely better weather sealing, dual card slots, dual options for every control button, larger buffer, etc – just like the 7D had over the 60D.

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Patience and remember. Canon really does not have an option but to improve the resolution of their sensors. The 800e has placed a lot of pressure on the 5D line and the 7100 has done that for the Canon APS-C line of cameras.

I don't think so. In my part of the world, Canada's Wet Coast, according to my GAS dealer (gear acquisition syndrome) who sells both Canon 5DMk3 and D800, he sells 3 5DMk3 for every D800.

Please note that this is not a study, but an anecdotal fact. One store (one of the biggest in the area) and one sales guy. Mileage may vary in your part of the world.

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I don't have any data, but I suspect that is the case where I live.  There have always been lots and lots of Canon DSLRs.  That trend is likely to continue but as new photographers enter the market the competition is likely to pickup more users.  Right now the big box camera ads and in store displays don't seem to favor Canon.  New buyers often look at megapixels and kit costs.  Nikon looks a lot better.  I know some landscape photographers who have dumped their Canon gear and switched to the 800e.  I would guess those numbers are lost in insignificance but that will grow unless Canon moves forward.  We do know their will be a very large MP Canon full frame coming in the next year or so.  There have been enough leaks from the paid Canon photographers so we can be sure that will happen.

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The specs are basically a 7D with 20mp and one less FPS, and some lesser amount of weather sealing. Nice! I wonder if Canon has finally gotten past whatever mental block they were having with the 18mp APS-C sensor. This also begs the question, what could the 7DII possibly be so as not to intrude upon the 5D3 or 1DX? 20mp, 19pt AF, 10fps?

The 7D mark II will have a smaller sensor. For those that can afford the glass, a crop sensor will never match the low light capability of a full frame.

The 7D frame rate and focus system clearly beat the the non-pro full frame of the time - 5D mark II. Why therefore can't the 7D mark II frame rate and focus system can't be similar to or exceed the 5D mark III? They did it before, and sold lots of cameras. I don't see what has changed.

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All of your arguments below seem to hinge on the belief that simply replacing the 7D with a new camera that at best is similarly featured will fill that market need for the next n years until their next set of models is introduced.  Did it occur to you that much as the 60D user base (or those interested in that class of camera in general) wants and expect a step up for a similar or lower price point, those who prefer a higher end, premium crop camera might also expect a step up... particularly after nearly 4 years?  Time marches on and the competitive environment demands innovation in ALL market segments.

You seem to want to assume that the potential improvements that could be made to the 7D (better sensor, improved IQ and ISO performance, more accurate and intuitive AF subsystem... and so on) do not have sufficient market demand to warrant an upgrade.  Yet, how is it that you feel the 6D could fulfill that need in any way, shape, or form?  It can't.  And, the 70D is no upgrade for current 7D users.  So you seem to be suggesting that the premium crop segment is dead.  Umm... sorry bud, but I can't accept that and see absolutely no evidence that this is the case.

Canon saw the need for a highly featured, high end crop camera when it introduced the 7D.  At the time, it was a breakthrough camera and even after nearly 4 years, there aren't many alternatives out there that are competitive.  Near as I can tell, the camera has been pretty successful for them.  I see no reason why Canon would all of a sudden see this segment as not lucrative enough to pursue further and refresh.  In fact, introducing a 70D with the features it has is EXACTLY what I would have expected Canon to do, and IMHO, in no way does it suggest a major shift in Canon's positioning or direction for their crop line.

I'm sure you'll disagree... time will tell.

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I doubt that 'everyone knows' that. I think a good few people will decide that the 70D is good enough for them and go for it. Similarly, quite a few who might have spend their money on a 7D MkII will have been tempted by a 6D. The question is, whether those sicking out for a 7D Mk II and nothing else are numerous enough to pay what will be a big R&D bill.

Rather than debate all the points with you, I'll focus on this one. Do you seriously believe that the 6D is a legitimate "upgrade" for a decent number of people who own a 7D now and who might be focused on capabilities that go beyond FF? Seriously? The 6D is an entry level FF camera with an entry level focus subsystem, entry level frame rate, and a host of other features missing from the much older 7D. I won't speak for others, but if I had a hankering to get into FF (which is highly questionable at this point), it would be the 5DMk3 I'd be going for, certainly not the 6D. I am unwilling to give up on the higher end capabilities of the 7D simply to gain access to the world of FF, at least for my needs. I won't even get into the issue of reach, lens replacement, etc. etc.

That is not the point. The word 'legitimate' is completely mis-chosen. Canon is allowed to configure their product range any way it likes, and it will do it so as to appeal to as wide a range of customers with as few models as possible. Mostly people are buying one camera, and they look to what makes the best overall match to their needs and desires. So, in a sense what Canon is doing is saying 'if someone has $2k to spend on a camera, what is most likely to make them spend it with Canon' and it looks like their answer was the 6D. Now they need to take care of those that want reach and high frame rates, and low and behold we see the 70D gain 1.7FPS and an action orientated AF system. So now they have two bases covered. That is obviously about expanding the market of the 70D, and the only market it is taking from is that of the 7D.

So, taking the position that Canon probably won't replace the 7D with another crop camera and will rely on its entry level FF camera as a "step up" is ... well ... patently absurd IMHO.

No, it is simply looking at it from the point of view of how a manufacturer would maximise profits rather than what an individual photographer believes that they 'need'.

Many serious photographers who are into birding, sports, and other forms of action photography not only require the more sophisticated features of the 7D but value the additional reach.

Which of the 'more sophisticated' features of the 7D will they not get from the 70D, apart from losing 1FPS.

I can't see Canon walking away from that market or trying to position the 70D as the replacement camera for those photographers. As nice as the 70D appears to be (IMHO), it's not really much of a step up (if at all) from the 7D and unless I were looking for a second camera, it's definitely not for me... nor is the 6D.

It isn't a 'step up'. Why would Canon be offering you a 'step up'? What they are interested in is maximising profit, and if one model will cover most of the area that two used to, then they can. With the 6D and 70D in the line, the number of buyers for a 7DII is considerably reduced from what it was when the 7D was announced,

BTW, the pattern you're seeing here, which is to borrow capabilities (better AF subsystem, higher MP/new sensor) from a higher end camera and introduce it first in a lower end model is something we've seen a number of times from Canon. There have been a number of times well prior to the introduction of the 7D where a new sensor first appeared in a Rebel model,

temporarily making the latest xxD inferior, at least in that respect.

Which times would that be? Only time is the 12.5MP sensor which only ever appeared in Rebels. 8MP, 10MP, 15MP and 18MP all saw first light of day in the top end APS-C model. So far as AF and other systems are concerned it has only ever been trickle down, never ever trickle up.

So, I view what Canon is doing with the 70D as a good preview of what they could decide to do with the 7DMk2 and portends well for a possibly very nice upgrade coming down the pike. Call me an optimist, but that's the way I see it, anyway.

Certainly you are entitled to your view, but I think the spec of the 70D says more likely 'no 7DII' than 'very high end 7DII'.

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The specs are basically a 7D with 20mp and one less FPS, and some lesser amount of weather sealing. Nice! I wonder if Canon has finally gotten past whatever mental block they were having with the 18mp APS-C sensor. This also begs the question, what could the 7DII possibly be so as not to intrude upon the 5D3 or 1DX? 20mp, 19pt AF, 10fps?

The 7D mark II will have a smaller sensor. For those that can afford the glass, a crop sensor will never match the low light capability of a full frame.

The 7D frame rate and focus system clearly beat the the non-pro full frame of the time - 5D mark II. Why therefore can't the 7D mark II frame rate and focus system can't be similar to or exceed the 5D mark III? They did it before, and sold lots of cameras. I don't see what has changed.

I suppose the 7D could be given the 61pt AF system from the 5D3, and 10fps.  In that case the 7D would almost take the place of the 1D4.  Maybe a more reasonable guess is a 45pt AF system.

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If Canon manages to differentiate a 6D and a 7DII enough I can image both existing at the same price point: 6D for landscapers and wide angles, 7DII for action and "reach". Built, AF, frame rate have to top the 70D. Maybe it has an integrated grip. The question is if there are enough people who are interested in a mini 1Dx. I think so. The next question is if Canon sees this. Again I think so.

I don't, really. The number of new sales (this is people who would buy that and not buy a 70D or 6D) would have to be enough to pay for the R&D costs of a completely new model, which would not be low. Consider, Canon has an APS-C mech which supports 8FPS, presumably they use this mech in the 70D. To go faster it is likely they will need a completely new mech, since the mechanical forces rise exponentially as FPS rises. Then they don't have an APS-C AF system better than the 19 point one, so they would need to develop that (the 1D X system is too large for the APS-C frame) - all in all a completely new camera for low sales. Can't see it being economic. Could be wrong, but I don't think that I am.

Then consider this, the 70D introduces the 20MP sensor. The 18MP sensor was introduced in the 7D, which appeared some time before the 60D. Why is not the 7D Mk II being introduced first? The best way to phase this introduction, if they are doing two, is to release the high end model first as they did the last time, then it has added sales from the new model halo effect and has the market to itself. The risk of doing it the other way is that unless the spec is very high, unfavourable comparisons will be made about the VFM of the new one.

The 7D was released first because it had the new sensor which would later be included in the 60D but the new model needed to be established first. That isn't the case this time. Everyone knows that Canon now has a high-end APS-C line and they'll be willing to wait for its update.

I doubt that 'everyone knows' that. I think a good few people will decide that the 70D is good enough for them and go for it. Similarly, quite a few who might have spend their money on a 7D MkII will have been tempted by a 6D. The question is, whether those sicking out for a 7D Mk II and nothing else are numerous enough to pay what will be a big R&D bill.

Yes, people shopping for a DSLR who have looked into Canon APS-C bodies ALL know.  The 7D has become legendary.  I'd suspect that's why people are so butt hurt that Nikon hit the market with their next gen before Canon did:  Canon has been leading so long now people are more impatient than they have any right to be.  The 6D is a great low-end full frame and the 7D is a great high-end APS-C, so many will be tempted who want full frame but can't afford the high end features.  That's probably not a huge number.

Also, if the 7DII also differentiates itself by having a 24 or higher MP sensor it will truly be in a class of its own.

Especially if it has a new sensor which won't be used for anything else. This isn't what Canon has ever done before. What they have done before is release the new sensor in the top APS-C model (xxD or more lately 7D) and then trickle it down to lower models. So, 8MP sensor was first in 20D then 350D. 10MP sensor first in the 40D then in 400D and 1000D. 15MP sensor first in 50D then in 500D. 18MP sensor first in 7D, then 60D then 600D. Only exception is the 12MP sensor which only ever appeared in Rebels.

The 7D was never done before it was done.  The 6D is a brand new full frame sensor just used in the 6D.  The G1 X sensor is a brand new sensor just used in the G1 X.  Sorry, but Canon has been doing some interesting market diversification over the last four years and especially the last year or so with those bodies, the SL1, and the M.

Canon knows they need to get the 70D out and if the R&D for the 7DII is behind schedule then they'll do what they have to do despite it being less than optimal. They've done it before and they'll do it again. They may have gotten a bunch of upgraders with the 7D, but they also had to wait longer for the 60D to get the Rebel upgraders and the XXD upgraders that weren't up for spending a few hundred extra for a 7D. I'd bet there were equally compelling argument for either release schedule and the net difference between the two was about zero.

I don't think that is what happened at all. I think that the 7D was the 60D, then Canon re-used the 60D name to start a new line of camera somewhat below the old xxD line. Now I think they are re-unifying. xD means FF from now on.

No, the 7D had much higher end features, some of which had never been put in any cameras, on board.  The 60D we expect was not to be, instead it was a lower end XXD AND a high end body in the form of the 7D.  You think XD is now FF and the 7D will be abandoned?  I'd put a hundred bucks on that and even give you odds.

Canon knows how to make very high frame rate shutters with very highly rated lifespans.

Well no, they buy them in from specialist shutter manufacturers, like everyone else.

And yet Canon always leads the pack.  Wherever they get them, they get the good ones.

They put the new stuff into the high end bodies and as costs come done it hits lower and lower on the food chain.

No, they don't - not with shutters and mirror boxes. Canon very rarely designs those new, and they very rarely feed it down the food chain. It would make the product unreasonably expensive to put a shutter specified better than needed.

Very rarely?  I guess that's why the 7D was invented.  They finally started putting 100k rated shutters in APS-C bodies.  It isn't better than needed and they charged for the privilege.  I didn't say they were giving things away for free.  Oh, and don't forget the 1D X.  Rare or not, they know how to do it.

I don't think there is any reason to doubt Canon's ability to strategize as appropriate to the technology they have developed or are currently developing.

Indeed, an my bet is that they are 'strategising' to stay with a four model APS-C range, but differently configured. They have already moved a new model in with the 100D. With FF moving down in price that space gets crowded, I can't see them moving to a five model range, makes it even more crowded. I think they are doing what they have always done, introducing new sensors at the top of the DX line and will move them down, putting them in the existing mechs to refresh all the APS-C models over the next two years.

Moving down and now their low end FF segment is filled well above the price of the 7D was originally....and the 6D is lower spec'd in many key regions.  I'd bet on a 7DII with the high end features and a new sensor for the same sticker as the last was.  Crowded is only crowded if they aren't flying off the shelves, my friend.  The SL1 and M compete in the ILC market, the Rebel stays  put, the 70D keeps its standing, and the 7D fills in the gap between a $1,200 C and the $2,100 FF....how is that crowded?  It's in the same spot in the C line and will out spec the 6D in all but FF sensor.  There is no other gap in their lines that is $900 wide and why would that change?  The 70D, if these specs are right, is going to be a 7D in most respects with a slightly higher res sensor and lesser build quality.  The 7DII is primed to kill in the high end APS-C field.

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Canon knows how to make very high frame rate shutters with very highly rated lifespans.

Well no, they buy them in from specialist shutter manufacturers, like everyone else.

Are you sure about that Bob?

Not 100% - but the production figures for Nidec Copal and Sieko Epson are not entirely explicable if one of them is not supplying Canon. There are only so many FF cameras made. Still, if you have hard evidence the other way, I'd be interested to see it.

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Even if they make their shutters, that doesn't mean they design them.  Either way, if others don't use the same shutter the point is moot.

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EXACTLY !

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Looks like a severe case of sensor&MP fetishism.

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The specs are basically a 7D with 20mp and one less FPS, and some lesser amount of weather sealing. Nice! I wonder if Canon has finally gotten past whatever mental block they were having with the 18mp APS-C sensor. This also begs the question, what could the 7DII possibly be so as not to intrude upon the 5D3 or 1DX? 20mp, 19pt AF, 10fps?

What mental block did Nikon have with their 16MP sensor that came out after the Canon 18MP and was only upgraded a few months ago?  They've been working on the technology the whole time, and despite on-sensor PDAF not being amazing since they released it, it looks like with the new EOS-M firmware and possibly the 70D they've got it working very well.

An APS-C won't intrude on full frame.  The 7DII might have the same sensor as the 70D, but maybe not.

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I agree Jerry.  As a 7D owner I am considering adding the 6D to my bag but in no way would I see it as a replacement for my 7D as they are two very different cameras.  There's also a lot of room between 19 and 61 points for Canon to develop a tweener AF system that would provide differentiation between the models and classes.  I could even see the 7D2 with the 5D3 AF and 10 FPS, similar weather sealing and the 70D sensor.  IMO Canon would have no trouble selling them to the amateur wildlife and birder crowd waiting to upgrade and who either can't or won't spend the money on the big heavy glass required to shoot FF.

FF is becoming more and more a non-issue for the weekenders that shoot FL limited due to the high price of the new big white tele's.  I for one can't rationalize the expenditure for a 500f4LIS for a hobby when I can shoot with the 7D and 400f5.6L and still have more pixels on the subject.  Carrying the 500 on an airplane as I'd have to do 2 or 3 times a year creates even another concern.  The 400 fits in easily in my FAA legal carryon case along with all the rest of my kit.

It does concern me though that the 7D is now almost 4 years old and the D300S is I believe even older.  I do wonder why both companies have waited so long to upgrade these cameras.

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All of your arguments below seem to hinge on the belief that simply replacing the 7D with a new camera that at best is similarly featured will fill that market need for the next n years until their next set of models is introduced. Did it occur to you that much as the 60D user base (or those interested in that class of camera in general) wants and expect a step up for a similar or lower price point, those who prefer a higher end, premium crop camera might also expect a step up... particularly after nearly 4 years? Time marches on and the competitive environment demands innovation in ALL market segments.

You seem to want to assume that the potential improvements that could be made to the 7D (better sensor, improved IQ and ISO performance, more accurate and intuitive AF subsystem... and so on) do not have sufficient market demand to warrant an upgrade. Yet, how is it that you feel the 6D could fulfill that need in any way, shape, or form? It can't. And, the 70D is no upgrade for current 7D users. So you seem to be suggesting that the premium crop segment is dead. Umm... sorry bud, but I can't accept that and see absolutely no evidence that this is the case.

Canon saw the need for a highly featured, high end crop camera when it introduced the 7D. At the time, it was a breakthrough camera and even after nearly 4 years, there aren't many alternatives out there that are competitive. Near as I can tell, the camera has been pretty successful for them. I see no reason why Canon would all of a sudden see this segment as not lucrative enough to pursue further and refresh. In fact, introducing a 70D with the features it has is EXACTLY what I would have expected Canon to do, and IMHO, in no way does it suggest a major shift in Canon's positioning or direction for their crop line.

I'm sure you'll disagree... time will tell.

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I doubt that 'everyone knows' that. I think a good few people will decide that the 70D is good enough for them and go for it. Similarly, quite a few who might have spend their money on a 7D MkII will have been tempted by a 6D. The question is, whether those sicking out for a 7D Mk II and nothing else are numerous enough to pay what will be a big R&D bill.

Rather than debate all the points with you, I'll focus on this one. Do you seriously believe that the 6D is a legitimate "upgrade" for a decent number of people who own a 7D now and who might be focused on capabilities that go beyond FF? Seriously? The 6D is an entry level FF camera with an entry level focus subsystem, entry level frame rate, and a host of other features missing from the much older 7D. I won't speak for others, but if I had a hankering to get into FF (which is highly questionable at this point), it would be the 5DMk3 I'd be going for, certainly not the 6D. I am unwilling to give up on the higher end capabilities of the 7D simply to gain access to the world of FF, at least for my needs. I won't even get into the issue of reach, lens replacement, etc. etc.

That is not the point. The word 'legitimate' is completely mis-chosen. Canon is allowed to configure their product range any way it likes, and it will do it so as to appeal to as wide a range of customers with as few models as possible. Mostly people are buying one camera, and they look to what makes the best overall match to their needs and desires. So, in a sense what Canon is doing is saying 'if someone has $2k to spend on a camera, what is most likely to make them spend it with Canon' and it looks like their answer was the 6D. Now they need to take care of those that want reach and high frame rates, and low and behold we see the 70D gain 1.7FPS and an action orientated AF system. So now they have two bases covered. That is obviously about expanding the market of the 70D, and the only market it is taking from is that of the 7D.

So, taking the position that Canon probably won't replace the 7D with another crop camera and will rely on its entry level FF camera as a "step up" is ... well ... patently absurd IMHO.

No, it is simply looking at it from the point of view of how a manufacturer would maximise profits rather than what an individual photographer believes that they 'need'.

Many serious photographers who are into birding, sports, and other forms of action photography not only require the more sophisticated features of the 7D but value the additional reach.

Which of the 'more sophisticated' features of the 7D will they not get from the 70D, apart from losing 1FPS.

I can't see Canon walking away from that market or trying to position the 70D as the replacement camera for those photographers. As nice as the 70D appears to be (IMHO), it's not really much of a step up (if at all) from the 7D and unless I were looking for a second camera, it's definitely not for me... nor is the 6D.

It isn't a 'step up'. Why would Canon be offering you a 'step up'? What they are interested in is maximising profit, and if one model will cover most of the area that two used to, then they can. With the 6D and 70D in the line, the number of buyers for a 7DII is considerably reduced from what it was when the 7D was announced,

BTW, the pattern you're seeing here, which is to borrow capabilities (better AF subsystem, higher MP/new sensor) from a higher end camera and introduce it first in a lower end model is something we've seen a number of times from Canon. There have been a number of times well prior to the introduction of the 7D where a new sensor first appeared in a Rebel model,

temporarily making the latest xxD inferior, at least in that respect.

Which times would that be? Only time is the 12.5MP sensor which only ever appeared in Rebels. 8MP, 10MP, 15MP and 18MP all saw first light of day in the top end APS-C model. So far as AF and other systems are concerned it has only ever been trickle down, never ever trickle up.

So, I view what Canon is doing with the 70D as a good preview of what they could decide to do with the 7DMk2 and portends well for a possibly very nice upgrade coming down the pike. Call me an optimist, but that's the way I see it, anyway.

Certainly you are entitled to your view, but I think the spec of the 70D says more likely 'no 7DII' than 'very high end 7DII'.

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007peter wrote: Do not underestimate Canon's WIFI. It has many hidden abilities not available n other camera.  Canon's WIFI is unique in that:

  • WIFI work even without a router, directly connect your cellphone to your camera
  • Ability to Remote Shooting, Remote Control your camera in the field is huge
  • It can also Stream-LIVE-VIEW directly to your phone from far away.

Does this mean we can monitor our images in LV on an iPad and trigger from it? If we can monitor video on the iPad that would be huge!

Yup! AFAIK to be true, you can indeed monitor your LV image right from the IPAD like the photo above.  Watch the Digitalrev video link, Kai was able to stream LV video right onto his iphone then take a shot....in the field, without a router nearby.  That is huge!

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skanter wrote:

WilbaW wrote:

skanter wrote:

Let the whining begin!

Did/does it ever stop?

I was referring to the whining and complaining about the 70D, a camera that has not yet been released!

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I think it bests the Nikon only in FPS. Anything else? I'm a Nikon shooter, but a big Canon fan, too. I'm getting a little worried they just can't keep up technologically.

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