First look at the E-P5

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In reply to Laszlo13, Apr 27, 2013

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It seems there's quite a bit of interest in the E-P5, but enough for people to considering selling the E-M5 for E-P5?

I admit I'm a sucker for retro styling, and the E-P5 looks alluring.  I was also on the verge of buying the 45mm 1.8.  So:

- If the E-P5 continues to have built in flash as it was in the E-P3

- If the new VF-4 matches the style (i.e. sleek instead of a cyborg design)

- If it's weather sealed

- I hope they bundle the VF-4: basically the camera body with the VF-4 has to be cheaper than the E-M5.  Subsequently, I would assume savings with a 45mm 1.8 kit.

If these pan out, then I'll likely switch.  I actually shoot predominantly with the rear LCD, using the EVF only in very bright light.  A sleeker body would be very interesting to me.

I would never switch, because the E-P5 is supposed to have no build-in view finder. It would be only considerable as a secondary body, if there is a size benefit to the E-M5.

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I'll wait and see in a couple of weeks how accurate the rumor is. Since it is so close, it’s not worth discussing.

Actually, I'll go further. Very nice looking retro cam (designed without looking fake like the EM5) but if there's no built-in EVF it looks like it'll be good-bye Oly, it’s been nice to know you.

Cheers, geoff

What's fake with the E-M5? The hump contains the view finder, so no fake. The hump means lower shoulders, which leads to a more compact design. See the comparison between E-M5 and Fuji X- E1/Pro 1 at camerasize.com.

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andyrox wrote:

ARB1 wrote:

Hen3ry wrote:

Hen3ry wrote:

I'll wait and see in a couple of weeks how accurate the rumor is. Since it is so close, it’s not worth discussing.

Actually, I'll go further. Very nice looking retro cam (designed without looking fake like the EM5) but if there's no built-in EVF it looks like it'll be good-bye Oly, it’s been nice to know you.

If it had and EVF I'd be on the preorder list as soon as it was available.  With no EVF the Fujifilm X-E1 is still in my shopping cart.

I wonder why Oly don't go for the built-in EVF like Nex6/7 or X-E1?

Exactly. Unless there is  something really radical to the notion of a new accessory EVF that makes sense, and the price of the package is within reason, and the IBIS is the same as the EM5 (I would love that; I've seen on this forum so many justifications of the faux pentaprism housing of the EM5

Easy answer: there are so many justifications because it is  justified. DSLR shape does not mean that it is bad, because the camera is mirrorless. The view finder simply needs space above the LCD.

which seem ridiculous), and …

Then I will be heading G6-wards.

Cheers, geoff

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Jeff Tokayer wrote:

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andyrox wrote:

I wonder why Oly don't go for the built-in EVF like Nex6/7 or X-E1?

The NEX 6 sells for $899 with a 2.3M dot OLED viewfinder, peaking AF display, 3" tilt LCD and 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 retractable power zoom lens.   I'm not a Sony fan (own an E-M5), but a compelling featureset for the price in a rangefinder style body.

Given the lack of an EVF, the only new things the E-P5 may bring to the party would be 5-axis IBIS and perhaps weathersealing (my guess, unlikely).  Based on the E-P3's intro price of $899 with a pedestrian kit zoom, Olympus will likely price it with same at a similar price.

Seems pretty much a boutique camera to me, but maybe they have something up their sleeve, who knows.
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The E-P2 was sold for $1100 with the 14-42 and the VF2.

The E-P5 should be introduced at the same price point, including the 17/1.8 and the VF3. If it's priced any higher, then no 5 axis or weather sealing would rescue it.

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I think it could sell in XE-1 numbers if it has weathersealing and 5-axis IBIS for a body-only price of $899, $999 adding in a kit lens and $1199 adding in an improved EVF.

Weather sealing is highly improbable (neither 14-42 not 17/1.8 are weather sealed). $1200 for basically what you can get for $1000 (or now $900) in NEX-6, only longer non-PZ lens and inconvenient hump? Too much.

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It seems there's quite a bit of interest in the E-P5, but enough for people to considering selling the E-M5 for E-P5?

I admit I'm a sucker for retro styling, and the E-P5 looks alluring.  I was also on the verge of buying the 45mm 1.8.  So:

- If the E-P5 continues to have built in flash as it was in the E-P3

- If the new VF-4 matches the style (i.e. sleek instead of a cyborg design)

- If it's weather sealed

- I hope they bundle the VF-4: basically the camera body with the VF-4 has to be cheaper than the E-M5.  Subsequently, I would assume savings with a 45mm 1.8 kit.

If these pan out, then I'll likely switch.  I actually shoot predominantly with the rear LCD, using the EVF only in very bright light.  A sleeker body would be very interesting to me.

Not even the least tempted. First off, my E-M5 has a built in EVF, which probably won't be as good as the new VF4...but it is generally "good enough". Everything else about my E-M5 is at least as good or "good enough" and one or two things better, like probably more controls (maybe not, we'll see), probably no weather sealing on the E-P5 and the ability to both use the EVF AND a flash at the same time (I don't use a flash often, but when I do, I want to still be able to use my EVF).

I also like the looks more, but that is less important. I will deffinitely consider the E-P5 though either as a replacement for my wife's E-PL1 in a year or two once the price has dropped a lot, or as a backup camera to my E-M5 at some point a year or two down the road. Though at that point I might be trying to gin up the money to sell my E-M5 to get a used/discounted E-M6 or E-M7 depending on timing.

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dylanear wrote:

Laszlo13 wrote:

It seems there's quite a bit of interest in the E-P5, but enough for people to considering selling the E-M5 for E-P5?

I LOVE my E-M5, but don't use the viewfinder all that much. Really miss being able to put my E-P1 with 20mm pancake in a large pant or jacket pocket.

Same exact thing here. Basically I read everywhere that a camera without a viewfinder just isn't worth it. For that reason I decided to go for the OM-D and see if this claimed must viewfinder is really worth the portability  penalty.

So far I struggle to see why a viewfinder is a must. Sure I use it in case of extremely bright light (sun right straight behind you), or when tracking motion, or when using a very long focal length. But still overall I can't see where this "must" claim is coming from.  I would say a tilting LCD screen is a way bigger must than a viewfinder as I find myself using that more often than the viewfinder.

This E-P5 will definitely be more pocketable than the OM-D. That's for sure.

Don't get me wrong, I do like a VF and find them useful. just on MFT for my personal style of use I think an optional add on will work best. I only use the VF on the E-M5 maybe 20% of the time, but I DO use it. If I swapped back to a non VF model, and especially if the new add on EVF is of higher quality then the E-M5's VFs now, I will want the add on. 
     But MFT is not my only system either. I rarely use Live View on my D800e or D300, those optical viewfinders are SO much bigger and clearer than the E-M5s EVF. I find it hard to judge critical sharpness, focus, and tonalities on the EM-5 EVF and have better luck using the LCD. So it depends on what and how I'm shooting, and the quality of the VF/LCD available. There is no ONE answer to this debate for everyone. 
     It's funny too, because when I first got the E-P1, my first camera with no VF, it took months before I stopped instinctively holding the thing up to my eye!!! It was embarrassing!  LOL!
     If MFT was my only camera and the EVF resolution was better I might find it worth it to have the VF built on. But since for me MFT is my "portable, on the go, carry around at all times" system AND because an add on EVF is available, I think I might prefer a not built in >IF< it adds bulk and a large snag to the body shape. If they could fit one in a PEN without making it much bigger or adding a large snag prone lump, still have a pop up flash, that would be best of both worlds!!!

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dylanear wrote:

highwave wrote:

dylanear wrote:

Laszlo13 wrote:

It seems there's quite a bit of interest in the E-P5, but enough for people to considering selling the E-M5 for E-P5?

I LOVE my E-M5, but don't use the viewfinder all that much. Really miss being able to put my E-P1 with 20mm pancake in a large pant or jacket pocket.

Same exact thing here. Basically I read everywhere that a camera without a viewfinder just isn't worth it. For that reason I decided to go for the OM-D and see if this claimed must viewfinder is really worth the portability  penalty.

So far I struggle to see why a viewfinder is a must. Sure I use it in case of extremely bright light (sun right straight behind you), or when tracking motion, or when using a very long focal length. But still overall I can't see where this "must" claim is coming from.  I would say a tilting LCD screen is a way bigger must than a viewfinder as I find myself using that more often than the viewfinder.

This E-P5 will definitely be more pocketable than the OM-D. That's for sure.

Don't get me wrong, I do like a VF and find them useful. just on MFT for my personal style of use I think an optional add on will work best. I only use the VF on the E-M5 maybe 20% of the time, but I DO use it. If I swapped back to a non VF model, and especially if the new add on EVF is of higher quality then the E-M5's VFs now, I will want the add on. 
     But MFT is not my only system either. I rarely use Live View on my D800e or D300, those optical viewfinders are SO much bigger and clearer than the E-M5s EVF. I find it hard to judge critical sharpness, focus, and tonalities on the EM-5 EVF and have better luck using the LCD. So it depends on what and how I'm shooting, and the quality of the VF/LCD available. There is no ONE answer to this debate for everyone. 
     It's funny too, because when I first got the E-P1, my first camera with no VF, it took months before I stopped instinctively holding the thing up to my eye!!! It was embarrassing!  LOL!
     If MFT was my only camera and the EVF resolution was better I might find it worth it to have the VF built on. But since for me MFT is my "portable, on the go, carry around at all times" system AND because an add on EVF is available, I think I might prefer a not built in >IF< it adds bulk and a large snag to the body shape. If they could fit one in a PEN without making it much bigger or adding a large snag prone lump, still have a pop up flash, that would be best of both worlds!!!

When did DPR start automatically editing white space?? And how did you get proper paragraph formatting, Highwave??? I hate that on FB and now it's catching at other sites?! Boo!!!! What's next? Forced spell check? Mods approving all posts before they appear??

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jrg wrote:

Quite steep why?

It is still a rumor, but the rumor is $999

If this price includes the 17mm 1.8 as a kit lens then I take it all back, the price is great.

That's pocket money in camera terms.

No VF makes it a no go for me though.

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highwave wrote:

dylanear wrote:

Laszlo13 wrote:

It seems there's quite a bit of interest in the E-P5, but enough for people to considering selling the E-M5 for E-P5?

I LOVE my E-M5, but don't use the viewfinder all that much. Really miss being able to put my E-P1 with 20mm pancake in a large pant or jacket pocket.

Same exact thing here. Basically I read everywhere that a camera without a viewfinder just isn't worth it. For that reason I decided to go for the OM-D and see if this claimed must viewfinder is really worth the portability  penalty.

So far I struggle to see why a viewfinder is a must. Sure I use it in case of extremely bright light (sun right straight behind you), or when tracking motion, or when using a very long focal length. But still overall I can't see where this "must" claim is coming from.  I would say a tilting LCD screen is a way bigger must than a viewfinder as I find myself using that more often than the viewfinder.

This E-P5 will definitely be more pocketable than the OM-D. That's for sure.

I think I partially take back my comment on the lack of need for EVF. Today there was a skateboard competition and there was a lot of action and flying skateboards (and people!) all over the place and it sure helped to have that EVF to track motion better. The lightning fast autofocus and the 9 frames/second were also just amazing. I managed to burst mode an accident while it was happening. Caught every bit of it.

You just gotta love the OM-D

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highwave wrote:

So far I struggle to see why a viewfinder is a must. Sure I use it in case of extremely bright light (sun right straight behind you), or when tracking motion, or when using a very long focal length. But still overall I can't see where this "must" claim is coming from.  I would say a tilting LCD screen is a way bigger must than a viewfinder as I find myself using that more often than the viewfinder.

Don't get me wrong, I do like a VF and find them useful. just on MFT for my personal style of use I think an optional add on will work best. I only use the VF on the E-M5 maybe 20% of the time, but I DO use it. If I swapped back to a non VF model, and especially if the new add on EVF is of higher quality then the E-M5's VFs now, I will want the add on. 
     But MFT is not my only system either. I rarely use Live View on my D800e or D300, those optical viewfinders are SO much bigger and clearer than the E-M5s EVF. I find it hard to judge critical sharpness, focus, and tonalities on the EM-5 EVF and have better luck using the LCD. So it depends on what and how I'm shooting, and the quality of the VF/LCD available. There is no ONE answer to this debate for everyone. 
     It's funny too, because when I first got the E-P1, my first camera with no VF, it took months before I stopped instinctively holding the thing up to my eye!!! It was embarrassing!  LOL!
     If MFT was my only camera and the EVF resolution was better I might find it worth it to have the VF built on. But since for me MFT is my "portable, on the go, carry around at all times" system AND because an add on EVF is available, I think I might prefer a not built in >IF< it adds bulk and a large snag to the body shape. If they could fit one in a PEN without making it much bigger or adding a large snag prone lump, still have a pop up flash, that would be best of both worlds!!!

Never had the chance to look into those so called "bright" full frame VF. I really want to. So I can see what people are talking about when they complement them. A lot do complement them. I had a huge dislike for Optical View finders. That's why I stayed away from SLRs until mirrorless came along. But having said that I never tried FF OVF. Maybe I would have liked that.

I think there is a certain degree of "legacy" preference here. People who use to shoot through VFs feel more the need for it. While people who started out in the digital world using only LCD are less inclined to to use VFs.

I would roughly say I use EVF/LCD at a rate of 30/70.  EVF for bright light, action, saving battery, and long zooms. LCD for odd composition angles, touchscreen focusing, and all general hots.

I can't say the E-P5 us good without the EVF. Even the add on will make it big and defeat the purpose. I wish they did something more inline with the Sony NEX6 and Fuji X-E1. My wallet will be happy. I'll just wait until they decide to come up with those formats. Until then, the OM-D is a champion like it impressed me so deeply today.

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When did DPR start automatically editing white space?? And how did you get proper paragraph formatting, Highwave??? I hate that on FB and now it's catching at other sites?! Boo!!!! What's next? Forced spell check? Mods approving all posts before they appear??

No idea. All I do is type normally and it works fine. Maybe you're using Mac operating system? or slates and pads? Those things act up on me. But never a normal PC. And I'm running windows 8 which is fine.

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dylanear wrote:

highwave wrote:

dylanear wrote:

Laszlo13 wrote:

It seems there's quite a bit of interest in the E-P5, but enough for people to considering selling the E-M5 for E-P5?

I LOVE my E-M5, but don't use the viewfinder all that much. Really miss being able to put my E-P1 with 20mm pancake in a large pant or jacket pocket.

Same exact thing here. Basically I read everywhere that a camera without a viewfinder just isn't worth it. For that reason I decided to go for the OM-D and see if this claimed must viewfinder is really worth the portability  penalty.

So far I struggle to see why a viewfinder is a must. Sure I use it in case of extremely bright light (sun right straight behind you), or when tracking motion, or when using a very long focal length. But still overall I can't see where this "must" claim is coming from.  I would say a tilting LCD screen is a way bigger must than a viewfinder as I find myself using that more often than the viewfinder.

This E-P5 will definitely be more pocketable than the OM-D. That's for sure.

Don't get me wrong, I do like a VF and find them useful. just on MFT for my personal style of use I think an optional add on will work best. I only use the VF on the E-M5 maybe 20% of the time, but I DO use it. If I swapped back to a non VF model, and especially if the new add on EVF is of higher quality then the E-M5's VFs now, I will want the add on. 
     But MFT is not my only system either. I rarely use Live View on my D800e or D300, those optical viewfinders are SO much bigger and clearer than the E-M5s EVF. I find it hard to judge critical sharpness, focus, and tonalities on the EM-5 EVF and have better luck using the LCD. So it depends on what and how I'm shooting, and the quality of the VF/LCD available. There is no ONE answer to this debate for everyone. 
     It's funny too, because when I first got the E-P1, my first camera with no VF, it took months before I stopped instinctively holding the thing up to my eye!!! It was embarrassing!  LOL!
     If MFT was my only camera and the EVF resolution was better I might find it worth it to have the VF built on. But since for me MFT is my "portable, on the go, carry around at all times" system AND because an add on EVF is available, I think I might prefer a not built in >IF< it adds bulk and a large snag to the body shape. If they could fit one in a PEN without making it much bigger or adding a large snag prone lump, still have a pop up flash, that would be best of both worlds!!!

I have an epm2 and really like it. The one issue for me with the Pens, however, is in using flash. With a larger speed light on a pen you give up the ability to use the vf. I like the idea of the built in flash that can be used as a controller. I actually prefer to use the touchscreen to focus and shoot, but on a really bright day here in Tennessee,  the LCD is really a crapshoot. Another issue is with using wireless triggers outside on a bright day.

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dylanear wrote:

When did DPR start automatically editing white space?? And how did you get proper paragraph formatting, Highwave??? I hate that on FB and now it's catching at other sites?! Boo!!!! What's next? Forced spell check? Mods approving all posts before they appear??

No idea. All I do is type normally and it works fine. Maybe you're using Mac operating system? or slates and pads? Those things act up on me. But never a normal PC. And I'm running windows 8 which is fine.

Windows 7, Chrome browser as I've used for years. Hmmm???
I do use Android tablets, phones. Can try Firefox or IE and see if there's a difference. 
No big worries, and I'm off topic I suppose.

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I will probably stick with the EPL-5. My camera aspirations are delayed by a dying refrigerator, and worn CV joints on my car.

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http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/04/24/Panasonic-announces-lumix-dmc-lf1-enthusiast-compact-with-evf-as-sister-model-to-lx7#press

Guess what a GX2 will have?

And the E-P5 will be left sucking dust.

Love the notion of the E-P5 with the 5 way IBIS. Now -- let's hear it again from all those know  nothings who insided the far too big hump was needed to house the IBIS!!!

Cheers, geoff

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Acrill wrote:

jrg wrote:

Quite steep why?

It is still a rumor, but the rumor is $999

If this price includes the 17mm 1.8 as a kit lens then I take it all back, the price is great.

That's pocket money in camera terms.

No VF makes it a no go for me though.

$999 is definitely not pocket money for me nor is it in general camera terms.

Agree with you on the lack if EVF though.

Cheers, geoff

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In reply to tgutgu, Apr 28, 2013

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Hen3ry wrote:

Hen3ry wrote:

I'll wait and see in a couple of weeks how accurate the rumor is. Since it is so close, it’s not worth discussing.

Actually, I'll go further. Very nice looking retro cam (designed without looking fake like the EM5) but if there's no built-in EVF it looks like it'll be good-bye Oly, it’s been nice to know you.

Cheers, geoff

What's fake with the E-M5? The hump contains the view finder, so no fake. The hump means lower shoulders, which leads to a more compact design. See the comparison between E-M5 and Fuji X- E1/Pro 1 at camerasize.com.

Thomas - the hump is fake -- it imitates a pentaprism. I could have been much lower. The camera is more compact because it has lower shoulders? Come off the grass, mate - it is lesscompact  because it has the ruddy great hump! 

Other cameras have an EVF and no hump or a much lower hump. Check the Sony.

Cheers, geoff

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Re: YES! Re: Consider selling E-M5 for E-P5?
In reply to highwave, Apr 29, 2013

highwave wrote:

dylanear wrote:

Laszlo13 wrote:

It seems there's quite a bit of interest in the E-P5, but enough for people to considering selling the E-M5 for E-P5?

I LOVE my E-M5, but don't use the viewfinder all that much. Really miss being able to put my E-P1 with 20mm pancake in a large pant or jacket pocket.

Same exact thing here. Basically I read everywhere that a camera without a viewfinder just isn't worth it. For that reason I decided to go for the OM-D and see if this claimed must viewfinder is really worth the portability  penalty.

So far I struggle to see why a viewfinder is a must. Sure I use it in case of extremely bright light (sun right straight behind you), or when tracking motion, or when using a very long focal length. But still overall I can't see where this "must" claim is coming from.  I would say a tilting LCD screen is a way bigger must than a viewfinder as I find myself using that more often than the viewfinder.

This E-P5 will definitely be more pocketable than the OM-D. That's for sure.

...gotta stop listening to the one eye is better than two crowd

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Re: No EVF. Panny hss managed an EVF in its Lf1
In reply to Hen3ry, Apr 30, 2013

Hen3ry wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/04/24/Panasonic-announces-lumix-dmc-lf1-enthusiast-compact-with-evf-as-sister-model-to-lx7#press

Guess what a GX2 will have?

And the E-P5 will be left sucking dust.

Love the notion of the E-P5 with the 5 way IBIS. Now -- let's hear it again from all those know  nothings who insided the far too big hump was needed to house the IBIS!!!

The evf in the LF1 is quite low resolution.
Probably not real useful for manual focusing.

Nice idea though, integrated nicely without excessive bulge.
Certainly the way of the future.

rd

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