To convert raw takes forever.

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Johnyguy
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Hi Everyone!

i got my 6D a couple days ago and so far i really like it alot ,after the 450D i had .

everyone says  to shot raw ok  i see why so i did  but when i convert the images to jpeg its takes forever, i use canon's own software came with the camera.

my laptop has  a i5 cpu with 4 gig ROM  ,  should be enough to deal with the files no?

am i doing something wrong here if i have lightroom would it be faster?

thanks for advises!

It takes awhile and your computer is a bit under powered, especially in RAM.

However, you might consider a change in work flow. Shoot dual and do all your image culling with camera generated JPEGs and then process the keepers from RAW.

It's a risky strategy, since much of what you cull out from the in camera JPEG may be recoverable from the RAW so you'll have to resist deleting images.

But it could shorten your time to results, for now.

Besides when i hire out for sports events everything I shoot is sold as the in camera JPEG sized and cropped as shot.

So while RAW rules, there's a benefit to learning to live with zero post as well.

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I use Lightroom 4.4 and shoot exclusively in RAW.  For my own work, I just select the ones I want to work on and do just about everything in LR.  I then just export the ones I want to use--size depending on the use.  If I print, I print the RAW images directly from LR.

If I shoot portraits for a client, it is too tedious to select the best ones.  So I ditch the ones that are obviously no good and do a quick edit, including cropping, on the rest.  I then export both the full res images and reduced res.  I am pretty sure that 160 images takes less than 20 minutes.

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DPP does RAW conversion using a second program that runs in the back ground.

You don't have to wait on the conversion to continue working in DPP or any other program.

When doing batch conversions you can break them up and have multiple conversions running at the same time.

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You are processing way bigger files now with a 6D over a 450D. I went 400D to 7D and noticed that even with an overclocked i7 3770K, 16GB of quick RAM and most of my key apps on SSD and images on a 7200rpm hard disk, RAW conversion with DPP takes a while. It's just one of those things

It's one of the reasons I'm not that fussed about a 40mp camera either!

It would be good if Canon could make DPP more efficient but I generally do my PP, set off a batch process and distract myself with other stuff while it converts. Read DPR for example!

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I only convert the images I'm going to use. The rest stay RAW. I view them on Canon Digital Photo Professional. Saves time and space.

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I only convert the images I'm going to use. The rest stay RAW. I view them on Canon Digital Photo Professional. Saves time and space.

Me too.

I find the raw conversion stage is the time where I separate the "definites" from the "maybes."
I don't convert them all, but I like to keep all of them for possible future use.

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I always shoot RAW so I can alter images later as needed, I guess when taking an image you wanna capture it in the best quality. I have been using Capture One for the last 6 years to convert my RAWS and find the software fast and reliable also pretty intuitive too, Photoshop RAW works well but I find Capture better for Batch processing images.

I only use Jpegs as proofs and usually my finished image will be a large Tiff file, Think about Digital Medium format images where it can take hours to process the huge files!

You soon learn to become more selective with Raws in editing to save on processing time.

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First, check the setup of your Windows. Turn off all the fancy effects. Set the swap file (Pagefile.sys; virtual memory file) to the same size as your physical RAM size for both lower and upper limits (same size for both).

Reboot your computer.

How long is it since you defragmented your HDD?

UltraDefrag is good from here:

http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/en/index.html?download

I only ever use the stable releases. I have used it for years on XP Pro/Home, Vista Enterprise/Home Premium, Win7 Pro/Home - 32 and 64 bit. Never had a problem yet.

Do an ANALYZE first so that you know what your starting point is.

Run the DEFRAG. Then run a FULL OPTIMISE.

Should make your laptop run a lot faster.

Hope this helps.

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You already have some good info: more RAM, SSD, better software. Might even be time for a more powerful machine.

Using CS6 on my PC or laptop, I'm typically getting RAW conversion and save times of two-three seconds, unless I've corrected perspective, which adds a couple of seconds.

This is a timely thread.  Just yesterday I upgraded from an older laptop with ~ 2Ghz duel core processor + 6GB RAM that would overheat and shut down with every few RAW conversions to a desktop with ~ 4 Ghz 6 core AMD processor + 10GB RAM and the result is night and day. This new machine blows me away how fast it is and how it can multitask.  I use LR4 and/or Photo Ninja.  With my new system I now qualify both programs as extremely fast.  Previously, I considered LR4 a bit sluggish and bloated.  Conversion takes a second or two and saving a 15MB file takes a fraction of a second, it seems.

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Congrats! A new machine is a real joy. Does it have a SSD? I cloned and swapped out my original HD for a SSD and it made a HUGE difference. I shot a video on the project, though the sound is wretched:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO3PRCeAAgM&feature=youtube_gdata

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In reply to Johnyguy, Jun 2, 2013

Johnyguy wrote:

Timbukto wrote:

Johnyguy wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

Johnyguy wrote:

dprsok wrote:

A 64-bit OS will help as well.  Lightroom 4 requires Windows 7 or Vista.

64-bit OS thats what I got,and I just ordered 8 gig  memory upgrade for my laptop.

You never stated what "forever" means?  How long to convert to an image format?

And you should know that laptops are generally designed not to be high performing computers so their battery life will last longer.  If you want a good performing computer, it needs to be a desktop that runs off power from the wall and not off a battery.

You have a point ,

What i ment forever is for 160 pictures toke 20 min.

RAM and SSD will not do much.  Harddrives have no issues with linear read/write speeds of large files...its the one thing they are actually better at than SSD.

For what reason do you feel the need to convert 160 RAWs to 160 full size-jpegs?  Did you really go through and spend time doing PP work on 160 pictures?  That would take longer than 20 minutes.

How do you do it when you go out to shot than go home ,and you looking at the pictures ,you don't convert all the shots ,what  you keep just leave it raw on the computer?

No what I did I  added  sharpness to all at once  than converted them.

Everyone says shot raw ,so i try to get most out of the camera. But I do realize that if you nail the picture at the first place than no need to make too many adjustment.

Jpeg looks good too already I'm using custom picture style with sharpness at 8.

Thanks for any tips.

I Agree with what timbukto said.   I will add though that if you are shooting that many pictures in one trip you are the perfect candidate for Lightroom.   It will allow quickly sort through and pick the keepers so you can toss the rest as well as easily organize all those photos.  Plus if you have shot a bunch of images under similar conditions it is likely many of the adjustments you'll want to do will be the same for several or maybe all the images.  Lightroom  lets you make a change to one photo and apply it the many others simultaneously.  This can save you a lot of time.

If you are just going to convert the raw image straight to jpeg without editing it you might as well just shoot jpeg.  What the Canon software is doing is applying the same changes it would have made to the jpeg if you were shooting jpegs only to the raw file when you open it.  That is why it looks the same as when you shoot jpeg.  You haven't even scratched the surface of what a raw file will allow you to do.   Shooting jpeg is like shooting an instant Polaroid and shooting raw is like shooting with 35mm negative film and developing and editing it in the darkroom.   When you shoot raw you can chose how much contrast, sharpness, noise reduction, saturation, ect the image has as well as change the white balance after you have shot the image.  With jpeg the camera chooses all of that and you can't really change it much without degrading the file.

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In reply to Johnyguy, Jun 2, 2013

Johnyguy wrote:

Timbukto wrote:

Johnyguy wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

Johnyguy wrote:

dprsok wrote:

A 64-bit OS will help as well.  Lightroom 4 requires Windows 7 or Vista.

64-bit OS thats what I got,and I just ordered 8 gig  memory upgrade for my laptop.

You never stated what "forever" means?  How long to convert to an image format?

And you should know that laptops are generally designed not to be high performing computers so their battery life will last longer.  If you want a good performing computer, it needs to be a desktop that runs off power from the wall and not off a battery.

You have a point ,

What i ment forever is for 160 pictures toke 20 min.

RAM and SSD will not do much.  Harddrives have no issues with linear read/write speeds of large files...its the one thing they are actually better at than SSD.

For what reason do you feel the need to convert 160 RAWs to 160 full size-jpegs?  Did you really go through and spend time doing PP work on 160 pictures?  That would take longer than 20 minutes.

How do you do it when you go out to shot than go home ,and you looking at the pictures ,you don't convert all the shots ,what  you keep just leave it raw on the computer?

No what I did I  added  sharpness to all at once  than converted them.

Everyone says shot raw ,so i try to get most out of the camera. But I do realize that if you nail the picture at the first place than no need to make too many adjustment.

Jpeg looks good too already I'm using custom picture style with sharpness at 8.

Thanks for any tips.

Also it seems like you are just shooting raw because you were told to without really understanding why you would want to.   I think you should read this and decided for yourself if you really need to be shooting raw or not.

http://photographylife.com/raw-vs-jpeg

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In reply to Johnyguy, Jun 2, 2013

Not being snide. Go to an all RAW workflow to review and edit, only convert the ones you really like.

Remember, unless you're documenting a family get together, only about 1-10% of anyone's photos are worthwhile. Only process the best.

http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/

Fastpictureviewer will let you view, rate, and sort into folders all your RAW files very quickly.

Imatch will then import the raw images into its data base, using FPVer's rating, where you can organize them further.

Lightroom or photoshop will edit the RAW image directly before opening as a JPEG.

So, no need to convert until you find that one out a hundred image.

If you do want to convert every photo at your kids B-day party, you can just let a batch conversion go overnight.

I really have very few JPEGs on my computer. Only the best of the best.

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In reply to Josh152, Jun 2, 2013

Josh152 wrote:

Johnyguy wrote:

Timbukto wrote:

Johnyguy wrote:

RedFox88 wrote:

Johnyguy wrote:

dprsok wrote:

A 64-bit OS will help as well.  Lightroom 4 requires Windows 7 or Vista.

64-bit OS thats what I got,and I just ordered 8 gig  memory upgrade for my laptop.

You never stated what "forever" means?  How long to convert to an image format?

And you should know that laptops are generally designed not to be high performing computers so their battery life will last longer.  If you want a good performing computer, it needs to be a desktop that runs off power from the wall and not off a battery.

You have a point ,

What i ment forever is for 160 pictures toke 20 min.

RAM and SSD will not do much.  Harddrives have no issues with linear read/write speeds of large files...its the one thing they are actually better at than SSD.

For what reason do you feel the need to convert 160 RAWs to 160 full size-jpegs?  Did you really go through and spend time doing PP work on 160 pictures?  That would take longer than 20 minutes.

How do you do it when you go out to shot than go home ,and you looking at the pictures ,you don't convert all the shots ,what  you keep just leave it raw on the computer?

No what I did I  added  sharpness to all at once  than converted them.

Everyone says shot raw ,so i try to get most out of the camera. But I do realize that if you nail the picture at the first place than no need to make too many adjustment.

Jpeg looks good too already I'm using custom picture style with sharpness at 8.

Thanks for any tips.

I Agree with what timbukto said.   I will add though that if you are shooting that many pictures in one trip you are the perfect candidate for Lightroom.   It will allow quickly sort through and pick the keepers so you can toss the rest as well as easily organize all those photos.  Plus if you have shot a bunch of images under similar conditions it is likely many of the adjustments you'll want to do will be the same for several or maybe all the images.  Lightroom  lets you make a change to one photo and apply it the many others simultaneously.  This can save you a lot of time.

If you are just going to convert the raw image straight to jpeg without editing it you might as well just shoot jpeg.  What the Canon software is doing is applying the same changes it would have made to the jpeg if you were shooting jpegs only to the raw file when you open it.  That is why it looks the same as when you shoot jpeg.  You haven't even scratched the surface of what a raw file will allow you to do.   Shooting jpeg is like shooting an instant Polaroid and shooting raw is like shooting with 35mm negative film and developing and editing it in the darkroom.   When you shoot raw you can chose how much contrast, sharpness, noise reduction, saturation, ect the image has as well as change the white balance after you have shot the image.  With jpeg the camera chooses all of that and you can't really change it much without degrading the file.

Thanks for the input I'm going to get .lightroom .

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teseg wrote:

hotdog321 wrote:

You already have some good info: more RAM, SSD, better software. Might even be time for a more powerful machine.

Using CS6 on my PC or laptop, I'm typically getting RAW conversion and save times of two-three seconds, unless I've corrected perspective, which adds a couple of seconds.

This is a timely thread.  Just yesterday I upgraded from an older laptop with ~ 2Ghz duel core processor + 6GB RAM that would overheat and shut down with every few RAW conversions to a desktop with ~ 4 Ghz 6 core AMD processor + 10GB RAM and the result is night and day. This new machine blows me away how fast it is and how it can multitask.  I use LR4 and/or Photo Ninja.  With my new system I now qualify both programs as extremely fast.  Previously, I considered LR4 a bit sluggish and bloated.  Conversion takes a second or two and saving a 15MB file takes a fraction of a second, it seems.

My laptop has a i5 CPU 2.4gh with turbo boost,and 4 gig memory just ordered a 8 gig upgrade so will see it should speed things up.

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why you buy a 6D if you have no suitable program for this? And a powerful machine should also be present

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