DP1 Merrill showing up in the new Ricoh GR review comparison tool

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DP1 Merrill showing up in the new Ricoh GR review comparison tool
Jun 20, 2013

It is nice to see the DP1 Merrill showing up in the comparison tool.

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brittonx wrote:

It is nice to see the DP1 Merrill showing up in the comparison tool.

Yes, but they managed to really blur the photos from the DP1M.

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brittonx wrote:

It is nice to see the DP1 Merrill showing up in the comparison tool.

Yes, but they managed to really blur the photos from the DP1M.

Not sure where you are looking, in many areas, the DP1M is much sharper than the others, at least at the lower ISOs.  Even the JPEG DP1M images are good.

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Look at raw and put the merrill to iso 200 - miles ahead!!!!!

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What's really interesting is when you move the "marquis" tool over the engraved currency you see really intense moire effects around the really close gravure lines on all the images EXCEPT the DP1M.

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Yes, truly out-standing.

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I posted a comment on that article asking whether DPReview would ever review any of the Sigma DP cameras (http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/6/20/just-posted-ricoh-gr-review-compared-to-nikon-coolpix-a?comment=2621310990).

Richard Butler's reply: "And it's unlikely we will, to be honest.

I will be writing about my experiences of using it and discussing the advantages and disadvantages of it, compared to the Ricoh and Nikon."

Later on: "We would like to review everything and would like to be able to cover the DP series in more depth, but there are always too many cameras. That's exactly why I'm hoping to write an article about the DP1 Merrill."

Sad, really. While there are (too) many cameras released all the time, there are very few significant cameras released.

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Scott Greiff wrote:

I posted a comment on that article asking whether DPReview would ever review any of the Sigma DP cameras (http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/6/20/just-posted-ricoh-gr-review-compared-to-nikon-coolpix-a?comment=2621310990).

Richard Butler's reply: "And it's unlikely we will, to be honest.

I will be writing about my experiences of using it and discussing the advantages and disadvantages of it, compared to the Ricoh and Nikon."

Later on: "We would like to review everything and would like to be able to cover the DP series in more depth, but there are always too many cameras. That's exactly why I'm hoping to write an article about the DP1 Merrill."

Sad, really. While there are (too) many cameras released all the time, there are very few significant cameras released.

It's really odd.  It just makes no sense to review every minor camera update under the sun and ignore a whole system that is really unique.

Even when they don't like some aspects of a system it's really helpful to have things like reference shots taken the same way as other cameras.

I guess at this point there are enough reviews around of the DP cameras that it kind of doesn't matter, but I do feel like it has to impact sales to some degree to have no reviews on DPReview.

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The usual excuse is that Sigma's sales volume is so low that only 20 people in the forum are interested and it wouldn't justify the effort.  But I can hardly see Ricoh being a volume seller either.

It is frustrating when you have a technology that is so different from everything else and deserves some serious coverage simply because it is a different approach.

One of the problems might be that DPReview prefer not to review cameras that will score poorly on their standard criteria.  Only Sigma can remedy that by giving some attention to the operational characteristics.

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DMillier wrote:

The usual excuse is that Sigma's sales volume is so low that only 20 people in the forum are interested and it wouldn't justify the effort. But I can hardly see Ricoh being a volume seller either.

It is frustrating when you have a technology that is so different from everything else and deserves some serious coverage simply because it is a different approach.

One of the problems might be that DPReview prefer not to review cameras that will score poorly on their standard criteria. Only Sigma can remedy that by giving some attention to the operational characteristics.

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Actually, your explanation makes the most sense. dpreview probably doesn't want to offend Sigma by giving a "not recommended" to any of their products. And except for IQ, all Sigma bodies have very poor usability in comparison to all other camera manufactures, especially the Merrills with their 10-15 second processing times per image.

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DMillier wrote:

The usual excuse is that Sigma's sales volume is so low that only 20 people in the forum are interested and it wouldn't justify the effort. But I can hardly see Ricoh being a volume seller either.

It is frustrating when you have a technology that is so different from everything else and deserves some serious coverage simply because it is a different approach.

One of the problems might be that DPReview prefer not to review cameras that will score poorly on their standard criteria. Only Sigma can remedy that by giving some attention to the operational characteristics.

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Actually, your explanation makes the most sense. dpreview probably doesn't want to offend Sigma by giving a "not recommended" to any of their products. And except for IQ, all Sigma bodies have very poor usability in comparison to all other camera manufactures, especially the Merrills with their 10-15 second processing times per image.

It's eight if you use fast SD cards, from pressing the shutter to review.

Processing is actually a very small amount of the time if you pay attention to the phases of image writing the light indicates.

But, it's hard to believe a camera could get a "not recommended" over something like write time alone.   Basically the reviews in the past have been I thought roughly fair and informative.

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DMillier wrote:

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One of the problems might be that DPReview prefer not to review cameras that will score poorly on their standard criteria. Only Sigma can remedy that by giving some attention to the operational characteristics.

"Please note that because of its unconventional sensor and feature set the SD1 is a difficult camera to score, and in some respects fits awkwardly alongside its peers when their scores are compared. As such (and as always) for a complete picture of how the SD1 performs, we encourage you to read this review in its entirety."

That is the text at the end of the SD-1 review. The DP-M cameras have substantially better handling and other aspects than the SD-1 (better LCD, faster write times, more immediate adjustment of controls).

Not to mention that the DP cameras focus speed and accuracy is now on par with most other contrast-detect focusing cameras.

There's no reason they couldn't have done a similar review for any of the DP-Merrill cameras.

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DPR have their review criteria and they have hinted in the past that Sigma's are not the kind of all rounders that their system is designed for. They would rather not do a review than dish out a "Below average" because it's a niche product.

Only Sigma can address this by making products that fit with reviewers' expectations.

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I wish they would.

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DMillier wrote:

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Only Sigma can address this by making products that fit with reviewers' expectations.

I would rather not

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DMillier wrote:

DPR have their review criteria and they have hinted in the past that Sigma's are not the kind of all rounders that their system is designed for. They would rather not do a review than dish out a "Below average" because it's a niche product.

Only Sigma can address this by making products that fit with reviewers' expectations.

So what your saying is that Pentax needs to update their 645 as well so it is fast and can shoot muddy photos at ISO 1 000 000?

If dpreview cannot distinguish between the different camera and their purposes, then it is in deed a poor review site.

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