Comparison DP2m vs another camera... (just for fun)

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Daedalus2000
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Comparison DP2m vs another camera... (just for fun)
May 1, 2013

Hi everyone,

Just for fun today I decided to take some picture of the dp2m vs one of my other cameras. I have to say I am very impressed with the image quality of the dp2m, so I wanted to see how it stands vs one of my other cameras. It was a bit windy and the light was changing, but I tried to do my best to get representative versions from the 2 cameras. So here are the two images... Which one is the Sigma image and how do you think it compares to the other camera (to be revealed later..)?

I did minimal post processing (small adjustment to clarity and sharpness, no effort to match colour. I used standard mode for the dp2m colour). Both images exported at 1200 wide side from LR, sharpened for screen.

This is just for fun, so no trolling etc please.

Image 1

Image 2

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Re: Comparison DP2m vs another camera... (just for fun)
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 1, 2013

I don't have a DP2M, but a DP3M.  My guess would be ... the 2nd photo was taken by DP2M?

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Re: Sigma is the lower one
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 1, 2013

Hi!

I think the lower one is from your DP2m. More detail, nicer bokeh, but less (colour) resolution in the reds.

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Re: Comparison DP2m vs another camera... (just for fun)
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 1, 2013

My guess is the 1st one is the Sigma.

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Re: Comparison DP2m vs another camera... (just for fun)
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 1, 2013

I think the foreground tulip in Image 2 is sharper at a pixel level (higher micro contrast?).

I think the background color in Image 1 is greener and has smoother 'bluriness' (my guess is that Image 1 has a tighter DOF). I subjectively prefer the background in Image 1.

My guess is Image 2 is the DP2M and Image 1 is your other camera.

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A hint
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 1, 2013

I just realised I have no clue for how long to let it run before I give the answer... I will wait for a couple more hours and then I will reveal what is the other camera and which one is the sigma.

One hint though.... The other camera is a Leica...

Keep an eye, you will be surprised....

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Re: Comparison DP2m vs another camera... (just for fun)
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 1, 2013

It's hard to tell by images of this size. But would guess the 2nd one from DP2M, by its desaturated shadows.

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1. Leica, 2. Sigma :)
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Re: A hint
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 1, 2013

I just realised I have no clue for how long to let it run before I give the answer... I will wait for a couple more hours and then I will reveal what is the other camera and which one is the sigma.

One hint though.... The other camera is a Leica...

Keep an eye, you will be surprised....

This confirmed my reading ... Oops, it will be ugly if it wasn't ... Lol ... Was the Leica a 35/1.4 non-ASPH? ... Doesn't look like a 50 to me ...

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The answer
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 1, 2013

First of all I am very impressed by your ability to recognise the sigma image. Also, I have to say that it is quite interesting to me how different the colour is between the two cameras. It is something I need to study further. Any input on how to improve the colour from the sigma dp2m will be welcome.

So

Image 1. Leica S2 shot at ISO 160, f4,  1/125 speed (using the 70mm lens, equivalent 56mm at 35mm)

Image 2. Sigma DP2m shot at ISO 160, f2.8, 1/250 speed

I used a larger aperture on the sigma to reduce the difference on the dof.

I hope you now realise how good the dp2m is...

D

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Re: The answer
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 1, 2013

Daedalus2000 wrote:

I hope you now realise how good the dp2m is...

There is no doubt

But i must admit that the leica picture looks superior, nice soft background, nice colors.

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Re: The answer
In reply to maceoQ, May 1, 2013

maceoQ wrote:

Daedalus2000 wrote:

I hope you now realise how good the dp2m is...

There is no doubt

But i must admit that the leica picture looks superior, nice soft background, nice colors.

Yes, but the S2+lens costs multiple times more... Also, the Leica S lenses are the best I have ever seen (I am not a professional though). Adjusted for price (and size/weight...) dp2m is a bargain.

I need to learn how to get the colour right from the dp2m though... I bought it to do B/W and I have to say I am extremely happy with it.

Best, D

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Re: Comparison DP2m vs another camera... (just for fun)
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soft look is Leica. hard look is Sigma.

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Re: The answer
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 2, 2013

First of all I am very impressed by your ability to recognise the sigma image. Also, I have to say that it is quite interesting to me how different the colour is between the two cameras. It is something I need to study further. Any input on how to improve the colour from the sigma dp2m will be welcome.

So

Image 1. Leica S2 shot at ISO 160, f4,  1/125 speed (using the 70mm lens, equivalent 56mm at 35mm)

Image 2. Sigma DP2m shot at ISO 160, f2.8, 1/250 speed

I used a larger aperture on the sigma to reduce the difference on the dof.

I hope you now realise how good the dp2m is...

D

Lol ... Sorry if my eyes downgraded your S2 lens ... Hee hee

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Re: The answer
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fongg wrote:

First of all I am very impressed by your ability to recognise the sigma image. Also, I have to say that it is quite interesting to me how different the colour is between the two cameras. It is something I need to study further. Any input on how to improve the colour from the sigma dp2m will be welcome.

So

Image 1. Leica S2 shot at ISO 160, f4,  1/125 speed (using the 70mm lens, equivalent 56mm at 35mm)

Image 2. Sigma DP2m shot at ISO 160, f2.8, 1/250 speed

I used a larger aperture on the sigma to reduce the difference on the dof.

I hope you now realise how good the dp2m is...

D

Lol ... Sorry if my eyes downgraded your S2 lens ... Hee hee

I wanted this post to be about the dp2m, but if you are interested you can play this game

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51228496

BTW, I usually do not post about gear, but both cameras are great so you have to give credit where credit is due.

D

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In reply to Daedalus2000, May 2, 2013

fongg wrote:

First of all I am very impressed by your ability to recognise the sigma image. Also, I have to say that it is quite interesting to me how different the colour is between the two cameras. It is something I need to study further. Any input on how to improve the colour from the sigma dp2m will be welcome.

So

Image 1. Leica S2 shot at ISO 160, f4,  1/125 speed (using the 70mm lens, equivalent 56mm at 35mm)

Image 2. Sigma DP2m shot at ISO 160, f2.8, 1/250 speed

I used a larger aperture on the sigma to reduce the difference on the dof.

I hope you now realise how good the dp2m is...

D

Lol ... Sorry if my eyes downgraded your S2 lens ... Hee hee

I wanted this post to be about the dp2m, but if you are interested you can play this game

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51228496

BTW, I usually do not post about gear, but both cameras are great so you have to give credit where credit is due.

D

Ha ha ha ... Sorry, I'm not a pixel peeker. I merely judged by the overall feel of the shots. Sure S2 is one hack of camera. No doubt about it.

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Apply an inverse S-curve to the Sigma photo
In reply to jennyrae, May 2, 2013

jennyrae wrote:

soft look is Leica. hard look is Sigma.

Apply an inverse S-curve to the Sigma photo. I find difference in contrast easily confuses me when I look at pair challenges.

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Re: Comparison DP2m vs another camera... (just for fun)
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 2, 2013

The Sigma is the second pic.

The shadows turn dark grey.

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Re: The answer
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Daedalus2000 wrote:

First of all I am very impressed by your ability to recognise the sigma image. Also, I have to say that it is quite interesting to me how different the colour is between the two cameras. It is something I need to study further. Any input on how to improve the colour from the sigma dp2m will be welcome.

Interesting.. I initially thought #2 would be the Sigma given the desaturated shadows, but then went back and compared with similar photos I have taken with my own DP2M and they sure looked more like the Leica (!) so I think your results depend a lot on the light.

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Re: Comparison DP2m vs another camera... (just for fun)
In reply to Daedalus2000, May 2, 2013

The details of the in-focus flower are great in the Sigma shot, but the OOF areas look rather harsh and "busy".

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