When size matters (D800 pixel count)

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Lance B
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In reply to romfordbluenose, May 23, 2013

romfordbluenose wrote:

CraigBennett wrote:

dantastical wrote:

I suppose it depends what type of photography you do - if youre a birder then cropping might be important, although frankly if you cant afford lenses to give the reach you want then the d7100 will do better than cropping on the d800.

Personally I generally shoot landscapes so cropping is not important, and I'll often do panos anyway so my d600 is as good IQ wise as anything except d3x.

It is very important for event photographers.  I easily get two distinct photographs from one now using the D800e.  Never could do that with the Fuji S2 Pro, Nikon D1x, D2x, and D90.

Bottom line, we are blessed with some recent cameras...D600, D4, D7100, D800, etc.  All have features that were unheard of just a few years ago.  It's a shame we feel a need to bash one over the other.

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I think the D7100, D600 and D800 are all great cameras. I just chose the D800 for reasons which are personal to me. There's no reason to knock any of them at all.

Sensible post. Something lacking in many of the attention seeking threads and posts that we endure here.

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to larrywilson, May 23, 2013

No answers, so by my calculations if a person crops 60% it will produce a good print at 250 pixels per inch for a print of 8" X 12".  The idea of showing images on the internet at 100% means little to me.  I can use a lower pixel sensor camera and do the same.

Yes a well focused image can be cropped using the 250 pixels per inch as a guide for printing different size prints.

See, I answered my own question haha!!!  I think?

Larry

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to larrywilson, May 23, 2013

All those wonderful extra pixels are free.    The D800 costs no more than any other good camera!

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to Reilly Diefenbach, May 24, 2013

Reilly Diefenbach wrote:

dantastical wrote:

I suppose it depends what type of photography you do - if youre a birder then cropping might be important, although frankly if you cant afford lenses to give the reach you want then the d7100 will do better than cropping on the d800.

I would say nay to that.  The D800e cropped a bit smokes the D7100 for clean and sharp, with a lot less noise and way fewer artifacts to deal with, especially as you get up over ISO 400 or so.  The D7100 is only really good at very low ISO.

In my experience, you also lose much of the IQ advantage that allows the croppability of the D800E once you get much above ISO 400-800.  I have a D800E and a D4 and once the ISO needs to start ticking up above those levels, I find the D4 to be a much better camera - but at ISO 100, the D800E is unmatched (and is quite good to ISO 6400 as long as you don't need to crop).

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to jjnik, May 24, 2013

I love the images that have been coming out of my D800. If I have to worry about large files taking up storage space, I shouldn't have bought the camera. Storage is cheap compared to the cost of the camera and I don't mind buying another 1T storage drive when I have to.

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to Vettori, May 24, 2013

Without the massive croppability, I would have lost my arm getting this shot.

Oh, wait. I don't have a D800...

Guess I got lucky.

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to digitalman4242, May 24, 2013

digitalman4242 wrote:

Nice.  But is it worth paying for and having your files be huge? How often will most people use a crop like that?  Most people would rather have a few less megapixels and a little more low light/high iso capability.

You don't get better high iso. I have both the d600 and the final iso performance is about the same with the same size image.

File sizeis fine to me. Definitely doable with current memory cards hard drives and computers. The next round of sixe upgrades for those will make the issue trivial.

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to Vettori, May 24, 2013

I never used to crop before but I found I quickly got into the habit with the D800.

I also use DX mode for some subjects like aircraft in flight. I find that the D800 in DX mode is at least as good as my D300, with an extra 4MPix

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to digitalman4242, May 24, 2013

digitalman4242 wrote:

Nice.  But is it worth paying for and having your files be huge? How often will most people use a crop like that?  Most people would rather have a few less megapixels and a little more low light/high iso capability.

This crop of the squirrel is just an example, I'll never crop that much and print (maybe for the web it's still good).

However it frequently happens that I crop 50% or more when I do macro shots since part of the frame is 'consumed' by the min focus distance. And I still get around 15-20Mpx !

File size isn't a problem unless you have an old computer; drive space is cheap and if your computer has enough ram file size is not an issue.

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to 69chevy, May 24, 2013

69chevy wrote:

Without the massive croppability, I would have lost my arm getting this shot.

Oh, wait. I don't have a D800...

Guess I got lucky.

Either this is stuffed or you were not using a 105, correct ? 

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to Franglais91, May 24, 2013

I agree with the OP.

I don't mind the file size at all, and I love the ability to crop with the D800.

I also think it is good in low light but I have a D3s so I can have both if I want!!:-D

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$2700 camera to deliver poststamp picture...
In reply to Vettori, May 24, 2013

an achievement? not to me, sorray...

notwithstanding capabilities of D800, but this example wouldn't be a good selling point for this camera...

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to Vettori, May 24, 2013

Another (more interesting) crop example (full frame is resized, crop is 100%). From 36Mpx to 5Mpx.

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In reply to Vettori, May 24, 2013

What size of a high quality print could you get out of this?  Looks good on a computer, but in a print of reasonable size, say an 8 X 12?

Larry

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to larrywilson, May 24, 2013

larrywilson wrote:

What size of a high quality print could you get out of this?  Looks good on a computer, but in a print of reasonable size, say an 8 X 12?

Larry

At 300dpi (typical resolution for printed photos) you can go a little more than 6x9.

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to larrywilson, May 24, 2013

If we are comparing the D800 cropability with the D700, then the side length pixel ratio is 1.73.

This means that you can crop by that factor more with the D800.  For the same number of pixels on a bird, say, a 200mm lens on the D800 will be equivalent to a 346mm lens on the D700.

There is nothing magical here, simple physics but nonetheless, quite a step up in the amount of cropping possible.

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Re: When size matters (D800 pixel count)
In reply to digitalman4242, May 24, 2013

digitalman4242 wrote:

Nice.  But is it worth paying for and having your files be huge? How often will most people use a crop like that?  Most people would rather have a few less megapixels and a little more low light/high iso capability.

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In reply to Vettori, May 24, 2013

Vettori wrote:

Look at this crop, I was using the 105 micro when this little guy caught my attention. The time to grab the 70-200 and it vanished.

It's nice to have such a crop capability, what do you think ?

Maybe nice to have - but in this situation a D7100 (or even D5200) with the same lens would have got you even more.

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In reply to Vettori, May 25, 2013

There is nothing in this shot that you could not have gotten with the D700 and upsizing. The smallest detail is several pixels large and the noise and the weird artifacts ruin the crop.

Which does not mean the higher pixel count is not good for cropping - it is, but this is a poor evidence of that.

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In reply to Just another Canon shooter, May 25, 2013

This is a little different twist for making good use of a D800 cropped.  I shoot commercial/ corporate and occasionally some corporate events.  I thought my D800 would be the worst body for an event however, it has become my first choice.  I use a 24 - 70 in DX mode which works for just fine for about 90% of what I'm doing and files are a good size and not overkill.  If suddenly someone needs a large group photographed or I need a wide view of something, I switch to FX which is much faster than changing lenses not to mention those extra pixels that I get for all those additional faces.  I love this system and I'm considering another D800 to replace my D3.  There was a time when I thought I would never need DX mode, but I'm very glad I have it now.

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