This doesn't seem sharp to me...

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Glen Barrington
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Re: So apply a bit of pp....
In reply to Dylan Johnson, Jun 5, 2013

CaptiVision Photography wrote:

Tony Sx wrote:

This took all of 5 seconds...

Can I ask what PP you did?

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Many editors have a selective soft focus filter.  Most of them work pretty well.

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I merely applied sharpening...
In reply to Dylan Johnson, Jun 5, 2013
 

... a tool available in just about every available post processing software. And I don't think it enhances your original image one iota.

 
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Re: Stunningly sharp.
In reply to Richard, Jun 5, 2013

exactly. That is how thin the Depth of field is at f2.8 and that focal length.

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On the edge of the blue cap, you can see the threads, so what happened here was missed focus.

There may be some setting to get better focus, I don't know. There is a setting in the 7d which adjusts the speed in which it tries to refocus, not sure if the 50d has it. There is also going to be a number of misses.

The reason you get a better camera like a 7d or a 1d is the focus is better and in action shots, the number of keepers increases, as you go down the line to the digital rebels, the number of keepers decreases.

CaptiVision Photography wrote:

I took this image with my Canon 50d, in AI SERVO, center focus point and my 70-200 f2.8 IS, with a flash.

1/1000, f2.8, iso 100, 165mm. No PP, straight out of the camera.

Nailed the focus pretty much right between the eyes. He was just on a swing moving back and forth. It doesnt seem sharp, his face seems out of focus to me even though the focus point was smack in the middle of his face.

What do you think?

This is a cropped version of his face.

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Re: I merely applied sharpening... (n/t)
In reply to Tony Sx, Jun 5, 2013

Tony Sx wrote:

When I was first editing it I tried applying sharpening in LR but it didnt do anything like you did to it

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Cute shot, who cares about "perfect" focus?
In reply to Dylan Johnson, Jun 6, 2013

CaptiVision Photography wrote:

I took this image with my Canon 50d, in AI SERVO, center focus point and my 70-200 f2.8 IS, with a flash.

1/1000, f2.8, iso 100, 165mm. No PP, straight out of the camera.

Nailed the focus pretty much right between the eyes. He was just on a swing moving back and forth. It doesnt seem sharp, his face seems out of focus to me even though the focus point was smack in the middle of his face.

What do you think?

This is a cropped version of his face.

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Really enjoyed this shot - except perhaps for the unfortunate cutting of the ends of the fingers of the right hand.  It is cute, it tells a story, there is a mood to it, ou name it - it "works" for me.

(1) Do I see the eyes in perfect focus?  Nope, they're not.  The top of the hat is in better "perfect" focus - likely helped by much better lighting vs the shade over the face.

(2) Does the lack of "perfect" focus ruin the shot?  Not for me.  If I knew how to do such things in PP, I might decide to lessen the brightness on the hat and perhaps also on the boy's right shoulder.

(3) user error?  You do say that you focused between the eyes.  When there is such shallow DOF I thin you have to be very careful - the tip of the nose seems in better focus.  I'm not saying that I would have done better, but in similar circumstances I tend to set a single focus point on just one eye.

(4) finally, I'm not a Canon expert but it might just be that the 50D isn't really able to track focus in such circumstances with relatively low light levels on the subject and such shallow DOF.  But again, you'd have to ask Canon experts.

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Re: This doesn't seem sharp to me...
In reply to Dylan Johnson, Jun 6, 2013

Did you try applying a light USM or other sharpening?

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Re: This doesn't seem sharp to me...
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I was able to get it to where I wanted it in PP, I also used a flash for this shot or else his face would have even really dark, the sun was behind him. He was moving back and forth so yeah it may have also been the 50d's AF ability in AI Servo - not sure how it compares to say a 7d. But either way I'm really happy I have pictures of my boy so happy, there were others where he was really smiling
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Wrong focus position selected!
In reply to Dylan Johnson, Jun 7, 2013

CaptiVision Photography wrote:

I took this image with my Canon 50d, in AI SERVO, center focus point and my 70-200 f2.8 IS, with a flash.

You focused on the nose while in portrait photography you must go for the eyes if sharpness is on your mind!

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Re: Wrong focus position selected!
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CaptiVision Photography wrote:

I took this image with my Canon 50d, in AI SERVO, center focus point and my 70-200 f2.8 IS, with a flash.

You focused on the nose while in portrait photography you must go for the eyes if sharpness is on your mind!

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I'm pretty sure I got as close as possible to the eye but since he was moving it throw my focus off slightly
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Re: This doesn't seem sharp to me...
In reply to Dylan Johnson, Jun 7, 2013

CaptiVision Photography wrote:

I was able to get it to where I wanted it in PP, I also used a flash for this shot or else his face would have even really dark, the sun was behind him. He was moving back and forth so yeah it may have also been the 50d's AF ability in AI Servo - not sure how it compares to say a 7d. But either way I'm really happy I have pictures of my boy so happy, there were others where he was really smiling
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Hmm, yeah, could be.  In the end though, like you said - you got pictures of your son being happy and that's really the important thing!

Perhaps set the ISO a little higher next time and stop down a bit more (without slowing down the shutter too much) - which will give you more of a buffer for AF misses.

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Re: This doesn't seem sharp to me ...
In reply to Dylan Johnson, Jun 7, 2013

At 1 Meter Camera to Subject Distance, DOF would have been around 4mm. (16mm at 2 meters).

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