The Amazing D200.

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Mugdock Park, Milngavie, Scotland.  It rains a lot here

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I don't care how ancient the thing is, as long as I don't ask my D200 it to do more than its capable of doing, it never seems to fail me. And to top if off I don't even own any pro glass (can't afford any)...if I did, I'd probably never be able to wipe the smile off my face.

The Coach Coaches.....(he was telling the player what he did wrong and how to correct his mistake)

The statue of the mascot for my son's pop warner football team

My youngest son enjoying himself at the amusement park

My trusty roller skates....their over 20 years old and they still keep me rolling around the rink!

F-22 in flight...I luv this angle

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In reply to marcio_napoli, Jun 17, 2013

marcio_napoli wrote:

I'm gonna sound extemely biased, but the images in this thread make me appreciate even more CCD cameras.

I know it's all about the photographer, light, etc, and post. Naturally it is.

But take a look at these gorgeous shots!

FTH, your shots are simply amazing, and with a D40X !!!

No unnecessary amount of shadow lifting (which just make shots look fake), no bland, dull colors, no over processed ISO 50.000 in very bad light.

In fact, it's actually the very opposite.

Deep, rich colors, superb edge sharpness, and that trademark CCD rendering.

And with the limited ISO range of those old CCD cameras, you're "forced" to shoot in good light.

When I say "good light", I'm actually referring to plenty of photons available, and the quality of light itself.

Being "forced" to shoot from ISO 100 to 800, actually makes you shoot only when it matters, when there is quality of light.

I mean, seriously, does anyone expect decent IQ at ISO 100.000, when there's not even light in the first place?

Once again, FTH, those are magnificent shots!

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Thank you Marcio, I googled your website, phenomenal work on lighting and ingenious shots, this is rare, especially on this forum !

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Just to add my bobs worth.Ive been following a couple of threads on the virtues of the D200 and finally found a mint body with a very low shutter count at a silly price.Now ive been around the traps for a while and had the pleasure of the company of some nice camera gear over the years.I was bowled over by the files coming out of this wee beaut.I sometimes wonder whether we arent being sold a bit of a pup with the megapixel race that is the modern camera.This and an old D2H i have produce some amazing stuff.Sure they may be a bit unforgiving at times but anyone with any real understanding of exposure and lighting is in heaven.

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In reply to t.c. marino, Jun 17, 2013

Ronnie died from ALS in May 2011. This was his final post here:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/35871092

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agree 100% ronnie's landscape work truly excellent..where is ronnie these days?

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In reply to dboogie, Jun 20, 2013

I don't care how ancient the thing is, as long as I don't ask my D200 it to do more than its capable of doing, it never seems to fail me. And to top if off I don't even own any pro glass (can't afford any)...if I did, I'd probably never be able to wipe the smile off my face.

The Coach Coaches.....(he was telling the player what he did wrong and how to correct his mistake)

The statue of the mascot for my son's pop warner football team

My youngest son enjoying himself at the amusement park

My trusty roller skates....their over 20 years old and they still keep me rolling around the rink!

F-22 in flight...I luv this angle

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Great images.

Hope this doesn't start a holy war... But I'll go ahead and ask: what would you say that it's capable of? Any particular settings you avoid?

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I don't use the camera above ISO200.  I also tend to use spot metering and manually over expose or under expose as I feel necessary.

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Skates image data shows this shot came from a Canon and not the D200.

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Re: Great images, a few of mine with the same CCD sensor
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Beautiful. Are you sure they are not from Ektachrome. Tonal range and depth is especially nice in the Canyon shots and the lady..wow!

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In reply to marcio_napoli, Jun 21, 2013

marcio_napoli wrote:

No unnecessary amount of shadow lifting (which just make shots look fake), no bland, dull colors, no over processed ISO 50.000 in very bad light.

In fact, it's actually the very opposite.

Deep, rich colors, superb edge sharpness, and that trademark CCD rendering.

And with the limited ISO range of those old CCD cameras, you're "forced" to shoot in good light.

When I say "good light", I'm actually referring to plenty of photons available, and the quality of light itself.

Being "forced" to shoot from ISO 100 to 800, actually makes you shoot only when it matters, when there is quality of light.

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Very well said Marco, You sound like a guy who liked Ektachrome or even Kodachrome 64

Simply stated, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE LIGHT! If its poor it can't be made good. You can push the film but you pay a price.

I know I am old school but I don't expect to take very good photos in poor light so I don't worry much about having a couple more F stops or not.

Maybe I am lazy but I still don't see much need to leave the D200

(Apologies to all those who do need to shoot in dreary gymnasiums or night clubs)

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Jimmy C wrote:

Skates image data shows this shot came from a Canon and not the D200.

Thanks Jimmy for catching that....I definitely wasn't trying to pull a fast one or mislead anyone about my images.  I just looked at the date in which I took the picture (Nov 2007) and I believe that was right around the time when i purchased the D200 from my co-worker and I guess I got my cameras mixed up.  I truly didn't realize that I had taken the image with my old Canon Digital Rebel...I honestly thought it came out of D200.  I'll post another D200 image to make up for my mistake....i'll double check the exif data this time...(smile)

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In reply to photoeng, Jun 21, 2013

Great images.

Hope this doesn't start a holy war... But I'll go ahead and ask: what would you say that it's capable of? Any particular settings you avoid?

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I guess I could've chosen my words a little better...instead of saying "not asking it to do more that its capable of"....i probably should've said "not asking it to do more than what my personal preferences thinks its capable of doing WELL."

The one particular setting with my D200 that I'm always mindful of, is avoiding shooting higher than ISO400.  At 400, the images to my eyes are tolerable....anything higher than that and the noise becomes too much for me.  That doesn't  mean that I never go pass 400.  What it does mean is on  those occassions when I do, I'm ok with having a "crappy" shot full of noise, instead of having no shot at all.  I can atleast say I captured the moment....it won't be the greatest thing to look at, but atleast I got it.  Also, during the editing process, I can clean up ISO400 noise well enough to my liking, anything much more than 400 and my editing skills don't do that well.

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I just ordered one from KEH after reading and seeing images made from this camera. For years I shot with an olympus E1 and LOVED the colors I got from it. The OOC jpegs were so good, raw files were rarely if ever needed. The only problem was the small sensor amplified noise + it was only 5MP. I tried a later E410 but the panny CMOS sensor didn't have the same look. The other E system cameras didn't look any better so I got a D7000 and switched systems.

Clearly the low ISO and shadow recovery from the D7000 is amazing but I instantly noticed things like the red channel being blown into mush, files that had certain colors extremely over saturated even shot on the neutral picture control etc.

So I'm going to "step back" to a D200 and see how it works for me. I still have a D7000 when I know I need iso800+ but much of the time I shoot in daylight with fairly fast glass so am at the lower iso settings anyway. I hope to end up with files that look like my E1 files, great colors etc but with 2X the MP and more dynamic range.

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Tidewater wrote:

Beautiful. Are you sure they are not from Ektachrome. Tonal range and depth is especially nice in the Canyon shots and the lady..wow!

thank you, indeed the files are very easy to work on and really feel like slide film (no color shift in shadows, no blown warm colors independently of normal colors, no mushy tones). People complain too much about noise with the D200, but Velvia 50 film also shows some noise, even on 6x7 slides, and we used to deal for years with very noisy 400 images, which is not even the case with the D200.

Some people are also looking for filmic grain structure, like on Tri-X film. Grain from 800-1600 ISO images can easily be removed or damped, especially chromatic noise, so it is not a big deal at all. Look at the D7100 images at base ISO : they produce noise. Even my D600 shows some noise in the skies but do I really care, NO : it helps ghosting jpeg artifacts on the final output and will not been seen on the final print anyways

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http://joelnisleitphotography.com. I would link to images but the site doesn't appear to accept embed code or links without file extensions.

99% of images here taken with D200, which continues to be my main camera. Gear does not make the photographer. Better gear has advantages that I want, but I never place the burden of better photography on my gear. It's my job to make the image. The camera just does what it's told.

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hirejn wrote:

http://joelnisleitphotography.com. I would link to images but the site doesn't appear to accept embed code or links without file extensions.

99% of images here taken with D200, which continues to be my main camera. Gear does not make the photographer. Better gear has advantages that I want, but I never place the burden of better photography on my gear. It's my job to make the image. The camera just does what it's told.

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I enjoyed the photos on your link very much, I was beginning to think that American wedding, portrait photography was a lost art. John

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When you speak of the image quality/color rendering are you referring to JPEG or Raw or both?

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