2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

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ed2002 Regular Member • Posts: 254
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

Is there a henry's in vancouver, or do they ship to the US?  I'll be in vancouver in June and that is a great price

QuakeO OP Regular Member • Posts: 138
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QuakeO OP Regular Member • Posts: 138
Made my decision

I picked up the 14mm for $250 and got a "free" gf3 as a second body.

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Ulric Senior Member • Posts: 3,553
Re: Made my decision

QuakeO wrote:

I picked up the 14mm for $250 and got a "free" gf3 as a second body.

That's how I got my GF3! I like it so much that I use it more than the E-M5.

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Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7
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QuakeO wrote:

The Sigma lenses are now on sale in Canada for $130 each. The 20mm is $449 (or can be ordered from the US for $350 or so.

Go for pancake and 1.7? For two focal lengths?

A better way to put the question: one excellent lens or two mediocre lenses?

I'd go for one excellent lens.

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QuakeO OP Regular Member • Posts: 138
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

I found your review very helpful. I ended up getting the 30mm, and the pan 14mm which came with a body. That way the family walking kit has expanded to an EPL5, GF3, 14mm, 30mm, and 40-140mm. That's pretty good coverage and quality at a good price, I think!

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Alumna Gorp Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

QuakeO wrote:

I found your review very helpful. I ended up getting the 30mm, and the pan 14mm which came with a body. That way the family walking kit has expanded to an EPL5, GF3, 14mm, 30mm, and 40-140mm. That's pretty good coverage and quality at a good price, I think!

A lot of those 14mm lenses are cheaper bought in kits

The 14 and the 30 is a good choice.

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amalric
amalric Forum Pro • Posts: 10,839
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

Alumna Gorp wrote:

QuakeO wrote:

I found your review very helpful. I ended up getting the 30mm, and the pan 14mm which came with a body. That way the family walking kit has expanded to an EPL5, GF3, 14mm, 30mm, and 40-140mm. That's pretty good coverage and quality at a good price, I think!

A lot of those 14mm lenses are cheaper bought in kits

The 14 and the 30 is a good choice.

And so is the 19mm, which sits in the middle.

Am.

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Jere Landis Senior Member • Posts: 1,774
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

How would a prime force you to do anything but be limited to a single focal length. I've heard this bs forever and that is what it is bs.

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Jere Landis Senior Member • Posts: 1,774
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

Amen, Amen, how true,you are so right on with this post. I'm so tired of hearing how a lens can force you to do this and do that, I'm sick to my stomach with it. I've even heard it said a prime lens will make you a better photographer, WHAT RUBBISH. I've had several primes, including the 20, it's a one trick pony and nothing else. I sold mine and don't miss it. If you shoot in the dark, you could use one,PERHAPS. I did pick up the Sigmas when on sale, both for $199.

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Alumna Gorp Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

amalric wrote:

Alumna Gorp wrote:

QuakeO wrote:

I found your review very helpful. I ended up getting the 30mm, and the pan 14mm which came with a body. That way the family walking kit has expanded to an EPL5, GF3, 14mm, 30mm, and 40-140mm. That's pretty good coverage and quality at a good price, I think!

A lot of those 14mm lenses are cheaper bought in kits

The 14 and the 30 is a good choice.

And so is the 19mm, which sits in the middle.

Am.

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It sure is, I use the 14mm, 19mm and 45mm, my next prime will more than likely be the Sigma 60mm, and I will pass on the 30mm.

We are all different

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tomtom50 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,244
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7
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ed2002 wrote:

Is there a henry's in vancouver, or do they ship to the US?  I'll be in vancouver in June and that is a great price

Henry's ships to the US. Everything Olympus is cheaper, I just bought an EPL-5 and the Sigmas and a 40-150 and aVF-3. All told saved $250 over US prices.

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amalric
amalric Forum Pro • Posts: 10,839
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

Alumna Gorp wrote:

amalric wrote:

Alumna Gorp wrote:

QuakeO wrote:

I found your review very helpful. I ended up getting the 30mm, and the pan 14mm which came with a body. That way the family walking kit has expanded to an EPL5, GF3, 14mm, 30mm, and 40-140mm. That's pretty good coverage and quality at a good price, I think!

A lot of those 14mm lenses are cheaper bought in kits

The 14 and the 30 is a good choice.

And so is the 19mm, which sits in the middle.

Am.

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It sure is, I use the 14mm, 19mm and 45mm, my next prime will more than likely be the Sigma 60mm, and I will pass on the 30mm.

We are all different

Nevertheless it is important to defeat lens snobism. Those lenses are a steal.

Unless you are a bokeh maniac, with a high sensitivity sensor what matters is their resolution wide open, which compares with the best, at a fraction of the price.

Sigma has also increased quality control, to avoid sample variation - I read.

Am.

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Pic Man Senior Member • Posts: 1,308
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7
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amalric wrote:

Alumna Gorp wrote:

amalric wrote:

Alumna Gorp wrote:

QuakeO wrote:

I found your review very helpful. I ended up getting the 30mm, and the pan 14mm which came with a body. That way the family walking kit has expanded to an EPL5, GF3, 14mm, 30mm, and 40-140mm. That's pretty good coverage and quality at a good price, I think!

A lot of those 14mm lenses are cheaper bought in kits

The 14 and the 30 is a good choice.

And so is the 19mm, which sits in the middle.

Am.

-- hide signature --

It sure is, I use the 14mm, 19mm and 45mm, my next prime will more than likely be the Sigma 60mm, and I will pass on the 30mm.

We are all different

Nevertheless it is important to defeat lens snobism. Those lenses are a steal.

Unless you are a bokeh maniac, with a high sensitivity sensor what matters is their resolution wide open, which compares with the best, at a fraction of the price.

Sigma has also increased quality control, to avoid sample variation - I read.

Am.

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It's not lens snobism (at least not for everyone). I have a 25 f1.4. It's not just about resolution or even bokeh (although the shallower DOF is nice to have). You can get a significantly faster shutter speed in low light with a f1.4 or even f1.7 than f2.8. The simple fact of the matter is, your paying for the speed. One lens is not better value than the other. Also to say the sigma lenses are a steal depends on your perspective. If you own a panasonic camera you may think that the wide end of the kit zoom is close enough in speed and has OIS. The 19mm might just be a waste of money.

amalric
amalric Forum Pro • Posts: 10,839
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

Pic Man wrote:

amalric wrote:

Alumna Gorp wrote:

amalric wrote:

Alumna Gorp wrote:

QuakeO wrote:

I found your review very helpful. I ended up getting the 30mm, and the pan 14mm which came with a body. That way the family walking kit has expanded to an EPL5, GF3, 14mm, 30mm, and 40-140mm. That's pretty good coverage and quality at a good price, I think!

A lot of those 14mm lenses are cheaper bought in kits

The 14 and the 30 is a good choice.

And so is the 19mm, which sits in the middle.

Am.

-- hide signature --

It sure is, I use the 14mm, 19mm and 45mm, my next prime will more than likely be the Sigma 60mm, and I will pass on the 30mm.

We are all different

Nevertheless it is important to defeat lens snobism. Those lenses are a steal.

Unless you are a bokeh maniac, with a high sensitivity sensor what matters is their resolution wide open, which compares with the best, at a fraction of the price.

Sigma has also increased quality control, to avoid sample variation - I read.

Am.

-- hide signature --

It's not lens snobism (at least not for everyone). I have a 25 f1.4. It's not just about resolution or even bokeh (although the shallower DOF is nice to have). You can get a significantly faster shutter speed in low light with a f1.4 or even f1.7 than f2.8. The simple fact of the matter is, your paying for the speed. One lens is not better value than the other. Also to say the sigma lenses are a steal depends on your perspective. If you own a panasonic camera you may think that the wide end of the kit zoom is close enough in speed and has OIS. The 19mm might just be a waste of money.

Can't you even read? I mentioned HIGH sensitivity sensors, which offset the need of large apertures, by raising automatically the ISO.

Therefore no need of fast, but POOR RESOLUTION lenses at max aperture, like the PL, for FIVE times the price of the Sigma - LOL!

Conversely at 2.8 the PL and the Sigma have the same resolution, so go talk about the waste of money...

Am.

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Pic Man Senior Member • Posts: 1,308
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

amalric wrote:

Pic Man wrote:

amalric wrote:

Alumna Gorp wrote:

amalric wrote:

Alumna Gorp wrote:

QuakeO wrote:

I found your review very helpful. I ended up getting the 30mm, and the pan 14mm which came with a body. That way the family walking kit has expanded to an EPL5, GF3, 14mm, 30mm, and 40-140mm. That's pretty good coverage and quality at a good price, I think!

A lot of those 14mm lenses are cheaper bought in kits

The 14 and the 30 is a good choice.

And so is the 19mm, which sits in the middle.

Am.

-- hide signature --

It sure is, I use the 14mm, 19mm and 45mm, my next prime will more than likely be the Sigma 60mm, and I will pass on the 30mm.

We are all different

Nevertheless it is important to defeat lens snobism. Those lenses are a steal.

Unless you are a bokeh maniac, with a high sensitivity sensor what matters is their resolution wide open, which compares with the best, at a fraction of the price.

Sigma has also increased quality control, to avoid sample variation - I read.

Am.

-- hide signature --

It's not lens snobism (at least not for everyone). I have a 25 f1.4. It's not just about resolution or even bokeh (although the shallower DOF is nice to have). You can get a significantly faster shutter speed in low light with a f1.4 or even f1.7 than f2.8. The simple fact of the matter is, your paying for the speed. One lens is not better value than the other. Also to say the sigma lenses are a steal depends on your perspective. If you own a panasonic camera you may think that the wide end of the kit zoom is close enough in speed and has OIS. The 19mm might just be a waste of money.

Can't you even read? I mentioned HIGH sensitivity sensors, which offset the need of large apertures, by raising automatically the ISO.

Which in turn reduces the IQ whatever sensor you have. Sure you can shoot at ISO 3200 but I'd rather shoot at ISO 800.

Therefore no need of fast, but POOR RESOLUTION lenses at max aperture, like the PL, for FIVE times the price of the Sigma - LOL!

But at least it goes to 1.4. It gets much sharper as you stop down even a little and it's still not bad at 1.4. It's not five times the price where I'm from, 3 maybe. Still rather have the 25 and a kit zoom over 4 or 5 sigmas at different focal lengths.

Conversely at 2.8 the PL and the Sigma have the same resolution, so go talk about the waste of money...

Resolution isn't everything. I also didn't say it was a waste of money, I said it might be depending on what you own.

LOL, oh no wait it's not that funny.

Am.

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amalric
amalric Forum Pro • Posts: 10,839
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

Pic Man wrote: The 19mm might just be a waste of money.

Can't you even read? I mentioned HIGH sensitivity sensors, which offset the need of large apertures, by raising automatically the ISO.

Which in turn reduces the IQ whatever sensor you have. Sure you can shoot at ISO 3200 but I'd rather shoot at ISO 800.

Oh, you grasp the concept. Perhaps you'll slowly understand the implication of clean high ISO.

Therefore no need of fast, but POOR RESOLUTION lenses at max aperture, like the PL, for FIVE times the price of the Sigma - LOL!

But at least it goes to 1.4. It gets much sharper as you stop down even a little and it's still not bad at 1.4. It's not five times the price where I'm from, 3 maybe. Still rather have the 25 and a kit zoom over 4 or 5 sigmas at different focal lengths.

Conversely at 2.8 the PL and the Sigma have the same resolution, so go talk about the waste of money...

Resolution isn't everything. I also didn't say it was a waste of money, I said it might be depending on what you own.

I take pictures, I am not a collector or a braggart. YMMV

Am.

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Archiver Veteran Member • Posts: 3,455
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

No one else has mentioned this, but the Sigma lenses take a few seconds to 'come online' after you start the camera.  On my EM-5 they take three seconds to boot up properly and allow me to shoot, which can often mean losing a spontaneous shot.  The newer m43 lenses from Olympus and Panasonic fire up the second the camera is ready.  I have been told this is because the camera must 'index' the autofocus mechanism each time it starts, and the linear motor design of the Sigma lenses makes this take longer than other lenses.

Apart from that, I find them very reliable and of excellent image quality, exceeding the expected quality for their price.

Just something to be aware of when making a decision.

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amalric
amalric Forum Pro • Posts: 10,839
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

Are you sure that you updated the FW? Because with my samples I have no problem at all. The startup is hardly longer than the camera's itself.

Am.

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Jere Landis Senior Member • Posts: 1,774
Re: 2 Sigmas (19&30), or 20mm 1.7

Amalric

Never thought you and I would  totally agree about something, but this is it. You are 100% correct on this subject and I concur. Can't stand lens snobs, sorry but it's true. I'm glad I agree with you.

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