So... I'm all but convinced that I'm going D800

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Re: A few D800 and 16-35 shots....
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Love the combo.

Hope this helps.

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Roman...

I've been an admirer of your work for years and I noticed that you yourself recently added the D800 to your bag (I loved the waterfall Long Exposure from inside the cave... WOW).  I will likely add the 14-24 to my bag one day... but I think for what and how I will be shooting, I will start with the 16-35 as most of you have said.  I want to get some primes too, but I have to start some place.

Someone encouraged me to keep my 90mm Tamron and I really want to because I like to shoot Macro from time to time, but it's been very rare of late.  I was honestly thinking of keeping the D80 and the 90mm Tamron in my car (because you just never know when you will want a camera), but I'd be doubling what the 85 1.8 will do for me (except for macro) and this is a hobby for me.  I've had people offer to pay me for my work but I am not a pro and wouldn't want to take advantage of anyone.   Maybe one day, but for now... not so much.

I just want to be able to get some really great landscape captures with the D800 and I see that the 16-35 is going to give me that ability!  I would love to have the 14-24 in my bag, but it's a big chunk of money!  One day... yes, but for now... the 16-35 is going to find a home in my bag!

I'm still very interested comments on lenses for the D800, but I'm now settled on the 16-35 and the D800 (no more 'all but settled')

Roman... thank you (and everyone) for your post!  The proof of the pudding is in the eating and clearly, the 16-35 delivers!  Thanks for showing me what the combination is capable of

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Re: So... I'm all but convinced that I'm going D800
In reply to msjhaffey, May 17, 2013

msjhaffey wrote:

Despite my current problems with my D800 (which I am sure are unusual) I have been delighted with mine.  I have the 85/1.8, which is excellent on the D800, 70-300, 24-70 and 14-24.

The 14-24 is spectacular.  Actually, so are the others.  So long as you don't want to fit a filter, there's no technical reason to avoid the 14-24 - there may be a financial one!

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I've come to learn that the financialone is the larger objection... I would love to see some shots taken with the 85 1.8... specifically... wide open or nearly that   I am really buying it for portrait work and I am curious to see what the DOF with the D800 combination will look like.  If you are able to post something... thanks in advance

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Re: So... I'm all but convinced that I'm going D800
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Some shots with my 10-20

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Re: So... I'm all but convinced that I'm going D800
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Tyym wrote:

Lance B wrote:

ultimitsu wrote:

Lance B wrote:

lost_in_utah wrote:

Saying you're all *but* convinced, in the English language, means you are everything *but* convinced that you're going to get it.

You could say, "I'm convinced that I'm going D800." That would make sense. Your sentence contradicts your action which confuses the educated reader. Semantically it is improper.

I have to disagree. When I first read his post, I understood fully where the OP was coming from and was surprised by your response as I have heard this idiom before and understood it the as the OP meant it. It does sound counter intuitive, but from my understanding of this idiom, it means that he is convinced almost to the point of absolution. Or, if you like, "all but" means "almost", therefore his meaning was he is "almost convinced I'm going to get the D800". See this example:

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/51597/all-but-convinced-as-a-way-of-saying-that-one-is-in-fact-convinced

I agree with utah that "all but convinced" does not mean complete convinced. It means very tempted, likely to believe, close to be convinced, but not quite convinced.

Utah is suggesting that the OP isnotconvinced in any way, he states: "means you are everything *but* convinced that you're going to get it.", in other words, he is suggesting that the OP has misused the idiom and is implying that he isnotgoing to get it.

What you are saying, and what I stated in my first response, are both in harmony, ie we both agree that the OP is "almost convinced" and that is exactly what the idiom means, ie "all but convinced" means all but the last bit convinced, or if you like "I am 99% convinced I am going to get the camera" and that "all but" part of the sentence is the 1% not convinced.

LOL... a lesson in diction, syntax and semantics on a camera forum  I love it...

So... to be clear...

I'm all but convinced  (I'm just shy of convinced)

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One should embrace the opportunity to improve his/her grammar and lexicon. After all, we're all here to help, but perhaps in different ways. Thanks for playing along, Tyym.

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Re: So... I'm all but convinced that I'm going D800
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Here's a friend of mine who visited with his wife a little while back.

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Re: So... I'm all but convinced that I'm going D800
In reply to Tyym, May 17, 2013

Good to hear, hope I've done all that I could to help you make your decision.

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In reply to Tyym, May 17, 2013

...but lately not so much a user.   Unfortunately, for a variety of reasons, it's becoming the classic 'Best lens I rarely use'.

I actually have had my D800e for a couple of months now and never yet mounted my 14-24 on it.   Partly that's because I have been shooting long (wildlife and zoo), due to the season, and partly because I just got a whole stable of new lenses and have been trying them all.

But the 14-24 has a couple of issues that really limit it's use for me.   None of them have anything to do with an 'exposed front element'.

The main reason the lens isn't getting used is due to its size and shape.  It's quite big around, and it takes up just that bit too much room in the bag, especially the waist bag that I almost always use.   It just doesn't fit.   I'm strongly considering leaving it at home next October when I go for a 3-week trip to Europe.  Or get a 16-35 or 18-35 as a wide angle travel lens.

The second reason is that it's just so freakin' wide.    You really need the right type of subject and background to make the best use of it.    Too often I attempt to use it where it's not suited and just get too much perspective distortion in the subject.   I'm not much of a wide shooter.

The third reason is that it's quite susceptible to flare.   I'd hate to see it without nano coating!   It has a tendency to sneakily pull in flare from the sun just outside the frame.    If you can shoot it on a tripod all the time, you could take the time to be sure the big front element is shaded, but one can't always do that.

It's a great lens.  I just don't shoot it much anymore.    Regardless of optical flaws in comparison, the 16-35vr seems a far more practical lens.

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Re: I'm a 14-24 owner
In reply to PHXAZCRAIG, May 17, 2013

If you're going to see any European architecture, a wide angle lens would be useful!  I love the 14-24 for this, but maybe the 16-35 will suit you better.

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Re: So... I'm all but convinced that I'm going D800
In reply to Tyym, May 18, 2013

I have a D800 and a 70-200mm f4.  Also purchased the 2x tele to try with it.  Results? In a word "awful".  Selling the 2x and thinking about the 300mm f4 with 1.4x tele, or potentially the new 80-400mm. IMHO forget the 2x tele.

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My choices will be: 24-70 on d800e at 24.   6.7-13mm on V1, if I buy it.   14-24 on d800e, if I carry it.  16-35f4 on D800e, if I buy it.

I'm leaning toward the 6.7-13mm lens on the V1 and just miss wider angle shots on DSLR.  Can't shoot everything.   I'm not sure it will be worth it to carry the 14-24 and then only get a few shots from it. especially if it means I don't carry something else.

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Re: I'm a 14-24 owner
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Europe without a 14-24 would be a no go for me :^)

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Re: I'm a 14-24 owner
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Reilly Diefenbach wrote:

Europe without a 14-24 would be a no go for me :^)

Heading there in 6 weeks. New D800 owner and I will be taking the Sigma 10-20 as I had not planned to buy the D800 till I got home from my 6 month work trip.

To the OP, the Sigma will give you a 15 meg DX Crop image on the D800. Nothing to sneeze about really

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jfw wrote:

I have a D800 and a 70-200mm f4.  Also purchased the 2x tele to try with it.  Results? In a word "awful".  Selling the 2x and thinking about the 300mm f4 with 1.4x tele, or potentially the new 80-400mm. IMHO forget the 2x tele.

I went on a photo shoot around London Zoo a couple of weeks ago and mainly used my 105 micro. About the right length for many shots and also for cloesups. I borrowed his Nikon 2* TC and was quite disappointed. I ended up shooting at f8 to keep the images sharp. He did say he much prefers his 1.4 TC.

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Re: I'm a 14-24 owner
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I would love it if my Sigma 10-20 weren't a DX lens  I love that little lens!

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In reply to Tyym, May 19, 2013

ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!!

I walked into a camera store yesterday and was talking with a PRO.  He flipped me on my head by offering me a D3 that was purchased by someone who had a ton of money and very little experience.  It has around 1000 actuations and is available for 2200.00 CDN.  I'm sooooo tempted to go for it, but I don't think it's what I want to do.  I think I'd still rather have the 800 for the work I want to use it for and then sell ALL of my DX stuff (thinking the 300s) and get the D3 as a back up system.  I really do want to do outdoor "bird in flight" kind of stuff and I know that the 800 is not necessarily brilliant for this purpose.... I also know that I could be happy with my 300s too.... I was going to buy a grip for the 300s yesterday and still might...

From everything I've seen, I love what the 800 can produce and I think the 600 will be too much of a compromise for what I want.  The 600 is a great camera and while appreciate what my friend has encouraged me with, the thought of the 800 is so much more appealing!  I have also seen what the camera can produce with the "right glass" and in the right hands... mine aren't the right hands just yet, but I am a willing student

Thanks to everyone who has replied.  Your help is very much appreciated!

Cheers,

Tim

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Reilly Diefenbach wrote:

Europe without a 14-24 would be a no go for me :^)

Right... I live here and we're all equiped with 14-24mm's

Well, maybe not then... but it's a nice lens also for interiors and architectural shots. It would have been nice if it had been able to go to 28-30-35mm for typical "city-photo-tourism walk around all day" usage also, but you can't get it all.

I used to take a 18-36mm equivalent for my DX body (12-24mm) for this usage, and I think if I had the 16-35mm too, I might sometimes bring that for this particular use as part of a two-lens setup (add some small tele too). Alternatively use a 35mm with the 14-24mm (it's a small additional lens to bring in your bag), or take a 24-70mm as a compromise. I could live with all of those options for this particular use.

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Re: So... I'm all but convinced that I'm going D800
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Thanks Sean... I bought the 85 1.8!

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Re: So... I'm all but convinced that I'm going D800
In reply to lost_in_utah, May 26, 2013

Saying you're all *but* convinced, in the English language, means you are everything *but* convinced that you're going to get it.

Just to stand up for the OP - his usage of "all but" was spot on. It does not mean "everything but" - which itself has no meaning at all as a set phrase in the English language.

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Teleboy wrote:

Saying you're all *but* convinced, in the English language, means you are everything *but* convinced that you're going to get it.

Just to stand up for the OP - his usage of "all but" was spot on. It does not mean "everything but" - which itself has no meaning at all as a set phrase in the English language.

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Funny - I just saw the exchange on this topic above!!

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