Which full frame Nikon body is safe to buy?

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regos
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Which full frame Nikon body is safe to buy?
Apr 18, 2013

I have been following all the posts for the last few weeks dealing with the D600 sensor oil/dirt issues, and D800 AF issues as well as oil issues , because I recently decided to get a full frame Nikon, in order to take advantage of my legacy Nikkor lenses in their native focal lenghts and get full frame quality.

I have a D7000 now, which somehow I have never been thrilled with, and in fact, since getting a Fuji X-P1, which has noticably better IQ at all ISO levels, I rarely choose to use the D7k, unless I need flash or telephoto. It also had the oil splatter issue, and I recently got it back from Nikon in LA, supposedly fixed. That remains to be seen, as I haven't used it enough yet to be able to verify.

In any case, I am now fully warned and have decided to not by a Nikon D600 at this time, or probably ever. What is left?  I'm equally afraid of buying a D800 or D800E. I don't need any projects, especially at these prices.

Which full frame Nikon body can I buy that has no known, serious, potentially deal breaking issues?

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In reply to regos, Apr 18, 2013

regos wrote:

I have been following all the posts for the last few weeks dealing with the D600 sensor oil/dirt issues, and D800 AF issues as well as oil issues , because I recently decided to get a full frame Nikon, in order to take advantage of my legacy Nikkor lenses in their native focal lenghts and get full frame quality.

I have a D7000 now, which somehow I have never been thrilled with, and in fact, since getting a Fuji X-P1, which has noticably better IQ at all ISO levels, I rarely choose to use the D7k, unless I need flash or telephoto. It also had the oil splatter issue, and I recently got it back from Nikon in LA, supposedly fixed. That remains to be seen, as I haven't used it enough yet to be able to verify.

In any case, I am now fully warned and have decided to not by a Nikon D600 at this time, or probably ever. What is left?  I'm equally afraid of buying a D800 or D800E. I don't need any projects, especially at these prices.

Which full frame Nikon body can I buy that has no known, serious, potentially deal breaking issues?

What you seem to be missing is the fact that a great many of us have perfectly functioning D600/D800's.  You only hear of the bad stories, because you probably just read on the internet like everyone else (I don't mean that as an insult).  Nobody takes the time to talk about their issue-free cameras because they're out shooting, or they don't care, so all you read about is the bad ones, which grossly exaggerates the perceived issue.

Buy whatever camera you want, and in the off chance it has an issue, exchange it for one that doesn't.  It's extremely simple.  You also have 1-2 years warranty depending where you live, and there are fixes for both "issues".

I personally now have three issue-free D600's purchased all at different times (thousands of frames taken with each), including one purchased on release day.  A friend of mine just got a D800 and it has no left AF issue.  A very large volume Camera store in my area has yet to have a single D600/D800 returned due to dust, oil, or AF issues (I am personal friends with some of the employees so I get the inside scoop).

The issues exist, no question, and I am not trying to brush off those with problems, but not likely anywhere near the degree what reading on DPreview would have you believe.  Keep in mind most people will take the time to talk about how unhappy they are, while probably only 1% of people will bother to talk about how they are happy with their purchases.

Buy whatever camera you want - it will probably be issue free.  If you get unlucky, simply exchange it.  I think you are over thinking this.  Whoever warned you never to buy a D600 or D800 "ever" is totally out to lunch.

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..and not forgetting the D700, D3, D3s and D3X.. especially for 'legacy glass', I would have thought.

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D700

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regos wrote:

I have been following all the posts for the last few weeks dealing with the D600 sensor oil/dirt issues, and D800 AF issues as well as oil issues , because I recently decided to get a full frame Nikon, in order to take advantage of my legacy Nikkor lenses in their native focal lenghts and get full frame quality.

I have a D7000 now, which somehow I have never been thrilled with, and in fact, since getting a Fuji X-P1, which has noticably better IQ at all ISO levels, I rarely choose to use the D7k, unless I need flash or telephoto. It also had the oil splatter issue, and I recently got it back from Nikon in LA, supposedly fixed. That remains to be seen, as I haven't used it enough yet to be able to verify.

In any case, I am now fully warned and have decided to not by a Nikon D600 at this time, or probably ever. What is left?  I'm equally afraid of buying a D800 or D800E. I don't need any projects, especially at these prices.

Which full frame Nikon body can I buy that has no known, serious, potentially deal breaking issues?

All of them.

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regos wrote:

I have been following all the posts for the last few weeks dealing with the D600 sensor oil/dirt issues, and D800 AF issues as well as oil issues , because I recently decided to get a full frame Nikon, in order to take advantage of my legacy Nikkor lenses in their native focal lenghts and get full frame quality.

I have a D7000 now, which somehow I have never been thrilled with, and in fact, since getting a Fuji X-P1, which has noticably better IQ at all ISO levels, I rarely choose to use the D7k, unless I need flash or telephoto. It also had the oil splatter issue, and I recently got it back from Nikon in LA, supposedly fixed. That remains to be seen, as I haven't used it enough yet to be able to verify.

In any case, I am now fully warned and have decided to not by a Nikon D600 at this time, or probably ever. What is left?  I'm equally afraid of buying a D800 or D800E. I don't need any projects, especially at these prices.

Which full frame Nikon body can I buy that has no known, serious, potentially deal breaking issues?

I have an F3P, the toughest and most reliable camera in Nikons history

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If funds are no problem, then I would seriously consider the D4, or if they are look around for a gently used D3s. Both are built to last and function well. I have had my D2x for around 7 yrs now and it is as good today after all the use and abuse that I have given it as it was when I bought it lo these many years ago.

If "safe" is what you want then the D4 is your camera...

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Nothing more to add after what AllOtherNamesTaken has written, except to say that I purchased my D800 on launch day (maybe launch week) from Best Buy and nothing bad to say other than I should go out more to use it. (lack of time).

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I would not hesitate to buy any FF Nikon except the D600

D3, D3S, and D700 are all exemplory bodies and unless you have an issue with 12mp then you can't go wrong with either

Going to new I think the D800 issues are basically solved.  I bought mine April 1st a year ago - no left AF issues or green LCD issues.  I did have inconsistent focus issues but the latest firmware seems to have fixed that.  The Left AF issue is easily determined so if some new ones still have it, it is easily detected.  If you buy from a reputable dealer you should have no problem returning it for another

D4 I think had some issues to a lesser degree but I would say nothing to be concerned with now

But the D600 I, personally would avoid.  Unless it has been determined that they are now being shipped oil / dust issue resolved.  Unlike the D800's left AF issue which you can determine if you have it or not right away, the D600's problem may not show up for months.  My brother bought one Christmas time.  He doesn't follow the forums so he had no idea there was any issue. I was talking to him last week and asked him how the D600 was. Said last week he started noticing some spots in his images.  That's four months after purchase, so too late to take advantage of any return policy.  For anyone that doesn't mind cleaning sensors, I guess no big deal, but I wouldn't want to be doing it because of a manufacturers defect.

So for me, any FF except D600

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In reply to regos, Apr 19, 2013

All of them are safe to buy. Which one is best for you comes down to what you value most, what type of photography you do and how much you are willing to pay. Each of them have pros and cons. Nothing is perfect. But each of them is capable of making breathtaking images in the right hands.

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Pradipta Dutta wrote:

All of them are safe to buy. Which one is best for you comes down to what you value most, what type of photography you do and how much you are willing to pay. Each of them have pros and cons. Nothing is perfect. But each of them is capable of making breathtaking images in the right hands.

You must have missed this from Regos -

"Which full frame Nikon body can I buy that has no known, serious, potentially deal breaking issues?"

and this

"In any case, I am now fully warned and have decided to not by a Nikon D600 at this time, or probably ever. What is left?"

I don't follow the D600 threads as I have no interest in one, and wouldn't be in this thread if it was a D600 thread so...... I've just done a Google search limiting results to threads from the past week, and I could not find anything saying the D600 dust / oil issue is fixed. So for the fellows that have a good one or don't mind cleaning the sensor as needed, everything is good. But that hardly makes it a camera that you would recommend to someone.

Which is a mute point really, as the OP has already ruled the D600 out.

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In reply to regos, Apr 19, 2013

Your bank account will need to wear protection as a full frame body with bite it in the neck and suck it dry.

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d700

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Go for it. The problems are fixed in recent releases.

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Mr Gadget wrote:

If funds are no problem, then I would seriously consider the D4, or if they are look around for a gently used D3s. Both are built to last and function well. I have had my D2x for around 7 yrs now and it is as good today after all the use and abuse that I have given it as it was when I bought it lo these many years ago.

If "safe" is what you want then the D4 is your camera...

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regos wrote:

I Which full frame Nikon body can I buy that has no known, serious, potentially deal breaking issues?

Let's see.  F5 is a pretty good one.   F4 too.  N100.   N90s.

Oh -digital?

Don't see any complaints about D3s, or D3, or D4.

My D800e has been trouble-free all month.  I guess those problems will check in tomorrow.

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regos wrote:

I have been following all the posts for the last few weeks dealing with the D600 sensor oil/dirt issues, and D800 AF issues as well as oil issues , because I recently decided to get a full frame Nikon, in order to take advantage of my legacy Nikkor lenses in their native focal lenghts and get full frame quality.

I have a D7000 now, which somehow I have never been thrilled with, and in fact, since getting a Fuji X-P1, which has noticably better IQ at all ISO levels, I rarely choose to use the D7k, unless I need flash or telephoto. It also had the oil splatter issue, and I recently got it back from Nikon in LA, supposedly fixed. That remains to be seen, as I haven't used it enough yet to be able to verify.

In any case, I am now fully warned and have decided to not by a Nikon D600 at this time, or probably ever. What is left?  I'm equally afraid of buying a D800 or D800E. I don't need any projects, especially at these prices.

Which full frame Nikon body can I buy that has no known, serious, potentially deal breaking issues?

Sounds to me like you should choose another brand.  You will always have doubts, just move on.

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I agree that the problems are overblown and not that common, and there are fixes in place in case something comes up. Or just buy a d4, no known problems with them other than a much slimmer wallet...:-)

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"Sounds to me like you should choose another brand.  You will always have doubts, just move on."

I guess you didn't notice that one of the main reasons I want a full frame Nikon body is to be able to use my legacy Nikkor lenses. I have been shooting Nikons since the late 1960's, starting with the rangefinder Nikon SP. I bought my Nikon F in 1972 and still have, and love, all the Nikkor glass I have collected since then. I had a D70, which I liked. It died suddenly and I replaced it with the D7000 which let me use my old lenses; I even installed an aftermarket split image focusing screen. I am now ready to move up to a full frame body, but the point is to be able to use my f-mount glass.

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yes, just buy a d4, perfect camera!!!!  I have one and love it.

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