Going to be getting a D7100 need help with first lens choice?

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Going to be getting a D7100 need help with first lens choice?
Jun 7, 2013

Well I've decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on getting a Nikon D7100. My Canon T4i is great but I'm looking for something with more controls, a bigger viewfinder, more MP as I tend to crop images quite a bit. Anyways, I need help with the first lens that I'm going to get for it. Here are my choices:

-18-105mm kit lens. Seems decent however a plastic mount worries me. With D7100, comes out to $1500.

-Nikon 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR AF-S. Buying with the D7100, there's a special that knocks off $100 and brings everything to $1700

-Nikon 16-85MM. The lens I prefer cause of the wide angle at 16mm. No specials on it with the D7100 unfortunately. Brings the total with the D7100 Body to $1800.

-Nikon 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G AF-S ED VR II Nikkor Telephoto Zoom Lens. Buying with the D7100 brings it down $250. Total with body is $1800.

I'm just trying to find the best starting lens I can at the moment. if the 18-105mm lens is plenty good to start and is fine with being a plastic mount. Then I'll just opt for that. However, if any of these other lenses are a better option, I may as well save the $300 on the 18-105mm and put it towards one of these other lenses. Just looking for some advice. Thanks guys!

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Well I've decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on getting a Nikon D7100. My Canon T4i is great but I'm looking for something with more controls, a bigger viewfinder, more MP as I tend to crop images quite a bit. Anyways, I need help with the first lens that I'm going to get for it. Here are my choices:

-18-105mm kit lens. Seems decent however a plastic mount worries me. With D7100, comes out to $1500.

-Nikon 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR AF-S. Buying with the D7100, there's a special that knocks off $100 and brings everything to $1700

-Nikon 16-85MM. The lens I prefer cause of the wide angle at 16mm. No specials on it with the D7100 unfortunately. Brings the total with the D7100 Body to $1800.

-Nikon 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G AF-S ED VR II Nikkor Telephoto Zoom Lens. Buying with the D7100 brings it down $250. Total with body is $1800.

I'm just trying to find the best starting lens I can at the moment. if the 18-105mm lens is plenty good to start and is fine with being a plastic mount. Then I'll just opt for that. However, if any of these other lenses are a better option, I may as well save the $300 on the 18-105mm and put it towards one of these other lenses. Just looking for some advice. Thanks guys!

The plastic mount is fine, as long as you're not super rough with your gear.  Just avoid picking the camera up by the lens, lift from the body.

My choice would be the 16-85, but not at that price.  If I got one, I would get one used.

I think that overall, if I were in your situation, I would buy the 18-105 combo kit.  Then, if you need a tele, find a used 70-300 VR.  Or if you need a bit better low light performance, get a used fast prime, light the 35 G or 50 G.

OR, just buy the body, and buy all your lenses used.  Every one of my 14 or so lenses was bought used, except the 18-105 which came with my D7000.  I have had no problems at all.

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Smiller4128 wrote:

Well I've decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on getting a Nikon D7100. My Canon T4i is great but I'm looking for something with more controls, a bigger viewfinder, more MP as I tend to crop images quite a bit. Anyways, I need help with the first lens that I'm going to get for it. Here are my choices:

-18-105mm kit lens. Seems decent however a plastic mount worries me. With D7100, comes out to $1500.

-Nikon 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR AF-S. Buying with the D7100, there's a special that knocks off $100 and brings everything to $1700

-Nikon 16-85MM. The lens I prefer cause of the wide angle at 16mm. No specials on it with the D7100 unfortunately. Brings the total with the D7100 Body to $1800.

-Nikon 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G AF-S ED VR II Nikkor Telephoto Zoom Lens. Buying with the D7100 brings it down $250. Total with body is $1800.

I'm just trying to find the best starting lens I can at the moment. if the 18-105mm lens is plenty good to start and is fine with being a plastic mount. Then I'll just opt for that. However, if any of these other lenses are a better option, I may as well save the $300 on the 18-105mm and put it towards one of these other lenses. Just looking for some advice. Thanks guys!

The 18-105 is a very good lens at a good price. The 16-85 is a little wider, maybe a little sharper, and has a metal mount. If you are rough on your gear, the 16-85 may be worth the extra money. If not, I would save the money and get the 18-105. 24mm on an APS-C camera is not wide enough in my opinion, so I wouldn't consider the 24-85.

The 18-200 is controversial. Like other all-in-ones, some people love them, others hate them. On the plus side, they are convenient and you don't lose shots because you have the wrong focal length on the camera. It also is less expensive than covering its focal lengths with two or three lenses, and it saves weight and space. The negative is that you lose some image quality especially at the long end. IMO, if you don't print larger than 8x10, or if you only display your photos electronically, and you do some postprocessing you probably won't see much difference. If you print much larger or if you are a pixel peeper you probably won't be happy. All in all it's a bit of a gamble. Of course if you buy from a reputable dealer, you could exchange it for one of the other lenses if you're not happy with it.

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Smiller4128 wrote:

Well I've decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on getting a Nikon D7100. My Canon T4i is great but I'm looking for something with more controls, a bigger viewfinder, more MP as I tend to crop images quite a bit. Anyways, I need help with the first lens that I'm going to get for it. Here are my choices:

-18-105mm kit lens. Seems decent however a plastic mount worries me. With D7100, comes out to $1500.

-Nikon 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR AF-S. Buying with the D7100, there's a special that knocks off $100 and brings everything to $1700

-Nikon 16-85MM. The lens I prefer cause of the wide angle at 16mm. No specials on it with the D7100 unfortunately. Brings the total with the D7100 Body to $1800.

-Nikon 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G AF-S ED VR II Nikkor Telephoto Zoom Lens. Buying with the D7100 brings it down $250. Total with body is $1800.

I'm just trying to find the best starting lens I can at the moment. if the 18-105mm lens is plenty good to start and is fine with being a plastic mount. Then I'll just opt for that. However, if any of these other lenses are a better option, I may as well save the $300 on the 18-105mm and put it towards one of these other lenses. Just looking for some advice. Thanks guys!

The plastic mount is fine, as long as you're not super rough with your gear.  Just avoid picking the camera up by the lens, lift from the body.

My choice would be the 16-85, but not at that price.  If I got one, I would get one used.

I think that overall, if I were in your situation, I would buy the 18-105 combo kit.  Then, if you need a tele, find a used 70-300 VR.  Or if you need a bit better low light performance, get a used fast prime, light the 35 G or 50 G.

OR, just buy the body, and buy all your lenses used.  Every one of my 14 or so lenses was bought used, except the 18-105 which came with my D7000.  I have had no problems at all.

Yes I forgot to add that my other options would be buying used which I have no problems with either. I'll see what prices I can find for the 16-85mm first as I would prefer to have that lens if I could, but thank you for the info on the 18-105mm thats very reassuring as well

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What is your primary subject matter?  The 18-105 is a very versatile lens.  I still use it a lot when out and about.

I primarily use my 50 1.8 since it's not only a good street lens but also a good portrait lens.  Do you need a telephoto or have you considered a well rounded prime?

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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/927106-REG/nikon_d7100_dslr_camera_body.html

Nikon announced new camera + lens deals, so you can get $100 off the 16-85 or other options.

The list above begins with the $300 deals on 70-200/F4 down to $20 on 50/ 1.8G.

Both 16-85 & 18-105 are fine for you, depending what you shoot. A 16-85 VR & 70-300 VR combo is hard to beat on sunny days.

With father's day approaching, watch also for 1 day special deals, depending where you shop in store or online.

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nfpotter wrote:

Smiller4128 wrote:

Well I've decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on getting a Nikon D7100. My Canon T4i is great but I'm looking for something with more controls, a bigger viewfinder, more MP as I tend to crop images quite a bit. Anyways, I need help with the first lens that I'm going to get for it. Here are my choices:

-18-105mm kit lens. Seems decent however a plastic mount worries me. With D7100, comes out to $1500.

-Nikon 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR AF-S. Buying with the D7100, there's a special that knocks off $100 and brings everything to $1700

-Nikon 16-85MM. The lens I prefer cause of the wide angle at 16mm. No specials on it with the D7100 unfortunately. Brings the total with the D7100 Body to $1800.

-Nikon 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G AF-S ED VR II Nikkor Telephoto Zoom Lens. Buying with the D7100 brings it down $250. Total with body is $1800.

I'm just trying to find the best starting lens I can at the moment. if the 18-105mm lens is plenty good to start and is fine with being a plastic mount. Then I'll just opt for that. However, if any of these other lenses are a better option, I may as well save the $300 on the 18-105mm and put it towards one of these other lenses. Just looking for some advice. Thanks guys!

The plastic mount is fine, as long as you're not super rough with your gear.  Just avoid picking the camera up by the lens, lift from the body.

My choice would be the 16-85, but not at that price.  If I got one, I would get one used.

I think that overall, if I were in your situation, I would buy the 18-105 combo kit.  Then, if you need a tele, find a used 70-300 VR.  Or if you need a bit better low light performance, get a used fast prime, light the 35 G or 50 G.

OR, just buy the body, and buy all your lenses used.  Every one of my 14 or so lenses was bought used, except the 18-105 which came with my D7000.  I have had no problems at all.

Yes I forgot to add that my other options would be buying used which I have no problems with either. I'll see what prices I can find for the 16-85mm first as I would prefer to have that lens if I could, but thank you for the info on the 18-105mm thats very reassuring as well

The 16-85 is typically found used in the mid-to-high $400s.  The 18-105 new is around $350-400. The 18-105 is much more readily found, because it is a kit lens and many simply buy the kits and resell the lens in the (mistaken) belief that they can get better lenses for not much more.  What they find is that you have to nearly double the cost of the 18-105 before you get significantly better performance. This is why the recent 16-85 rebate deal was so attractive.

I have shot with the 18-105 for 5 years now, throughout the world, and haven't babied it.  It's performed very well.  I wouldn't worry that much about its plastic mount.

If you want to start out with the very best general purpose glass, that is not found with a Nikon nameplate.  After the kit lens, many folks realize the IQ and other advantages of a fast midrange zoom - which the 16-85 decidedly isn't.  Nikon's offering is extremely big and heavy and expensive - the 17-55 f2.8.  The 3rd party lens manufacturers have had a field day offering high quality modest cost step-up DX lenses that Nikon has seemed to ignore for the last 10 years.  Some of the most popular are the Sigma 17-50 f2.8, the Tamron 17-50 f2.8, and the new Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4.0 "C". This last lens is only $500 and is a stop faster than the 16-85, while covering most of its range. Until Nikon comes out with the rumored f4 upgrade to the 16-85 (at about $1000, I would guess), the Sigma may be the more logical stepup lens than any Nikon zoom.

Since you've got a D7100 with AF fine tuning, 3rd party lenses are no longer the calibration worries that they once were. You can tweak them yourself.  It's always good to have at least one Nikon lens, though - and the 18-105 is probably the best bang/buck you can buy.

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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/927106-REG/nikon_d7100_dslr_camera_body.html

Nikon announced new camera + lens deals, so you can get $100 off the 16-85 or other options.

The list above begins with the $300 deals on 70-200/F4 down to $20 on 50/ 1.8G.

Both 16-85 & 18-105 are fine for you, depending what you shoot. A 16-85 VR & 70-300 VR combo is hard to beat on sunny days.

With father's day approaching, watch also for 1 day special deals, depending where you shop in store or online.

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Well I tend to shop exclusively with Amazon because I have a card with them and they offer excellent 0% financing on many things which I need in order to be able to afford most of the cameras/lenses I buy. Ill have to check and see if that $100 off te 16-85 is on there and if not, if they can price match it. Thank you very much!

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Smiller4128 wrote:

Well I've decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on getting a Nikon D7100. My Canon T4i is great but I'm looking for something with more controls, a bigger viewfinder, more MP as I tend to crop images quite a bit. Anyways, I need help with the first lens that I'm going to get for it. Here are my choices:

-18-105mm kit lens. Seems decent however a plastic mount worries me. With D7100, comes out to $1500.

-Nikon 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR AF-S. Buying with the D7100, there's a special that knocks off $100 and brings everything to $1700

-Nikon 16-85MM. The lens I prefer cause of the wide angle at 16mm. No specials on it with the D7100 unfortunately. Brings the total with the D7100 Body to $1800.

-Nikon 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G AF-S ED VR II Nikkor Telephoto Zoom Lens. Buying with the D7100 brings it down $250. Total with body is $1800.

I'm just trying to find the best starting lens I can at the moment. if the 18-105mm lens is plenty good to start and is fine with being a plastic mount. Then I'll just opt for that. However, if any of these other lenses are a better option, I may as well save the $300 on the 18-105mm and put it towards one of these other lenses. Just looking for some advice. Thanks guys!

The 18-105 is a very good lens at a good price. The 16-85 is a little wider, maybe a little sharper, and has a metal mount. If you are rough on your gear, the 16-85 may be worth the extra money. If not, I would save the money and get the 18-105. 24mm on an APS-C camera is not wide enough in my opinion, so I wouldn't consider the 24-85.

The 18-200 is controversial. Like other all-in-ones, some people love them, others hate them. On the plus side, they are convenient and you don't lose shots because you have the wrong focal length on the camera. It also is less expensive than covering its focal lengths with two or three lenses, and it saves weight and space. The negative is that you lose some image quality especially at the long end. IMO, if you don't print larger than 8x10, or if you only display your photos electronically, and you do some postprocessing you probably won't see much difference. If you print much larger or if you are a pixel peeper you probably won't be happy. All in all it's a bit of a gamble. Of course if you buy from a reputable dealer, you could exchange it for one of the other lenses if you're not happy with it.

That was extremely helpful! Thank you! I was indeed looking at both the Sigma and Tamron 17-55 f2.8 but wasn't sure how they stacked up against Nikon lenses being 3rd party. So thank you very much!

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I have a first gen 18-200 from back in my D200 days that I've been very pleased with so far on the D7100.

Depending on what type of range you need, the Tamron 17-50 f2.8 VC is a fantastic lens, at least in my experience.  Mine is absolutely razor sharp.

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The 18-200 is controversial. Like other all-in-ones, some people love them, others hate them. On the plus side, they are convenient and you don't lose shots because you have the wrong focal length on the camera. It also is less expensive than covering its focal lengths with two or three lenses, and it saves weight and space. The negative is that you lose some image quality especially at the long end. IMO, if you don't print larger than 8x10, or if you only display your photos electronically, and you do some postprocessing you probably won't see much difference. If you print much larger or if you are a pixel peeper you probably won't be happy. All in all it's a bit of a gamble. Of course if you buy from a reputable dealer, you could exchange it for one of the other lenses if you're not happy with it.

The advantages to the 18-200 far outweigh the disadvantages, IMHO. The only way you might not be happy is if you're a pixel peeper. Even with large prints, most people are unlikely to see the "flaws" in it.

Take a look at this image. Look at it full size. It was taken with a D7100 and 18-200. Tell me if you really believe the "flaws" degrade the image quality to the point you would dismiss the lens and lean toward a different on.

http://photos.fischman.net/Travel/Chicago-2013/29799967_CkWNJv#!i=2555400938&k=Zw2HHxq

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here in UK, D7100 body only is around £900. 18-105 is just £160 BUT the 16-85 is a colossal £435 (!!!) so when I see a D7100+18-105 for £1030 on Amazon is seems like it would be silly to get the 16-85 lens. If I could afford the 16-85 I would get the the Sigma 17-50 2.8 for £320 instead. I might well do this anyway!

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 18-105 Kit lens-it offers a lot of bang for the buck, and has good IQ, especially for the price range.

However, I just bought a 16-85 and absolutely love it.  My advice is if you intend to shop for a deal for the 16-85, then you probably shouldn't bother with the 18-105.

My current 'go everywhere duo' are the 16-85 and the 70-300.  Both are commonly available used or refurbished.

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I'm agreeing with the previous poster -- the 16-85 is a great lens and paired with the 70-300 it covers just about everything.  These have been my go-to lenses on several Nikon bodies over the last few years.  I took the 16-85 as my only lens to Greece and Turkey last summer and was not disappointed.

However, I have spoken with photographers who really like the 18-105.  The image quality is not that different and you get more on the long end.  The 18-105 is definitely the better value, financially.  You can't go wrong with either of these, the 16-85 or the 18-105.  They will probably autofocus faster on your camera than some of the third party zooms.

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I really liked it, as for go-around lens it has pretty good quality/price ratio.

After that add 70-200 F2.8 zoom, preferably with optical stabilization too. Or you can explore prime lenses, 35mm, 50mm, 105mm macro. I do not like extra long zooms like 18-200 etc, they cannot provide good quality by definition.

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This is a sharp, fast focusing lens.  Center sharpness is good everywhere on the dials.  For a lens that is sharp all over, costs less, but does not have stabilization, you might try the Tamron 17-50 f2.8, non-VC.  Either woud be a great choice for a fast normal zoom.

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I really liked it, as for go-around lens it has pretty good quality/price ratio.

After that add 70-200 F2.8 zoom, preferably with optical stabilization too. Or you can explore prime lenses, 35mm, 50mm, 105mm macro. I do not like extra long zooms like 18-200 etc, they cannot provide good quality by definition.

I was looking at both the Sigma and the Tamron 17-50 f2.8 would you say the Sigma is better than the tamron?

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check DXO here

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here in UK, D7100 body only is around £900. 18-105 is just £160 BUT the 16-85 is a colossal £435 (!!!) so when I see a D7100+18-105 for £1030 on Amazon is seems like it would be silly to get the 16-85 lens. If I could afford the 16-85 I would get the the Sigma 17-50 2.8 for £320 instead. I might well do this anyway!

I bought the Sigma 17-50 couple weeks ago , I'm very pleased with this purchase , it's very sharp and well built .

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the 16-85vr and 70-300vr would be an ideal choice. you would have most bases covered. i found the 18-105vr a little soft.

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