How important is the D?

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JVPhotography
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How important is the D?
Jun 3, 2013

I'm considering buying a non D lens but will shoot matrix metering and flash with it almost 100% of the time.

Is this a bad idea?

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My older 50 f 1.8 is a non-D lens. It doesn't give your camera distance information, or your flash either. But it will AF just fine.

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Makes no sense at all.
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JVPhotography wrote:

I'm considering buying a non D lens but will shoot matrix metering and flash with it almost 100% of the time.

Is this a bad idea?

Why do you want a non-D lens for matrix metering of all things and flash?? Are you just trying to get reactions or something?

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Makes perfect sense. There were some wonderful optics long before D was introduced.

I don't believe any of the 3rd party lenses have the distance information, but maybe I am wrong?

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I shot my 85F1.8 AF (non-D) and (a lot less often) my 50F1.8 AF (non-D) for over 15 years.   The 85 got used a pretty fair amount with flash.

I can't say I've ever seen a shot that came out 'wrong' because of lack of D info.

The D-related info (distance) is, in my opinion, only used in a rare circumstance with flash to help determine the flash power to be used on a subject, probably when there is some very reflective element or perhaps back lighting involved.

Matrix metering works fine with AF lenses.   So does flash, 99.9% of the time.

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I worried a bit a about non-D" withthe Zeiss 100/2.
In reply to JVPhotography, Jun 3, 2013

JVPhotography wrote:

I'm considering buying a non D lens but will shoot matrix metering and flash with it almost 100% of the time.

Is this a bad idea?

HI!

I had this same concern before I got the Carl Zeiss 100/2 ZF Makro, but finally got it, figuring I'd try some way to deal with the non-D issue and flash.

In practice, it's never been a problem for me. This was heavily back lit:

Nikon D3 ,Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar T* 2/100 ZF ,SB-900
1/2000s f/2.8 at 100.0mm iso200

Best Regards,

RB

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JVPhotography wrote:

Makes perfect sense. There were some wonderful optics long before D was introduced.

So tell me, which wonderful optics were there, that did not re-appear as D version?

I don't believe any of the 3rd party lenses have the distance information, but maybe I am wrong?

You are wrong.

And it still makes no sense at all, saying you are going to get a non-D and then only shoot it with matrix metering and flash.

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Re: I worried a bit a about non-D" withthe Zeiss 100/2.
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The "C" lenses seem to do just fine...

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there is no difference
In reply to RBFresno, Jun 4, 2013

The only difference is the letter (D)

If you remove the letter from a (D) lens, and add that letter to a non D lens, no one can find out which one is which, even Nikon experts.

i-TTL uses pre flashes to calculate the exposure, no D needed.

Use a D lens and a none D lens in any situation, and tell me if you find any difference in exposure.

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bakhtyar kurdi wrote:

The only difference is the letter (D)

If you remove the letter from a (D) lens, and add that letter to a non D lens, no one can find out which one is which, even Nikon experts.

i-TTL uses pre flashes to calculate the exposure, no D needed.

Use a D lens and a none D lens in any situation, and tell me if you find any difference in exposure.

The D lens were for the time of the 'old' TTL flash.... and still, for most occasions, there was no difference whatsoever...

It was more like a marketing gimmick, real World difference was null or minimal...

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D can fine tune matrix exposure in some situations by up to about 0.75 stops - e.g. long focus distance low contrast scenes usually works better with slight under exposure.

Assuming you are digital often there is time to check the histogram and make any adjustment you think might produce a better result.

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A quick hijack, I still have a couple of pre D lens  bought at the time of the F4, when AF ing the lens the manual focus ring rotates, was there a later version of the pre D lens where this did not happen or was the next upgrade straight to the D versions ? They both work perfectly but the rotating manual focus ring means being careful when holding the lens.

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Rotating manual focus has nothing to do with D

I have D and non D version of the same lens both rotating

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I have a 24 mm and a 85 mm non-D versions, no problem with metering and/or flash.

And a lot cheaper !

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JVPhotography wrote:

I'm considering buying a non D lens but will shoot matrix metering and flash with it almost 100% of the time.

Is this a bad idea?

I have compared the 80-200/2.8 AF non-D vs the D version, with and without flash, with various subjects. I literally saw 0 difference in focus accuracy  (other than the D being a little faster thanks to a slight mechanical update), metering, and flash exposure. Don't worry about going with non-D lenses.

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I have five pre-D Nikkors. Although I use them rarely at present, I have not been able to see any difference with the D-Nikkors concerning the exposure or AF.

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bakhtyar kurdi wrote:

Rotating manual focus has nothing to do with D

Quite true; they are independent "features."  But in at least two cases, Nikon made significant design changes between the "D" and "non-D" versions of a lens.  The two I can think of are the 28mm f/2.8D (improved), and the 35-105mm f/3.5~4.5D (not so much).

In the latter case, I wouldn't be surprised if the behavior at issue also changed.

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In reply to JVPhotography, Jun 6, 2013

I have a nikon 35-70mm f2.8 non d lens and when I shoot with flash it seems to make a differance I use a sb-600 flash on a d7000 and I get better resaults when the flash is in the FP mode only (I turn off BL) the exposure is more consistent.

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JVPhotography wrote:

Makes perfect sense. There were some wonderful optics long before D was introduced.

So tell me, which wonderful optics were there, that did not re-appear as D version?

I don't believe any of the 3rd party lenses have the distance information, but maybe I am wrong?

You are wrong.

And it still makes no sense at all, saying you are going to get a non-D and then only shoot it with matrix metering and flash.

Maybe because it is cheaper? Just because it makes no sense to you doesn't mean your right.

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Art Jacks wrote:

A quick hijack, I still have a couple of pre D lens  bought at the time of the F4, when AF ing the lens the manual focus ring rotates, was there a later version of the pre D lens where this did not happen or was the next upgrade straight to the D versions ? They both work perfectly but the rotating manual focus ring means being careful when holding the lens.

ALSO, I think the AF nonD lens may not allow manual focus fine tuning when using the lens in AF mode....

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