going full frame,,,just some silly questions...

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sandy42900
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going full frame,,,just some silly questions...
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till now have only 550d, with some good lens like tokina 11-16, canon 100-400, 50mm1.8 and canon 18-135, now i basically am an hobbiest photographer who travels a lot and love photography, so now i have made up my mind to go full frame as i miss the low light photography in the evenings on my travel. i have two options-

1) i buy a 5d mark-3 with kit lens (24-105),  and keep my 550 d as second body for wild life and birding as 100-400 will give me more reach and i can use my tokina also.

2) i go for 6D with kit lens (24-105) or if you guys strongly feel (24-70 f2.8) and replace my 550 D with 7D body only , that way  i can do some good birding and wildlife on my 7D and low light on my 6D.

3)sorry one more option , just stay put and wait for 7D mark 2...

would really appreciate some help

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sandy42900 wrote:

till now have only 550d, with some good lens like tokina 11-16, canon 100-400, 50mm1.8 and canon 18-135, now i basically am an hobbiest photographer who travels a lot and love photography, so now i have made up my mind to go full frame as i miss the low light photography in the evenings on my travel. i have two options-

1) i buy a 5d mark-3 with kit lens (24-105),  and keep my 550 d as second body for wild life and birding as 100-400 will give me more reach and i can use my tokina also.

This is the best choice if I were you.

2) i go for 6D with kit lens (24-105) or if you guys strongly feel (24-70 f2.8) and replace my 550 D with 7D body only , that way  i can do some good birding and wildlife on my 7D and low light on my 6D.

If you mainly shoot landscape and portraiture, yes 24-70L II (I guess you mean mark II) is a better lens than 24-105L that will reflect in photos.  If you mainly to shoot static birds or slow moving animals then your 550D is OK or cheaper APS-C models such as 60D is sufficient.

3)sorry one more option , just stay put and wait for 7D mark 2...

Now the latest rumor suggests 7D2 will not be available until next year. In addition 7D2 still will not as good as 5D3/6D in IQ (just check the latest Nikon DX models for example) in low light and at large size.

would really appreciate some help

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Just get a 6D, and sell the 550D. Once you’ve got the 6D you’ll never use it anyway.  I moved from 40D to 6D, and I don’t miss the crop camera in any way (I sold it) , birds and wildlife works great with the 6D, it’s much better than my 40D ever was. It's a true all-rounder.

Spend the money you save on better lenses.

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Spad16 wrote:

Just get a 6D, and sell the 550D. Once you’ve got the 6D you’ll never use it anyway.  I moved from 40D to 6D, and I don’t miss the crop camera in any way (I sold it) , birds and wildlife works great with the 6D, it’s much better than my 40D ever was. It's a true all-rounder.

Spend the money you save on better lenses.

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6D is a fine camera for static subjects, but don't kid yourself into thinking you can photograph moving birds with an 11-point autofoucus system and 4 fps.

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In reply to sandy42900, 11 months ago

I also went from 550d to 6d a couple months ago. Here's a shot with the 6d that is 100% crop and not processed in photoshop. I did some processing in DPP mainly to turn off the noise reduction and sharpening that is default in the DPP. I also increased the shadows and reduced the highlights in DPP before converting to JPEG.

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Just get a 6D, and sell the 550D. Once you’ve got the 6D you’ll never use it anyway.  I moved from 40D to 6D, and I don’t miss the crop camera in any way (I sold it) , birds and wildlife works great with the 6D, it’s much better than my 40D ever was. It's a true all-rounder.

Spend the money you save on better lenses.

/Neil

6D is a fine camera for static subjects, but don't kid yourself into thinking you can photograph moving birds with an 11-point autofoucus system and 4 fps.

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Think you are the one foolinv yourself, the 6D hasn't got the fancy focus system like the 5D3 but it's focus system is still great, don't kid yourself, as the many many photos of birds in flight taken with it prove, true you'll get more keepers with the 5D3, but the 6D is also more that up to the task...
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sandy42900 wrote:

till now have only 550d, with some good lens like tokina 11-16, canon 100-400, 50mm1.8 and canon 18-135, now i basically am an hobbiest photographer who travels a lot and love photography, so now i have made up my mind to go full frame as i miss the low light photography in the evenings on my travel. i have two options-

1) i buy a 5d mark-3 with kit lens (24-105),  and keep my 550 d as second body for wild life and birding as 100-400 will give me more reach and i can use my tokina also.

2) i go for 6D with kit lens (24-105) or if you guys strongly feel (24-70 f2.8) and replace my 550 D with 7D body only , that way  i can do some good birding and wildlife on my 7D and low light on my 6D.

3)sorry one more option , just stay put and wait for 7D mark 2...

would really appreciate some help

i just bought a 6D and sold my t3i.  save the money and buy the 6d.  spend the rest on faster glass.  depending on your tastes, either the 24-70, 70-200 or a few primes.

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I went from a 60D to a 5D MkIII.  The focus on the 5D Mk III is fantastic.  I don't see myself getting another camera for quite a while (no need to).  I wonder if I had bought the 6D, would I have secretly wanted to replace the 6D eventually with a 5D MK III?

My suggestion, get the 5D Mk III with the 24-105.  For landscapes, you can shoot them at f/8 or f/11 and the cost of the 24-70, IMO, would not justify the possible improvement in the lens.  Pros like Rick Sammon swear by the 24-105.

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sandy42900 wrote:

till now have only 550d, with some good lens like tokina 11-16, canon 100-400, 50mm1.8 and canon 18-135, now i basically am an hobbiest photographer who travels a lot and love photography, so now i have made up my mind to go full frame as i miss the low light photography in the evenings on my travel. i have two options-

1) i buy a 5d mark-3 with kit lens (24-105),  and keep my 550 d as second body for wild life and birding as 100-400 will give me more reach and i can use my tokina also.

2) i go for 6D with kit lens (24-105) or if you guys strongly feel (24-70 f2.8) and replace my 550 D with 7D body only , that way  i can do some good birding and wildlife on my 7D and low light on my 6D.

3)sorry one more option , just stay put and wait for 7D mark 2...

would really appreciate some help

Option two. but wait for the 7D2 to come or just keep 550d.

6D has better high iso performance, lighter body. For most part, we use one AF point and for that part, 5D3 is marginally faster in AF. 24-70/2.8 is of course strongly recommended by we feel you will be much better by using a prime lens especially the 40/2.8 stm which is so small and fits beautifully on my 5d3 and all my friend's 6Ds (who, after comparing my 5D3 and 6d). If price is right 24-70/4 is a good replacement. You can also go for a Sigma 35/1.4 and Sigma 84/1.4 combo. For myself, a 40/2.8 and a 100/2.8L can serve most of my purpose

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Hi

I have both the 6D and the 5D3.

Neither is better than the other IMO. Here is why:

Really Low light and/or static; 6D

Fast moving stuff and/or Sports; 5D3

Since I am more into the low light and static, I end up grabbing the 6D more often. It is also significantly lighter, so for street shooting, hiking, travelling etc I also tend to take the 6D leaving the L glass behind using the much smaller and lighter standard glass, mostly primes...

BR

Marcus

sandy42900 wrote:

till now have only 550d, with some good lens like tokina 11-16, canon 100-400, 50mm1.8 and canon 18-135, now i basically am an hobbiest photographer who travels a lot and love photography, so now i have made up my mind to go full frame as i miss the low light photography in the evenings on my travel. i have two options-

1) i buy a 5d mark-3 with kit lens (24-105),  and keep my 550 d as second body for wild life and birding as 100-400 will give me more reach and i can use my tokina also.

2) i go for 6D with kit lens (24-105) or if you guys strongly feel (24-70 f2.8) and replace my 550 D with 7D body only , that way  i can do some good birding and wildlife on my 7D and low light on my 6D.

3)sorry one more option , just stay put and wait for 7D mark 2...

would really appreciate some help

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If  I were you I would follow this plan:

1. Buy a 6d right now. Use it a lot but try to keep it very clean.

2. After several years and when the 7D-II becomes available, then sell the 6D and buy the 7D-mark II

3. When you can see by yourself the differences between 6D and 7D-mark II, you can buy back the  old 6D and get rid of the 7D-II or just keep the 6D, or keep both.

In this way you won't be confused that much  for so long  

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TimR32225 wrote:

6D is a fine camera for static subjects, but don't kid yourself into thinking you can photograph moving birds with an 11-point autofoucus system and 4 fps.

I am guessing it was impossible for a 350D to take  this photo then.

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TimR32225 wrote:

6D is a fine camera for static subjects, but don't kid yourself into thinking you can photograph moving birds with an 11-point autofoucus system and 4 fps.

I am guessing it was impossible for a 350D to take  this photo then.

Not exactly. In fact, in real life, the only and better useful focusing point is single one so it is always good to follow this skill, and here is one similar to yours

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sandy42900 wrote:

till now have only 550d, with some good lens like tokina 11-16, canon 100-400, 50mm1.8 and canon 18-135, now i basically am an hobbiest photographer who travels a lot and love photography, so now i have made up my mind to go full frame as i miss the low light photography in the evenings on my travel. i have two options-

1) i buy a 5d mark-3 with kit lens (24-105),  and keep my 550 d as second body for wild life and birding as 100-400 will give me more reach and i can use my tokina also.

2) i go for 6D with kit lens (24-105) or if you guys strongly feel (24-70 f2.8) and replace my 550 D with 7D body only , that way  i can do some good birding and wildlife on my 7D and low light on my 6D.

3)sorry one more option , just stay put and wait for 7D mark 2...

would really appreciate some help

Option 1.

Get the 5D III and sell the 550D, if you find you need more reach with the 100-400 get a 1.4x extender!

JohnJ

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Spad16 wrote:

Just get a 6D, and sell the 550D. Once you’ve got the 6D you’ll never use it anyway.  I moved from 40D to 6D, and I don’t miss the crop camera in any way (I sold it) , birds and wildlife works great with the 6D, it’s much better than my 40D ever was. It's a true all-rounder.

Spend the money you save on better lenses.

/Neil

6D is a fine camera for static subjects, but don't kid yourself into thinking you can photograph moving birds with an 11-point autofoucus system and 4 fps.

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Think you are the one foolinv yourself, the 6D hasn't got the fancy focus system like the 5D3 but it's focus system is still great, don't kid yourself, as the many many photos of birds in flight taken with it prove, true you'll get more keepers with the 5D3, but the 6D is also more that up to the task...
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It sounds like you generally agree with me by making the statement that "you'll get more keepers with the 5D3"...

My point was exactly that.  The 6d is a fine camera for static subjects but it is not the best tool if you want to get consistently good results (rather than frustration) shooting moving birds.  Bear in mind here that it may also depend on what one considers a "keeper".  A lot of shots I see posted here that get good comments are shots that would go in my recycle bin.  Many are blurry and many lack good composition.

The blurry kingfisher posted in this thread is a prime example of that.  While it may be a special photo in the eyes of the shooter if it's the first time he ever photographed that species, it's still a photo that ends up in the recycle bin, and certainly not one that demonstrates that the camera can follow a moving subject with any consistency.

I did not say that the 6d is not capable of ever getting a decent BIF photo; you simply inferred that yourself.  My comment was intended to inject a bit of reality into the converstation since the OP specifically mentioned an intention to use the camera for birding.

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What you wrote was

" don't kid yourself into thinking you can photograph moving birds with an 11-point autofoucus system and 4 fps."

Thats nowhere near what you just said you said:

"but it is not the best tool if you want to get consistently good results (rather than frustration) shooting moving birds"

Your first statement is wrong, your second statement is closer to the truth. But I'd disagree with the frustration bit, I Think it's very enjoyable shooting birds with the 6D, even though I don't have the range of your 500/4 lens.

Heres some examples of birds in flight that I Think ARE in focus, I can assure you the 6D had no problems whatsoever photographing this gull, and I could do it again any day of the week.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51246316

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hi, finally ordered my mark3 with 24-105 lens kit...looking forwart to my leh (ladakh) trip..any tips?

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sandy42900 wrote:

hi, finally ordered my mark3 with 24-105 lens kit...looking forwart to my leh (ladakh) trip..any tips?

Congrats!   Pro: a fantastic camera, best all-round camera in this category. Con: none except a stiff learning curve in its sophisticated AF and functions. Don't be hesitate to answer questions. We all learn from each other. I learned a few tips from some threads in this forum.

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Just to be clear.  I own the 7D and the 5D3.  You will get better results with a 5d3 and your 100-400mm than you will on your old crop body... you can certainly crop ff images and you can crop it further, due to pixel count/size and IQ.  The 5d3 will outperform it at every turn...

Also, I own the Tokina 11-16mm also.  It will actually work on the 5D3 at 16mm!!  It won't work under 16mm but it's excellent at 16mm!  I do a lot of Real Estate photography too and I thought I'd replace it with the EF 16-35mmL or the Tokina 16-28mm but I love the results at 16mm on the 5d3!  Go figure, I just tried to slip it on, no idea why I even tried, but it worked!  And at 16mm, it's great!

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