Obama backs Internet sales tax bill

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Rick Knepper
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Apr 22, 2013

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-obama-backs-internet-174629905.html

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Rick Knepper wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-obama-backs-internet-174629905.html

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I just bought my 6D, but I heard the exact same thing...that its coming down very quickly that many out of state e-tailers will need to incorporate sales tax depending on customer location, etc.

I got my 6D at a killer price, it may be the last good deal I see that isn't from CL.  On the other hand I can only imagine that CL prices to go slightly up (i.e. resale values will inch upwards as CL will now always be considered cheaper due to sales tax, etc).

No idea if I should be adding pricy telephotos now or not if I can find them for cheap.

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In reply to Timbukto, Apr 22, 2013

Thanks for the info, Rick. I live in GA and the state legislature passed a law earlier this year but apparently the guys in NY haven't gotten the message. I've bought a 6D from NY and no sales tax.

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In reply to Rick Knepper, Apr 23, 2013

Oh no , No, NO ! This sucks !!  I fear this has set a precedent and soon enough this might happen in Canada and before you know it in Great Britain , Europe etc etc  .........I hope I am wrong but I cant help but fear this is the begining of a slippery slope ......

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Democrats have never seen a tax they didn't like.

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This tax is demanded by the states, and the states, by a large margin are governed by the Republicans.   If you count governors and exclude states with no sales tax you endup with 2:1 ratio.

jcampy wrote:

Democrats have never seen a tax they didn't like.

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That subject line is just silly
In reply to Rick Knepper, Apr 23, 2013

This has been in the working for a long, long time and is aimed to get the finances of states in order (something like 35 out of 50 states are in the reds). I know, it all sucks for us consumers but in all honesty, it isn't a fair playing field for brick and mortars that have to compete.

It was just a matter of time before this was going to happen.

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In reply to nordilux, Apr 23, 2013

This should come as a surprise to no one, it has been in the "works" for years and the states are hungry for revenue from any and all sources. It will happen sooner than later, better get used to it.

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When will the government have enough of our money?
In reply to Rick Knepper, Apr 23, 2013

Two questions:

When will the government say thy have taken enough of our money?

If there is a national internet sales tax, does that give the federal and state governments the right to audit internet communications?

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Suave wrote:

This tax is demanded by the states, and the states, by a large margin are governed by the Republicans.   If you count governors and exclude states with no sales tax you endup with 2:1 ratio.

jcampy wrote:

Democrats have never seen a tax they didn't like.

Exactly. They trumpet tax cuts and freedoms but try to get you through the back door while catering to corporate interests and "defending" marriage.  'Merica

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Too bad this is happening about two-three years too late to save some of the great brick and mortar camera stores that were driven out of business by showrooming.  In Michigan there used to be seven great camera/video stores and now only two are left and one is a mere shadow of itself. If people hadn't been so mercenary and willing to do anything to save the last few percent of the price of a camera, we might still be able to go into a store and browse before buying.

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If you don't like sales tax move to New Hampshire
In reply to James Cricket, Apr 23, 2013

James Cricket wrote:

Suave wrote:

This tax is demanded by the states, and the states, by a large margin are governed by the Republicans.   If you count governors and exclude states with no sales tax you endup with 2:1 ratio.

jcampy wrote:

Democrats have never seen a tax they didn't like.

Exactly. They trumpet tax cuts and freedoms but try to get you through the back door while catering to corporate interests and "defending" marriage.  'Merica

First off, this isn't a tax, it's simply an improved mechanism for collecting existing taxes.  If you're lucky enough to already live in New Hampshire you're still going to get most things tax free because there's no sales tax in New Hampshire.

And many states offset a low or non-existent income tax with sales tax, so being able to properly collect sales taxes is something they would like.   To collect taxes outside of their state, however, likely requires the intervention of the federal government (a legitimate use of the "interstate commerce clause").

I think it's silly to blame Obama or Republicans for this; it's a deficiency in the sales-tax structure that wasn't really important until large-scale shipping of products across state lines became common.

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True about "showrooming". I'm in Michigan, where are the nice camera stores? Can't seem to find any near me that count.

I've been waiting on the 5DIII. I was tempted when it was $3490 as the kit and waited too late. Now it's up to $3800 or so. If it comes back down to $3500 range within next week or so, I'm in. Of course, taxes might kick in as early as this week.

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You see, I think the assumption that sales taxes would help local businesses is nothing but wishful thinking.  Local <camera> stores won't beat B&H and Amazon on price and selection, won't beat them on convenience.  The only way they can compete is by providing superior service and I don't see much of that.

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Doc Mo wrote:

True about "showrooming". I'm in Michigan, where are the nice camera stores? Can't seem to find any near me that count.

I've been waiting on the 5DIII. I was tempted when it was $3490 as the kit and waited too late. Now it's up to $3800 or so. If it comes back down to $3500 range within next week or so, I'm in. Of course, taxes might kick in as early as this week.

I am in Michigan as well. When we did taxes 2 weeks ago, the state form asked about internet purchases so I don't get your concern unless you're lying about your internet purchases. My wife and I went through and found about 7 thousand dollars worth of internet purchases via Amazon and some other retailers and we reported it all because you sign your taxes saying you're being truthful. I look forward to having the process become more formalized as it saves us a lot of time trying to add up our purchases each April. Norman Camera has a decent presence online, but they have a shop right in my city. The only reason I didn't buy my 6D from them is that they were $100 more than B&H before taxes.

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They haven't figured how to collect tax on craiglist transaction yet?

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DaytonR wrote:

Oh no , No, NO ! This sucks !!  I fear this has set a precedent and soon enough this might happen in Canada and before you know it in Great Britain , Europe etc etc  .........I hope I am wrong but I cant help but fear this is the begining of a slippery slope ......

It is just fair that people living in the same country pay the same sale tax !  And that for those who buy oversea the custom apply the sale tax of the destination state. If you don't do that, the brick and mortar shops of the country are disadvantaged with respect to foreign countries or online retailers.

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All other tax rates are not the same?  Why sales tax should be?

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Suave wrote:

All other tax rates are not the same?  Why sales tax should be?

I don't think that they should necessarily be the same, but they should be collected from every customer through the retailers and in an effective manner.

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In reply to Suave, Apr 23, 2013

The point of paying a tax is pay for government services.  In this case, state services...why should I be taxed by a state such as NY where I am getting no services from.

Yes I understand it isn't a level playing field but the government should come up with a fairer tax way.  The government isn't concerned about the businesses losing sales because of this.  This is a money grab, plan and simple.

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