Semi Pro Camera

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Aloke
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Semi Pro Camera
Apr 23, 2013

Hi Folks,

I want to buy a semi professional camera and have a budget of USD 1200 . I am evaluating the following options, please let me know your suggestions .

Option1: Canon 7D+ Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4 DC Macro OS HSM Lens ( Pro body with Cheap lens)

Option 2: Canon 60D + Canon 24-105 L lens  ( Cheap body with pro lens)

I intend to specialise  in portrait photography .

Also in intend to purchase it from http://bestpricephoto.com,  so if any body has ever purchased anything from this website, please share your experience.

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In reply to Aloke, Apr 23, 2013

Aloke wrote:

Hi Folks,

I want to buy a semi professional camera and have a budget of USD 1200 . I am evaluating the following options, please let me know your suggestions .

Option1: Canon 7D+ Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4 DC Macro OS HSM Lens ( Pro body with Cheap lens)

Option 2: Canon 60D + Canon 24-105 L lens  ( Cheap body with pro lens)

I intend to specialise  in portrait photography .

Also in intend to purchase it from http://bestpricephoto.com,  so if any body has ever purchased anything from this website, please share your experience.

For portrait photography, your studio setup is the most important aspect - the space, the lighting, the softboxes/umbrellas and the backdrops.  In a studio these are infinitely more important than the camera or even lens are.

Even if you're going to do outdoor - lighting is important.  Then the lenses.  Lens is more important here than indoor because you're going to want DOF control.

The lenses you need are going to be driven by the style of photographs you want to take.  Since your budget is so small, you should start with the decision regarding whether you're going to do studio portraits or outdoor portraits only.

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In reply to Aloke, Apr 23, 2013

My suggestion is to wait until you have the funds for a lens that is of equal quality to your camera. Why cripple a good camera with a cheap lens or vice versa.

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In reply to Ear Mountain, Apr 23, 2013

Check out
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/bestpricephoto_5

and make sure the camera or lens has a warrantee and what kind. Usually a price like they have listed is a BIG RED FLAG.

I just received my Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4 DC OS HSM-C yesterday and so far it's a stellar lens. A little slow to focus in low light but very sharp. I chose it instead of the 24-105 because on a crop camera the 24-105 is to wide on the 24 end.

The 17-70 f2.8-4 that's shown on this site is not the new contemporary one. Go to Sigma site and compare the picture of the new one with the picture that shown on the Amazon and Buy Dig site.

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In reply to Aloke, Apr 23, 2013

For portret photography you don't need 7D - it is more for sports/actions photography.

I would go for FF, so save money. Like at least 6D. And yes, think about your studio set up.

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vlab wrote:

For portret photography you don't need 7D - it is more for sports/actions photography.

I would go for FF, so save money. Like at least 6D. And yes, think about your studio set up.

How could he save money by going with a $2100.00 6D instead of a$1000.00 7D? Just curious.

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To go for 6D he needs to save money. For portret photography, FF is better, DOF, High ISO IQ, etc.

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In reply to vlab, Apr 23, 2013

vlab wrote:

To go for 6D he needs to save money. For portret photography, FF is better, DOF, High ISO IQ, etc.

While full frame will provide better DOF control, that benefit is very minimal compared to the lighting, backdrop and lenses used.  The OPs funds are much better allocated in those other areas than on full-frame.  Don't get me wrong - I have a 5dIII and love it.  But, the OP would be much better off putting their initial money into the other equipment.  Although a used 5dII might not be a bad idea if the price is right.  But a 6d is a bad choice in my opinion when the OP needs so many other pieces of equipment that will have a much bigger impact on his photos than the full frame sensor.

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Here's a photo of my son from a couple years ago.  The photographer used a 10d - ancient camera and an old EF lens (I can't remember but certainly not an L).  This is one of the better portraits of my son because of the props and lighting.  Infinitely better than a portrait with a boring muslim backdrop.

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Aloke wrote:

Hi Folks,

I want to buy a semi professional camera and have a budget of USD 1200 . I am evaluating the following options, please let me know your suggestions .

Option1: Canon 7D+ Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4 DC Macro OS HSM Lens ( Pro body with Cheap lens)

Option 2: Canon 60D + Canon 24-105 L lens  ( Cheap body with pro lens)

I intend to specialise  in portrait photography .

Also in intend to purchase it from http://bestpricephoto.com,  so if any body has ever purchased anything from this website, please share your experience.

I would stay away from bestpricephoto, stick with a more reputable dealer like B&H, or Amazon.

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/bestpricephoto_5

For portrait work the 60D is fine, no advantage to 7D which is only better for sports. Previous posts are correct, lighting and PP skills are most important. Perhaps get a nice prime like the 50mm 1.4 (or even 50mm 1.8) which is pretty inexpensive, until you have more experience and know what you need.

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In reply to Aloke, Apr 23, 2013

You don't have enough money for either.

Buy a T5i with the 18-135mm lens plus a 50mm f1.8 and a Lastolite Trip grip reflector.

And you'll still be over budget.

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In reply to Aloke, Apr 23, 2013

Welcome to the forum!

I agree with those who advise that a 7D is not a best choice for a portrait camera on a budget. You will be paying for weather-sealing and its ability to shoot fast-moving subjects such as athletes and birds in flight. I use a pair of 7D cameras at work, where weather-sealing is important, and off the clock, the 7D is wonderful for birds, animals, and youth sports, but I tend to use a 5D camera for images of people that are not in motion, and I mean the original 2005-era 5D. Better a 5D with an excellent lens than than a superb sports/action/rainstorm camera with a lesser lens, in my opinion, as people sit for portraits, under civilized conditions. Perhaps an EF 85mm 1.8 lens and a clean, gently-used 5D will fit within your budget; that lens is widely reputed to be a best-bang-for-the-buck portrait lens. I never bought an 85mm, largely because I started with a pre-owned bag of equipment that included a superb Tokina 100mm 2.8 AT-X Macro, which doubles as a very good portrait lens, and 85mm and 100mm are so close as to be near-duplicates.

Edited to add: A pre-owned 40D will have some modern features such a in-built vibration that shakes dust from the sensor's light path at start-up and shut-down, and the ability to control a modern Canon Speedlight with the camera's menu. It may be easier to find a cleaner, more gently-treated 40D than 5D, for a bit less money.

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In reply to Aloke, Apr 23, 2013

If what you're planning to specialize in is portraits, you'd be rather better off with a 5D or 1Ds of any vintage. You could even save quite a bit of money by getting the original model of either camera; they're available used for around $500. My own choice would be the 1Ds.

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In reply to Aloke, Apr 24, 2013

Either a crop sensor APS-C camera or a full frame camera can be used for portraiture.  The only significant difference is that with a full frame camera and a f/2 lens you can throw the tip of the nose out of focus when the eye is in focus vs needing a f/1.4 lens with the crop sensor camera.  Frankly that is not a very important difference.

Put simply, either a crop sensor or a full frame camera is fine for portraits.  What is important is your lens. You need a good quality lens for good quality images.

Portraits are best if you use longer than normal focal length lenses, i.e. greater than 50mm on a full frame camera or longer than 35mm on an APS-C camera.  Typically you want something in the 70mm region for head and shoulders portraits.

The reason for using the longer focal length lenses is that the resulting image matches the way our memories work when we remember someone.  Read this article for more information on this.

Portrait Lenses

It is because of the above that the most popular portrait lenses are those in the 24-70mm range for APS-C cameras.  With full frame cameras it is desirable to have both a lens in the 24-70mm range and one in the 70-200mm range.

My recommendation echoes that of BAK, get a T5i and a 18-135mm lens plus a 50mm f1.8 and a Lastolite Trip grip reflector.  This combination will set you up for outdoor portraiture.

Wider aperture lenses focus better in low light levels such as you can get with some studio strobe modeling lights.  If you can spend more money you might consider changing to getting only one lens in the 24-70mm f/2.8 range since this would be a better lens for studio portraiture.

If you haven't bought any studio equipment then please read my article on equipment for a small home portrait/glamor studio.  I wrote it to help others avoid the first time mistake I made of buying cheap low quality studio equipment, which quickly wound up in the trash.

Sailorblue - Digital Photography Review - Equipment Guide for Setting up a Small Home Portrait/Glamor Studio

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In reply to Aloke, Apr 24, 2013

.....Wait for the release and reviews of the "new" 70D. It may have 21-24mp, digic5, better auto-focus and Micro-Adjustment. If it does, it will outperform the 60D in every way.

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In reply to Aloke, Apr 24, 2013

the rest in two strobes, remotes and umbrellas, cheap and simple stuff will do to start

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