D2H, Why so Much for a 4MP Camera?

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I currently have a D200 I recently upgraded to the D200 from a D70.  During my search which ended with the D200 (a 10MP camera), I saw lots of D2H cameras.  I passed on the Dh2 because it only delivered 4MP.

So, I pose this question.  Why is the D2H so expensive when it delivers 4MP images?

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Gpruitt54 wrote:

I currently have a D200 I recently upgraded to the D200 from a D70.  During my search which ended with the D200 (a 10MP camera), I saw lots of D2H cameras.  I passed on the Dh2 because it only delivered 4MP.

So, I pose this question.  Why is the D2H so expensive when it delivers 4MP images?

AF speed, overall speed, build and reliability...

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Why used Corolla is chiper than used Jaguar??? Same differance.If you don't see it than it's not for you. From all DSLR's I used ( D70, D1, D2H, D2Xs,D2Hs, Fuji S5 , D700) D2Hs put biggest smile on my face every time I used it. Even with small 4MP  sensor.

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Why used Corolla is chiper than used Jaguar??? Same differance.If you don't see it than it's not for you. From all DSLR's I used ( D70, D1, D2H, D2Xs,D2Hs, Fuji S5 , D700) D2Hs put biggest smile on my face every time I used it. Even with small 4MP  sensor.

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I do not own a D2H and I do not know anyone who has one.  However, from a Megapixel point of view (my only frame of reference) I am a bit confused at the value proposition as it relates to the D2H. I use to use a D70.  No, I NOT asserting an equivalence between them. But, the D70, like the D2H are both low Megapixel cameras.  From the reference point of Megapixels (alone), the photo quality between the D70 and my current D200, is a very notable improvement.

This is where my question is based.  How does the D2H produce better images (if any), from any similarly equipped low MP (Nikon) camera?

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If your value system is based on pixels only - than no - the D2H has no worth to you.

If your value system is based on handling / speed and AF - than the D2H may have some worth to you.

Better images can be produced and have been produced from the D2H because of its high frame rates and faster AF system than a consumer body.

But again, it depends on what you shoot and your own value system. If you shoot landscapes on a tripod - than no - a D2H has no value to you.

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Why used Corolla is chiper than used Jaguar??? Same differance.If you don't see it than it's not for you. From all DSLR's I used ( D70, D1, D2H, D2Xs,D2Hs, Fuji S5 , D700) D2Hs put biggest smile on my face every time I used it. Even with small 4MP  sensor.

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I do not own a D2H and I do not know anyone who has one.  However, from a Megapixel point of view (my only frame of reference) I am a bit confused at the value proposition as it relates to the D2H. I use to use a D70.  No, I NOT asserting an equivalence between them. But, the D70, like the D2H are both low Megapixel cameras.  From the reference point of Megapixels (alone), the photo quality between the D70 and my current D200, is a very notable improvement.

This is where my question is based.  How does the D2H produce better images (if any), from any similarly equipped low MP (Nikon) camera?

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If your value system is based on pixels only - than no - the D2H has no worth to you.

If your value system is based on handling / speed and AF - than the D2H may have some worth to you.

Better images can be produced and have been produced from the D2H because of its high frame rates and faster AF system than a consumer body.

But again, it depends on what you shoot and your own value system. If you shoot landscapes on a tripod - than no - a D2H has no value to you.

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Why used Corolla is chiper than used Jaguar??? Same differance.If you don't see it than it's not for you. From all DSLR's I used ( D70, D1, D2H, D2Xs,D2Hs, Fuji S5 , D700) D2Hs put biggest smile on my face every time I used it. Even with small 4MP  sensor.

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I do not own a D2H and I do not know anyone who has one.  However, from a Megapixel point of view (my only frame of reference) I am a bit confused at the value proposition as it relates to the D2H. I use to use a D70.  No, I NOT asserting an equivalence between them. But, the D70, like the D2H are both low Megapixel cameras.  From the reference point of Megapixels (alone), the photo quality between the D70 and my current D200, is a very notable improvement.

This is where my question is based.  How does the D2H produce better images (if any), from any similarly equipped low MP (Nikon) camera?

I value quality in both build and image.  So, when I upgraded from the D70, I went with the D200.  I was considering the D2H, but because of the low MP of the D2H, I passed on it.

I am considering buying another camera body. Been looking at the D300 for its added feature set. But, the D2H is not out of the running.  What do I shoot?  Mostly macro, some city nightscape photography, very little landscape (I ordered an Infrared filter, so that may change), No sports photography.  I do event photography for the company I work for.

I am doing this mostly as a serious hobby, with the occasional paying project.  I buy used whenever I can (with good luck so far).  I will be looking to buy my next camera body on the used market.  It’s the only way I can afford to enjoy this hobby.

So, does that make a candidate for a D2H?  Maybe not, but I think I want one.

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there is more to photography than megapixels.

Build quality, handling, speed and ruggedness play important roles.

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Mr Gadget wrote:

there is more to photography than megapixels.

Build quality, handling, speed and ruggedness play important roles.

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Yes, you are absolutely correct. Build quality is very important.  I am looking at this objectively (I hope).  I cannot explain it, but I took some of my worse photos with the low MP D70. On the other hand, I am taking some my best photos with the higher MP D200.

I am trying to get some insight into what features the D2H can offer. Also being budget minded, I would prefer to buy a used high-quality product over a used low quality product.  At the time I bought my D200 I bypassed the D2H. I am trying to square the circle with respect to the D2H.  I am aware there are higher MP D2 models out there, but I cannot afford those cameras.

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There certainly is more to photography other than megapixels, but sensor performance is important.  And the newer sensors have numerous improvements over the old ones - high ISO performance, better noise characteristics, better dynamic range.

If you are looking at two or three generations behind the current as viable - then maybe consider a D2x as long as you don't need to go above ISO 400.

The D2H was really a niche camera, even when it came out.  Smaller file sizes but better high ISO and low light focusing than anything available.

Probably eclipsed by anything remotely current, like a D300, D700 or D3.

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Gpruitt54 wrote:

I currently have a D200 I recently upgraded to the D200 from a D70.  During my search which ended with the D200 (a 10MP camera), I saw lots of D2H cameras.  I passed on the Dh2 because it only delivered 4MP.

So, I pose this question.  Why is the D2H so expensive when it delivers 4MP images?

There's been some pretty good answers, but I'd pose the observation that since the D300 has dropped so much in price, the D2H makes little sense to buy.

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Gpruitt54 wrote:

I currently have a D200 I recently upgraded to the D200 from a D70.  During my search which ended with the D200 (a 10MP camera), I saw lots of D2H cameras.  I passed on the Dh2 because it only delivered 4MP.

So, I pose this question.  Why is the D2H so expensive when it delivers 4MP images?

There's been some pretty good answers, but I'd pose the observation that since the D300 has dropped so much in price, the D2H makes little sense to buy.

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Now we are getting some where.  This is the same kind of freeform communication that got me considering my current D200 camera.

So, as good as the D2H is or may be, you are suggesting that one of the more recent offerings, like the D300 might be a better choice.

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Gpruitt54 wrote:

I currently have a D200 I recently upgraded to the D200 from a D70.  During my search which ended with the D200 (a 10MP camera), I saw lots of D2H cameras.  I passed on the Dh2 because it only delivered 4MP.

So, I pose this question.  Why is the D2H so expensive when it delivers 4MP images?

Hi!

For many years, the D2H was my heavy duty, well built, accurate/fast focusing DSLR, usually mounted with a 200-400VR.

The 4 MPs of the D2H might be among the best 4MPs ever pit into a DSLR. Some not only got good results from the D2H, but using programs like genuine fractels, could get decent enlargements as well:

I tried listing mine on Craigslist for $50, but no takersĀ 

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/1600s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso200

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/1600s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso200

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/320s f/5.6 at 400.0mm iso320

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/3000s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso320

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/1000s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso250

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/800s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso800

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/160s f/6.3 at 380.0mm iso800

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/1250s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso400

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
TC14e-II, 1/1250s f/7.1 at 550.0mm iso320

Nikon TC-14E 1.4x II ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/2500s f/6.3 at 550.0mm iso400

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Gpruitt54 wrote:

Now we are getting some where.  This is the same kind of freeform communication that got me considering my current D200 camera.

So, as good as the D2H is or may be, you are suggesting that one of the more recent offerings, like the D300 might be a better choice.

Unless one puts a ton of value in "built like a tank" I'd say it depends a lot on how cheap you can get a D2H these days, last I looked a good one that had life left and a good battery etc would set you back 400 bucks or so.  I let my very good D300 and 3rd party grip that did 8 fps, as good or better AF, way better high ISO noise, etc go for 500 bucks...  The D2H is a great camera, if you can get one for a couple hundred it might be worth playing with if you really can't afford a few hundred more.  Honestly if you already have a D200 the only real benefit you'll see is faster AF performance and higher FPS and the build, the D200 is at least as good in everything else.

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Gpruitt54 wrote:

I currently have a D200 I recently upgraded to the D200 from a D70.  During my search which ended with the D200 (a 10MP camera), I saw lots of D2H cameras.  I passed on the Dh2 because it only delivered 4MP.

So, I pose this question.  Why is the D2H so expensive when it delivers 4MP images?

Hi!

For many years, the D2H was my heavy duty, well built, accurate/fast focusing DSLR, usually mounted with a 200-400VR.

The 4 MPs of the D2H might be among the best 4MPs ever pit into a DSLR. Some not only got good results from the D2H, but using programs like genuine fractels, could get decent enlargements as well:

I tried listing mine on Craigslist for $50, but no takersĀ 

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/1600s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso200

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/1600s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso200

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/320s f/5.6 at 400.0mm iso320

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/3000s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso320

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/1000s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso250

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/800s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso800

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/160s f/6.3 at 380.0mm iso800

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/1250s f/4.0 at 400.0mm iso400

Nikon D2h ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
TC14e-II, 1/1250s f/7.1 at 550.0mm iso320

Nikon TC-14E 1.4x II ,Nikkor 200-400mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S VR
1/2500s f/6.3 at 550.0mm iso400

Best Regards,

RB

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First of all, wonderful photos.  You got these results with a 4MP camera?  Outstanding work!

OK, So is the Creag's list D2H still available and what kind if shape is it in?

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MikeInIndy wrote:

Gpruitt54 wrote:

Now we are getting some where.  This is the same kind of freeform communication that got me considering my current D200 camera.

So, as good as the D2H is or may be, you are suggesting that one of the more recent offerings, like the D300 might be a better choice.

Unless one puts a ton of value in "built like a tank" I'd say it depends a lot on how cheap you can get a D2H these days, last I looked a good one that had life left and a good battery etc would set you back 400 bucks or so.  I let my very good D300 and 3rd party grip that did 8 fps, as good or better AF, way better high ISO noise, etc go for 500 bucks...  The D2H is a great camera, if you can get one for a couple hundred it might be worth playing with if you really can't afford a few hundred more.  Honestly if you already have a D200 the only real benefit you'll see is faster AF performance and higher FPS and the build, the D200 is at least as good in everything else.

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I really love my D200.  I am getting some of my best images out of it.  If I could get a used D2H with some files left in it for a good (great) price, I'd consider it.

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I think I am sufficiently impressed enough to look into a D2h as a second body.  I’ve seen some interesting prices on Ebay.  However, the really low price examples cam be pretty beaten up and have with no charger or battery.  Also, those examples have clicks in the of 117K and higher.

Bottom line is that I am taking a closer look. Especially if I can fine one at a really great price and is not to beaten up.

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Man I'd give you easily twice that for camera only.  I have owned 3 D2H's.   I have a love/hate relationship with em.  I love the handling, autofocus and the way they shoot.  I hate it when the lights go down and I have to go to 800 or worse.  Nowadays my assignments (maybe arbitrarily) won't allow less than 6mp, but I do love using this around the house in the daytime to shoot my kids and local nature.

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While one can generally see which items are of value and are keenly chased by the market, it is apparent to anyone dealing with buying on auction sites, that there are 'traders', not only those who source products to sell on audtion sites, but those who buy and sell on these same sites, making it a bit more difficult for the end users to get things cheaply.

Everyone has to make money, that's fine, and its good for the primary sellers, but it inflates prices 'artifically' above the end user need.

Yes, demand and supply = prices, but the thing is, if dealers are buying and selling, it makes the bidding process artificial to the end user, and certainly affects prices.

Plus it targets the good condition products that 'would' be deals but are also targeted by those who deal, because they lknow that they canm make out of those.

So, this said in summary is that take prices with a pinch of salt and hunt around for what you want, compare, compare, compare, especially to prices of such as KEH & Adorama, brick and mortar photography stores.

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Because it is a well built, quality camera that performs beyond the over hyped "mega pixels." I have owned 3 D2hs back in the day, and still keep 1 for old time's sake. 
Ill be honest, for family events in good light / sporting events, it is still my choice camera. I usually either put a long lens, or a fish eye on it.
Its RAW file sizes are more manageable than my D800/D3. While it has its flaws (gets noisy at ISO 800), I would choose it over a D70 or a D200 any day. 8x10s are easily printed using D2h files.

As others have said, AF speed and accuracy and built is top notch even in today's standards.

One of Nikon's best IMHO. I remember my fascination with it after upgrading from a D1h.

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I have a Nikon D2H as a back up to my D3S.  Works for me.

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