What prevents you from moving to a mirrorless camera?

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In reply to Glen Barrington, Jun 28, 2013

The results of this poll clearly indicates the shortcomings of EVIL cameras: slow autofocus and viewfinder issues be it lack of a real viewfinder or refresh rates on framing photographs properly, e.g. panning/action.  Olympus, Sony, and Panasonic should take note if they want to survive!

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Maybe you should do a poll. . .
In reply to Just Having Fun, Jun 28, 2013

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I listed the reasons I remembered reading about....

...and didn't consider there might others or even some people might have "no reason".

Clearly someone as brilliant as you would do a crackerjack job.

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RedFox88 wrote:

The results of this poll clearly indicates the shortcomings of EVIL cameras: slow autofocus and viewfinder issues be it lack of a real viewfinder or refresh rates on framing photographs properly, e.g. panning/action. Olympus, Sony, and Panasonic should take note if they want to survive!

Yeah. Because listening to a heap of people with none/limited experience of their products is a great way to determine fact.

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Re: What prevents you from moving to a mirrorless camera?
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Yeah. Because listening to a heap of people with none/limited experience of their products is a great way to determine fact.

So you disagree with the fact that focusing of EVIL cameras are slower than SLR cameras and that framing photos through the rear LCD or an EVF is more difficult because of the refresh rate and that LCD screen have compared to OVF that works at the speed of light?

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Re: Maybe you should do a poll. . .
In reply to Glen Barrington, Jun 29, 2013

Glen Barrington wrote:

Just Having Fun wrote:

Glen Barrington wrote:

I listed the reasons I remembered reading about....

...and didn't consider there might others or even some people might have "no reason".

Clearly someone as brilliant as you would do a crackerjack job.

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Re: What prevents you from moving to a mirrorless camera?
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I think he disagrees with the fact that focusing on most mirrorless cameras isn't fast enough, and that updating an image at the 'speed of light' is necessary in spite of our many-orders-of-magnitude-slower nervous system (case in point, how nobody ever speaks of mirror delay even though it's on the same order of magnitude as an LCD's refresh rate).

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Re: What prevents you from moving to a mirrorless camera?
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RedFox88 wrote:

Mjankor wrote:

Yeah. Because listening to a heap of people with none/limited experience of their products is a great way to determine fact.

So you disagree with the fact that focusing of EVIL cameras are slower than SLR cameras and that framing photos through the rear LCD or an EVF is more difficult because of the refresh rate andthat LCD screen have compared to OVF that works at the speed of light?

In both cases, it depends on the cameras and situations being compared.

If you're trying to focus in low light, or with manual focus, etc, then EVF may be better and easier. If you're trying to chase a fast moving object through a long lens, then OVF may be better (though I think there's a better solution than EVF/OVF for that).

As for focus speed. Yeah, I'd put the OM-D up against most DSLR's for S-AF.

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Mjankor wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

Mjankor wrote:

Yeah. Because listening to a heap of people with none/limited experience of their products is a great way to determine fact.

So you disagree with the fact that focusing of EVIL cameras are slower than SLR cameras and that framing photos through the rear LCD or an EVF is more difficult because of the refresh rate andthat LCD screen have compared to OVF that works at the speed of light?

In both cases, it depends on the cameras and situations being compared.

If you're trying to focus in low light, or with manual focus, etc, then EVF may be better and easier. If you're trying to chase a fast moving object through a long lens, then OVF may be better (though I think there's a better solution than EVF/OVF for that).

As for focus speed. Yeah, I'd put the OM-D up against most DSLR's for S-AF.

Agreed.

Then there's that size thing. Canon has made a valiant attempt at producing a DSLR that can compete with mirrorless on size and weight with its SL1 (100D). While it appears to compare favorably when viewed from the front... http://j.mp/14g6oVz

...view it from the top with a standard zoom and it points out the unchangeable DSLR downsides of fat bodies and oversized lenses: http://j.mp/14g6D2S

The E-M5 is currently the most complete expression of mirrorless advantages:

  • small, light, rugged weathersealed alloy body
  • a comprehensive system of equally small and light high quality lenses
  • Excellent EVF with virtually instant refresh that can show all settings, a histogram and a level or simply a grid at your option
  • 9 fps shooting capability
  • 5-axis IBIS, the benchmark for all IBIS systems
  • always spot-on accurate and fast CDAF
  • tilt and touch 3" OLED screen
  • 14x image magnification in the EVF or OLED screen for fine focusing distant and macro subjects
  • excellent low-light IQ
  • dual control wheels

Once mirrorless improves focus tracking (only a matter of time, hopefully in the OM-D II this fall) to solve the one remaining downside, there will be no rational reason left for lugging about oversized DSLR bodies and lenses, only resistance to change by people who haven't even tried the cameras, an ever diminishing audience.

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sderdiarian wrote:

Mjankor wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

Mjankor wrote:

Yeah. Because listening to a heap of people with none/limited experience of their products is a great way to determine fact.

So you disagree with the fact that focusing of EVIL cameras are slower than SLR cameras and that framing photos through the rear LCD or an EVF is more difficult because of the refresh rate andthat LCD screen have compared to OVF that works at the speed of light?

In both cases, it depends on the cameras and situations being compared.

If you're trying to focus in low light, or with manual focus, etc, then EVF may be better and easier. If you're trying to chase a fast moving object through a long lens, then OVF may be better (though I think there's a better solution than EVF/OVF for that).

As for focus speed. Yeah, I'd put the OM-D up against most DSLR's for S-AF.Agreed.

Agreed.

Then there's that size thing. Canon has made a valiant attempt at producing a DSLR that can compete with mirrorless on size and weight with its SL1 (100D). While it appears to compare favorably when viewed from the front... http://j.mp/14g6oVz

...view it from the top with a standard zoom and it points out the unchangeable DSLR downsides of fat bodies and oversized lenses: http://j.mp/14g6D2S

The E-M5 is currently the most complete expression of mirrorless advantages:

  • small, light, rugged weathersealed alloy body
  • a comprehensive system of equally small and light high quality lenses
  • Excellent EVF with virtually instant refresh that can show all settings, a histogram and a level or simply a grid at your option
  • 9 fps shooting capability
  • 5-axis IBIS, the benchmark for all IBIS systems
  • always spot-on accurate and fast CDAF
  • tilt and touch 3" OLED screen
  • 14x image magnification in the EVF or OLED screen for fine focusing distant and macro subjects
  • excellent low-light IQ
  • dual control wheels

Once mirrorless improves focus tracking (only a matter of time, hopefully in the OM-D II this fall) there will be no rational reason left for lugging about oversized DSLR bodies and lenses.  Only resistance to change by people who likely haven't even tried the cameras, an ever diminishing audience.

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First tried to edit my first post above so it was clear what was new and what was quoted, but the edit option wouldn't come up, so I then tried to withdraw and re-post, but it wouldn't allow me to withdraw it since I was the original author!  Time to call in the mechanic again, DPR .

Apologies for the duplication.

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Re: What prevents you from moving to a mirrorless camera?
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sderdiarian wrote:

Once mirrorless improves focus tracking (only a matter of time, hopefully in the OM-D II this fall) there will be no rational reason left for lugging about oversized DSLR bodies and lenses. Only resistance to change by people who likely haven't even tried the cameras, an ever diminishing audience.

Oh please.

Believe it or not, some people actually LIKE a larger camera. just because you don't does not mean that those that do are wrong, or, as you state ' resistance to change by people who likely haven't even tried the cameras'

Buy/use the camera YOU like and find convenient/fun to use, but please, allows others to do the same.

Personally, I own 3 FF DSLRs.  I also own 2 mirrorless cameras.  A Panasonic GX1 and an NEX-6.  I use all my cameras pretty much equally.  I grab a particular camera based on what it is I intend to be shooting.

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Mjankor wrote:

 for S-AF.

Just what is that?  Please write out your words instead of abbreviation that are not standard.

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RedFox88 wrote:

Mjankor wrote:

for S-AF.

Just what is that? Please write out your words instead of abbreviation that are not standard.

S-AF stands for Single Auto Focus. It is where the camera focuses on an area one time and doesn't then try to change focus. When acquiring quick focus and taking a picture in a split second, you don't want a camera that is as accurate as these trying to re-focus.

DPR has repeatedly said comments like these about the latest mirrorless cameras...

Single AF acquisition is impressively fast - using most Micro Four Thirds lenses will result in some of the fastest focus on any system.

Of course you already know that the CDAF focusing used by these cameras is also the most accurate from the DPR article/report...

1. Phase-detection autofocus (even using still targets and center-point only) wasn’t nearly as accurate as contrast detection.

2. The contrast-detection autofocus was about as accurate as the most careful manual focusing.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/08/01/Roger-Cicala-Lensrentals-Canon-Autofocus-marketing-claims

So there you go.

- some of the fastest focus on any system.

- the MOST accurate focusing

Who wouldn't want that??

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Two things.

There are full frame mirrorless. I'm assuming by which you mean 35mm. RX1, Lecia.

You forgot the "nothing I have a mirrorless camera and it rocks my socks" and "nothing is stopping me except money" options.

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And haven't looked back.

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Could you be a little more specific?

Quality of what?  Images?  Camera build?  Lenses?

I own micro43, NEX and FF DSLRs.  I think all are good quality.

I do have nits to pick with Sony regarding the 'quality' of their firmware, but build quality is excellent.  As is image quality of both NEX and micro43, and both systems have some stellar lenses (and some less so too).

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Re: Not missing at all, in my opinion.
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Glen Barrington wrote:

Everyone is going on about how people aren't buying mirrorless cameras in the amounts that the industry expected them to, and how they seem to be more popular in Asia than in Europe and North America I wanted some clue as to why. Getting information from people who HAVE purchased a mirrorless camera didn't seem pertinent to the question.

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This video pretty much explains why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmWGmnnXz0c

Most people don't even know quality mirrorless camera's exist.

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