Do you guys use VR on or off mostly?

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alegator
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Do you guys use VR on or off mostly?
Apr 23, 2013

I always had the idea that VR should always be OFF unless stricltly necessary, like when shooting in vibration environments. I found a great article

I infer from such article that even with handheld, unless standing on a vibrating surface, VR should be OFF.

What's your feedback on this?

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In reply to alegator, Apr 23, 2013

This seems totally contrary to the design intent of VR. It is designed to damp out small movements of the photographer's hands, not the ground he or she's standing on (with the exception of lenses that have an Active VR setting, which is indeed designed for moving platforms).

For the most part I leave VR on unless I'm certain that I will be shooting above 1/focal length shutter speeds. But then I do a lot of available light shooting.

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The worse thing about turning VR off......
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alegator wrote:

I always had the idea that VR should always be OFF unless stricltly necessary, like when shooting in vibration environments. I found a great article

I infer from such article that even with handheld, unless standing on a vibrating surface, VR should be OFF.

What's your feedback on this?

HI!

Under some circumstances (not most) there may be some minor advantages to turning VR off (though in my personal use, I'm not sure I've ever seen VR degrade an image)..

However, for me, the worse thing about turning VR of, is that I tend to forget to turn it back on when I really need it. I've screwed up a fair number of pictures that way.

So I now basically leave it on all the time unless:

-I'm using a tripod (and then I'll sometimes use tripod mode VR if the lens has it or if the tripod is on a moving or shaking surface, or if there is enough wind to shake even a tripod)

-I'm doing  a lot of shooting in a situation where  I'm always using a fast shutter speed (even then, VR can be useful as it stabilizes the image in the viewfinder, sometimes making it easier to track a moving subject).

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The idea you have is wrong. You can use google and get all the correct info very easy.

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99% of my work is handheld so it stays on.

I shoot a lot of wild monkeys just down the road..;-)

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What's your feedback on this?

Thom's current thinking has changed - the first part now seems to mirror what I have been saying for three or four years. There is nothing new there, except Thom does not mention VR can help AF keep something moving erratically in the viewfinder in sharp focus.

Nikon do not quote a current sampling frequency, and the correction frequency is not necessarily as fast as the sampling frequency. Nikon did say VR II is much better at eliminating low frequency vibrations than "original VR" prior to updating their VR links. On a detail I make it there are least 6 variations of VR in Nikon lenses, starting with the original 80-400 which remains on sale.

VR is an aid, like matrix metering, spot metering, AWB, auto focus, D-lighting, exposure compensation, TTL flash or using a tripod.

Sometimes using one or more of these improves results and sometimes using them makes results not so good. Knowing what to select when for your type of photography is part of the learning curve of photography.

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Not exactly news given that Thom's article is dated April 2010 with the updated being June 2010 which are both 3 years ago

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On - unless using tripod (nt)
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On - unless using tripod

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Re: Do you guys use VR on or off mostly?
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alegator wrote:

I always had the idea that VR should always be OFF unless stricltly necessary, like when shooting in vibration environments. I found a great article

I infer from such article that even with handheld, unless standing on a vibrating surface, VR should be OFF.

I think you misread the article.

What's your feedback on this?

I turn it off 98.765% of the time. Actually, I can't recall when I last turned it on. Don't think I've used it once with the D800E. Might have used it with the D700.

It should be off with shutter speeds of 1/500 sec. or faster.

It should be off if you are trying to get the ultimate sharpness out of the D800E. It can reduce motion blur, but it is not perfect and can cause a very small amount of blur.

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No tripod- VR always on

Tripod- VR off.

I always check the VR switch when I pull the lens out of the bag, just habit I giuess

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alegator wrote:

I always had the idea that VR should always be OFF unless stricltly necessary, like when shooting in vibration environments. I found a great article

I infer from such article that even with handheld, unless standing on a vibrating surface, VR should be OFF.

What's your feedback on this?

One thing to keep in mind as well is that sometimes VR can give you unwanted artifacts in your image. For instance, particularly if you have some fairly out-of-focus objects such as trees, bushes, or even buildings in your picture, VR-on can at least on some lenses give you some nasty looking bokeh due to shifting of the out-of-focus objects. Due to this, I try to keep VR off unless I think I need it due to low shutter speeds.

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alegator wrote:

I always had the idea that VR should always be OFF unless stricltly necessary, like when shooting in vibration environments. I found a great article

I infer from such article that even with handheld, unless standing on a vibrating surface, VR should be OFF.

What's your feedback on this?

It depends on my camera and usage.

I've only one lens which has VR, the 70-200mm F/2.8G VR-I

Inside on the D3S, it's mostly on, outside it's mostly off.
On D800 it's mostly on the whole time when I have to use it.

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RBFresno wrote:

alegator wrote:

I always had the idea that VR should always be OFF unless stricltly necessary, like when shooting in vibration environments. I found a great article

I infer from such article that even with handheld, unless standing on a vibrating surface, VR should be OFF.

What's your feedback on this?

HI!

Under some circumstances (not most) there may be some minor advantages to turning VR off (though in my personal use, I'm not sure I've ever seen VR degrade an image)..

However, for me, the worse thing about turning VR of, is that I tend to forget to turn it back on when I really need it. I've screwed up a fair number of pictures that way.

So I now basically leave it on all the time unless:

-I'm using a tripod (and then I'll sometimes use tripod mode VR if the lens has it or if the tripod is on a moving or shaking surface, or if there is enough wind to shake even a tripod)

-I'm doing  a lot of shooting in a situation where  I'm always using a fast shutter speed (even then, VR can be useful as it stabilizes the image in the viewfinder, sometimes making it easier to track a moving subject).

That's pretty much me too, RB.

I rarely turn off VR and when I do I invariable forget to turn it back on! I mostly shoot with VR on, and it would only be on the rare occassion that I turn it off, and I don't think I have had an image suffer due to VR.

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andreben wrote:

alegator wrote:

I always had the idea that VR should always be OFF unless stricltly necessary, like when shooting in vibration environments. I found a great article

I infer from such article that even with handheld, unless standing on a vibrating surface, VR should be OFF.

What's your feedback on this?

One thing to keep in mind as well is that sometimes VR can give you unwanted artifacts in your image. For instance, particularly if you have some fairly out-of-focus objects such as trees, bushes, or even buildings in your picture, VR-on can at least on some lenses give you some nasty looking bokeh due to shifting of the out-of-focus objects. Due to this, I try to keep VR off unless I think I need it due to low shutter speeds.

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Hi!

I know that folks say this (even Rorslett), and I may  have seen a few examples(?). However I've never been able to reproduce this

VR on at fast shutter speed; Artifacts in the  bokeh?"

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Re: Do you guys use VR on or off mostly?
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Mostly off.  Hardly ever on when using a tripod.

Larry

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Mine stays ON for all handheld or even with monopod. The only time I turn it off is on the tripod.
I've read so many varying opinions but I do what I feel gives me the best results.

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I think as Leonard says above, there are many different versions of VR in use. This is further complicated as Nikon uses the suffix II after VR not in reference to the VR but to the lens - i.e. the AF-S 200/2 VR and VRII may have the same VR system (which I suspect).

I have three Nikon telephoto lenses with VR - the 70-200/2.8G VRII, 200/2G VRII, and AF-S 80-400 VR.

The VR in both the 70-200 and 200 seem very similar in effectiveness and I think that best results will be achieved with high enough shutter speeds and VR off. On a D800 viewing at 100%, there seems to be slight degradation with VR on at these shutter speeds. VR on both of these isn't really reliable enough to depend on.

The latest iteration of VR on the new 80-400 however is in a different league and doesn't seem to have any negative effects and I would just leave it on, except for tripod (maybe).

It really depends on the lens.

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Unless I forget to turn it on I use it 100% of the time.

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A stable camera always  wins over VR. If the camera is stable the image will be shaper without VR. VR involves a "vibrating" lens element that degrades image quality. But if your handshake is strong enough the VR will give you an acceptable image, but not as good as if the  camera would have been stable without VR.

Nikon therefore only makes VR for professional lenses where it is needed the most (long lenses where the effect of handshake is critical. Nikon and Canon do not have VR on their 24-70 for a reason.

VR on wide lenses is a challenge as the negative effects are stronger than on lenses with a narrow angle of view due to  the way VR works: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/29069086 . Case in point corner and edge performance of the 16-35mm f/4 VR.

Use VR only when needed.

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