best flash accessory for night run?

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b4cktr4ck Regular Member • Posts: 156
best flash accessory for night run?

Hi,

I will be taking some pictures of a night run (Glow Run) on Saturday and will use my 430EX on camera for practicality.

What is the best accessory to use to get some good shots?

I have the diffuser cap , a mini softbox , or I could use a self made bounce card (similar to the one comes with the 580EX) ?. I have also seen bounce cards like these but I'm afraid I'm too late to get one

Using the mini softbox the light seems to be still hard, maybe using the diffuser cap + mini softbox?

Any suggestions on settings? bump ISO to get some ambient, mid aperture to get group of people (5-6) in focus

thanks in advance,

Mike

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Clueless Wanderer
Clueless Wanderer Senior Member • Posts: 1,142
Re: best flash accessory for night run?

Best single accessory for any flash is the means to get the flash 'Off camera'. If possible, I would put the flash on a tripod to your side, the side determined by which way the riders are riding. They should pass camera first, flash second.

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Clueless Wanderer
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Re: best flash accessory for night run?

..Keep your apertures in the low numbers to save batteries and give good recycle times...

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Sailor Blue
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Re: best flash accessory for night run?
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b4cktr4ck wrote:

Hi,

I will be taking some pictures of a night run (Glow Run) on Saturday and will use my 430EX on camera for practicality.

What is the best accessory to use to get some good shots?

I have the diffuser cap , a mini softbox , or I could use a self made bounce card (similar to the one comes with the 580EX) ?. I have also seen bounce cards like these but I'm afraid I'm too late to get one

Using the mini softbox the light seems to be still hard, maybe using the diffuser cap + mini softbox?

The diffuser cap converts the flash into a pseudo bare bulb flash, sending light out in all directions.  In a small room with light colored walls and ceiling the light bounces off the walls and ceiling and back onto the subject, softening the light by diffusing the highlights and shadows. It can be a good accessory in these cases.

In a room with brightly colored walls or ceiling the bounce light picks up the color of the walls and color contaminates your subject so it is not a good accessory to use in those cases.

Outdoors all the light sent in any direction except straight at the subject is wasted so all you get is batteries that are exhausted sooner.

The mini softbox is too little to soften light beyond about 2'.  It is a good accessory for macro photography.

Any suggestions on settings? bump ISO to get some ambient, mid aperture to get group of people (5-6) in focus

The best way is to do what Clueless Wanderer suggested, get your flash off-camera and on a stand.  Add an umbrella if you want the light to be softer but be sure to have someone holding the stand since even the gentlest breeze will catch the umbrella and blow over the stand.

In your case I suggest a 43"-46" umbrella to give you light over the entire subject - a smaller umbrella won't spread the light out enough.

Yongnuo RF-602s or RF-603s will give you remote triggering of the flash without a cord.

I suggest you read Lighting 101 on how Dave Hobby uses a stand & umbrella with off-camera flash.

Strobist - David Hobby's Site

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b4cktr4ck OP Regular Member • Posts: 156
Re: best flash accessory for night run?

thanks for the suggestion, but due to the conditions and moving around I cannot use a stand and off camera flash.

What I am asking is what is the best/accessory way to take these photo with on camera flash?

What would you do if you only had the on camera flash?

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DVasquez
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Re: best flash accessory for night run?

b4cktr4ck wrote:

thanks for the suggestion, but due to the conditions and moving around I cannot use a stand and off camera flash.

What I am asking is what is the best/accessory way to take these photo with on camera flash?

What would you do if you only had the on camera flash?

I would do a search on flickr on glow run and see what settings are being used for various pictures. To me it seems no flash. I think your best bet is a fast lens, a canon 50mm 1.8 prime and disable the flash on the camera but use the flash as it has focus assist which is a great asset. Also I would get a TTL-Off-Camera Flash Cord for Canon EOS - 3' or 6' which you can still use on the fly as you would hold the camera in one hand and the flash in another for better looking flash photography.

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib_GjcYVgmY is helpful and also has an interesting  ring flash accessory.

DVasquez
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Re: best flash accessory for night run?

Short on cash but are handy try this for a ring flash.  http://www.diy-lighting-kits.com/

LincolnB Veteran Member • Posts: 4,107
Re: best flash accessory for night run?

b4cktr4ck wrote:

thanks for the suggestion, but due to the conditions and moving around I cannot use a stand and off camera flash.

Bring a friend and use them as the "voice activated light stand".

What I am asking is what is the best/accessory way to take these photo with on camera flash?

What would you do if you only had the on camera flash?

I'd leave my flash at home or find some other event to take pictures. Seriously, that's what I'd do.

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Sailor Blue
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Re: best flash accessory for night run?

b4cktr4ck wrote:

thanks for the suggestion, but due to the conditions and moving around I cannot use a stand and off camera flash.

What I am asking is what is the best/accessory way to take these photo with on camera flash?

What would you do if you only had the on camera flash?

I would buy a monopod, an umbrella adapter, and a 24" umbrella then mount my flash on the monopod with the umbrella and hold it with my left hand while shooting with my right.  It is all there in Lighting101 on David Hobby's Strobist blog.

Strobist - David Hobby's Site

Joe McNally's "Da Grip" can also be used by right eye shooters.

Joe McNally - Da Grip - YouTube

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Clueless Wanderer
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Re: best flash accessory for night run?

Sailor Blue wrote:

b4cktr4ck wrote:

thanks for the suggestion, but due to the conditions and moving around I cannot use a stand and off camera flash.

What I am asking is what is the best/accessory way to take these photo with on camera flash?

What would you do if you only had the on camera flash?

I would buy a monopod, an umbrella adapter, and a 24" umbrella then mount my flash on the monopod with the umbrella and hold it with my left hand while shooting with my right.  It is all there in Lighting101 on David Hobby's Strobist blog.

Strobist - David Hobby's Site

Joe McNally's "Da Grip" can also be used by right eye shooters.

Joe McNally - Da Grip - YouTube

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b4cktr4ck OP Regular Member • Posts: 156
Re: best flash accessory for night run?
I would buy a monopod, an umbrella adapter, and a 24" umbrella then mount my flash on the monopod with the umbrella and hold it with my left hand while shooting with my right.  It is all there in Lighting101 on David Hobby's Strobist blog.

I really appreciate the feedback and the time taken, but honestly have you ever seen pro photographers at run events roaming around with umbrellas? me not, and the other night was no exception. yes they had monopods but on camera flash with diffuser or ring

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Sailor Blue
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I would buy a monopod, an umbrella adapter, and a 24" umbrella then mount my flash on the monopod with the umbrella and hold it with my left hand while shooting with my right.  It is all there in Lighting101 on David Hobby's Strobist blog.

I really appreciate the feedback and the time taken, but honestly have you ever seen pro photographers at run events roaming around with umbrellas? me not, and the other night was no exception. yes they had monopods but on camera flash with diffuser or ring

Deer in the headlights images.

Set yourself apart and get better images by using that umbrella.

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Clueless Wanderer
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Re: best flash accessory for night run?

b4cktr4ck wrote:

I would buy a monopod, an umbrella adapter, and a 24" umbrella then mount my flash on the monopod with the umbrella and hold it with my left hand while shooting with my right.  It is all there in Lighting101 on David Hobby's Strobist blog.

I really appreciate the feedback and the time taken, but honestly have you ever seen pro photographers at run events roaming around with umbrellas? me not, and the other night was no exception. yes they had monopods but on camera flash with diffuser or ring

..And Thats why your images will be different from the crowds (not doing as they do) .. ..

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Daniel Lauring
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b4cktr4ck wrote:

I would buy a monopod, an umbrella adapter, and a 24" umbrella then mount my flash on the monopod with the umbrella and hold it with my left hand while shooting with my right.  It is all there in Lighting101 on David Hobby's Strobist blog.

I really appreciate the feedback and the time taken, but honestly have you ever seen pro photographers at run events roaming around with umbrellas? me not, and the other night was no exception. yes they had monopods but on camera flash with diffuser or ring

You are right.  It is hard to walk around with such a setup.  On the other hand, many photographers will come early and work with officials to set up lights for their shoot.  They might, for example, have a light clamped to a sign or light post and work a spot that it illuminates.  You see this all the time at indoor events.  At an outdoor event it will tie you to a location, but that is often how it is done.

Barrie Davis
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b4cktr4ck wrote:

What would you do if you only had the on camera flash?

Then don't bother.

Accessories will consume (waste) power with making any noticable improvement to the light quality.

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Re: best flash accessory for night run?

I got these: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=orderHistory&A=details&Q=&sku=873367&is=REG

I have not had much time to test them but so far so good.

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