18-200 or 70-300 VR with D7100?

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18-200 or 70-300 VR with D7100?
Apr 18, 2013

Since right now a lot of retailers are offering instant rebates on lenses, when purchased with a body I am thinking about getting D7100. The only issue is that I cannot decide what lens should I get, whether 18-200 or 70-300. I know that they are totally different lenses but I am only interested in finding out what is the better value for money and which one will provide better IQ with D7100.

I believe there is $250 rebate on 18-200 and $200 rebate on 70-300 VR. Rebate is valid till April 27.

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I've had both lenses. While I like the 18-200 VR there's no debating that the 70-300 VR has better image quality. The 18-200 has other advantages, but when it comes to IQ the 70-300 VR is better. However, if you don't print larger than 8x10, or if you don't crop heavily, or if you only display your photos electronically, you won't see much difference. The difference shows up more the more you magnify the image.

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In reply to ajamils1, Apr 18, 2013

I have both the 18-200 VRII and the 70-300 VR.  In the range where these two overlap, the 70-300 VR is decisevely superior optically.  It also focuses better than the 18-200 VRII.  The 70-300 VRII is a true "cheap" sports lens.  However, the 18-200 VRII does quite well at the shorter end, and I appreciate having one.  However, I would favor considering the 16-85 VRII as your first kit lens, if you can afford it.  (Yesterday Amazon listed it for $600, which is lower than recent norms.)  I prefer the 16-85 for landscapes and the 18-200 for candids.

If you can afford getting the 70-300 VR at a discount through the promotion, and then buy a 16-85 VRII separately, you have the most range for the buck in proven performers.

Good luck!

I hope this helps.

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The Nikon Outlet store has refurbished 70-300s for $299 right now.

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harpo95993 wrote:

The Nikon Outlet store has refurbished 70-300s for $299 right now.

Not that one...that's the much older "D" version without the AF-S motor and inferior optics.

We're talking about the "G" version.

The 18-200 is an OK lens but not the best compromise for this camera.  The best pairing would be either a 16-85 + 70-300 or an 18-105 + 70-300, the latter being $200 cheaper.  With either the 16-85 or 18-105, you will not have the 70-300 mounted much unless you are into deep telephoto.

Beyond these options you start talking faster, shorter zooms and 3rd party offerings.  For example, the Sigma 17-70 f2.8-f4.0 "C" ($500) and 70-300G is 2/3 stop faster than the 16-85 in their common FL range, but is starting to get a bit short on the tele end.  It's always good to have some overlap between lenses because no lens is at its best at the extremes of its FL range.

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mosswings wrote:

harpo95993 wrote:

The Nikon Outlet store has refurbished 70-300s for $299 right now.

Not that one...that's the much older "D" version without the AF-S motor and inferior optics.

We're talking about the "G" version.

The 18-200 is an OK lens but not the best compromise for this camera.  The best pairing would be either a 16-85 + 70-300 or an 18-105 + 70-300, the latter being $200 cheaper.  With either the 16-85 or 18-105, you will not have the 70-300 mounted much unless you are into deep telephoto.

Beyond these options you start talking faster, shorter zooms and 3rd party offerings.  For example, the Sigma 17-70 f2.8-f4.0 "C" ($500) and 70-300G is 2/3 stop faster than the 16-85 in their common FL range, but is starting to get a bit short on the tele end.  It's always good to have some overlap between lenses because no lens is at its best at the extremes of its FL range.

Actually it's the latest version.

http://shop.nikonusa.com/store/nikonusa/en_US/pd/ThemeID.27720500/productID.213464000

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mosswings wrote:

harpo95993 wrote:

The Nikon Outlet store has refurbished 70-300s for $299 right now.

Not that one...that's the much older "D" version without the AF-S motor and inferior optics.

As harpo already said, the refurbished 70-300mm at $299 is the newest AF-S VR lens:

http://shop.nikonusa.com/store/nikonusa/en_US/pd/ThemeID.27720500/productID.213464000

We're talking about the "G" version.

Careful with the naming simplification - the "G" version of the 70-300mm (without the added AF-S and VR designations) is a $170 lens of questionable quality:

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Camera-Lenses/1928/AF-Zoom-NIKKOR-70-300mm-f%252F4-5.6G.html

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harpo95993 wrote:

mosswings wrote:

harpo95993 wrote:

The Nikon Outlet store has refurbished 70-300s for $299 right now.

Not that one...that's the much older "D" version without the AF-S motor and inferior optics.

We're talking about the "G" version.

The 18-200 is an OK lens but not the best compromise for this camera.  The best pairing would be either a 16-85 + 70-300 or an 18-105 + 70-300, the latter being $200 cheaper.  With either the 16-85 or 18-105, you will not have the 70-300 mounted much unless you are into deep telephoto.

Beyond these options you start talking faster, shorter zooms and 3rd party offerings.  For example, the Sigma 17-70 f2.8-f4.0 "C" ($500) and 70-300G is 2/3 stop faster than the 16-85 in their common FL range, but is starting to get a bit short on the tele end.  It's always good to have some overlap between lenses because no lens is at its best at the extremes of its FL range.

Actually it's the latest version.

http://shop.nikonusa.com/store/nikonusa/en_US/pd/ThemeID.27720500/productID.213464000

Oops, you're right.  Got lost in all those dang letters.  OP, this is a good price...the main difference may be in the length of the warranty. New lenses usually have a 5 year term if you register using the card in the box.

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Patco wrote:

mosswings wrote:

harpo95993 wrote:

The Nikon Outlet store has refurbished 70-300s for $299 right now.

Not that one...that's the much older "D" version without the AF-S motor and inferior optics.

As harpo already said, the refurbished 70-300mm at $299 is the newest AF-S VR lens:

http://shop.nikonusa.com/store/nikonusa/en_US/pd/ThemeID.27720500/productID.213464000

We're talking about the "G" version.

Careful with the naming simplification - the "G" version of the 70-300mm (without the added AF-S and VR designations) is a $170 lens of questionable quality:

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Camera-Lenses/1928/AF-Zoom-NIKKOR-70-300mm-f%252F4-5.6G.html

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Quite right.  The refurb in question is the desired AF-S VR G that retails for about $589.  The $170 lens is the inferior version I was thinking of.  I screwed up.

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In reply to mosswings, Apr 18, 2013

How long is the warranty on Nikon refurbs? The brand new lens is coming out to $385 + tax (after rebate) and the refub is $299 + tax + $10 shipping. So in the end, it might just be a matter of $30-

$40.

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ajamils1 wrote:

How long is the warranty on Nikon refurbs? The brand new lens is coming out to $385 + tax (after rebate) and the refub is $299 + tax + $10 shipping. So in the end, it might just be a matter of $30-

$40.

Not sure but if you're buying it with the D7100 go that route.  You'll get a 5 year warranty plus a new vs refurbished lens.  Why plus tax on the new stuff?

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harpo95993 wrote:

ajamils1 wrote:

How long is the warranty on Nikon refurbs? The brand new lens is coming out to $385 + tax (after rebate) and the refub is $299 + tax + $10 shipping. So in the end, it might just be a matter of $30-

$40.

Not sure but if you're buying it with the D7100 go that route.  You'll get a 5 year warranty plus a new vs refurbished lens.  Why plus tax on the new stuff

Yes, I plan on getting it with D7100 and I'm gonna buy it from Bestbuy (to use $120 gift card and 18 months interest free financing) that's why I will have to pay tax.

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In reply to ajamils1, Apr 19, 2013

Just a quick update, I picked up D7100 with 70-300 and been taking  pictures around the house. Really like the solid feel and grip of the camera. Also, camera (with 70-300 mounted) is not as big as I had expected, especially compared to my GH3 with 100-300mm mounted.

On the IQ, the story is not that great (so far). Granted, I have only used the slow lens..... I am very disappointed with the amount of noise in the pictures. When compared with GH3 + 100-300 mm (nothing scientific), GH3 seems to be producing a lot cleaner JPGs out of the camera than D7100.

Oh well, I will try it out for few days and if I am still disappointed then I will return it and either get D5200 or just go back to m4/3.

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Hello, I had the D7000and now I have the D7100, I also have both lenses,  I use both of them but for most of my use, I like the 18- 200 it's not quite as sharp as the 70-300 but it's much more versatile I love the wide angle 18 mm and I love the reach, 200mm  I would suggest getting the 18- 200 1st and then later getting the 70-300. I think you get more utility out of the 18- 200, but certainly the 70-300 for the monies is hard to beat hope that helps

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ajamils1 wrote:

Just a quick update, I picked up D7100 with 70-300 and been taking  pictures around the house. Really like the solid feel and grip of the camera. Also, camera (with 70-300 mounted) is not as big as I had expected, especially compared to my GH3 with 100-300mm mounted.

On the IQ, the story is not that great (so far). Granted, I have only used the slow lens..... I am very disappointed with the amount of noise in the pictures. When compared with GH3 + 100-300 mm (nothing scientific), GH3 seems to be producing a lot cleaner JPGs out of the camera than D7100.

Oh well, I will try it out for few days and if I am still disappointed then I will return it and either get D5200 or just go back to m4/3.

That shouldn't be. If you are shooting JPEG's with the D7100 you get the best results shooting Large Fine JPEG's. If you are getting too much noise try setting the Noise Reduction to High. If they have similar settings the D7100 should have less noise than the GH3.

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ajamils1 wrote:

Since right now a lot of retailers are offering instant rebates on lenses, when purchased with a body I am thinking about getting D7100. The only issue is that I cannot decide what lens should I get, whether 18-200 or 70-300. I know that they are totally different lenses but I am only interested in finding out what is the better value for money and which one will provide better IQ with D7100.

I believe there is $250 rebate on 18-200 and $200 rebate on 70-300 VR. Rebate is valid till April 27.

The 55-300 is better than the 18-200, if you want value for money that would be a great option.

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Shunda77 wrote:

ajamils1 wrote:

Since right now a lot of retailers are offering instant rebates on lenses, when purchased with a body I am thinking about getting D7100. The only issue is that I cannot decide what lens should I get, whether 18-200 or 70-300. I know that they are totally different lenses but I am only interested in finding out what is the better value for money and which one will provide better IQ with D7100.

I believe there is $250 rebate on 18-200 and $200 rebate on 70-300 VR. Rebate is valid till April 27.

The 55-300 is better than the 18-200, if you want value for money that would be a great option.

It's not better if you need under 55mm.

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mgd43 wrote:

ajamils1 wrote:

Just a quick update, I picked up D7100 with 70-300 and been taking  pictures around the house. Really like the solid feel and grip of the camera. Also, camera (with 70-300 mounted) is not as big as I had expected, especially compared to my GH3 with 100-300mm mounted.

On the IQ, the story is not that great (so far). Granted, I have only used the slow lens..... I am very disappointed with the amount of noise in the pictures. When compared with GH3 + 100-300 mm (nothing scientific), GH3 seems to be producing a lot cleaner JPGs out of the camera than D7100.

Oh well, I will try it out for few days and if I am still disappointed then I will return it and either get D5200 or just go back to m4/3.

That shouldn't be. If you are shooting JPEG's with the D7100 you get the best results shooting Large Fine JPEG's. If you are getting too much noise try setting the Noise Reduction to High. If they have similar settings the D7100 should have less noise than the GH3.

Good lord.  How can you give advice about noise when you haven't even seen a smaple with EXIF data, to see how the OP is shooting?

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ajamils1 wrote:

Just a quick update, I picked up D7100 with 70-300 and been taking  pictures around the house. Really like the solid feel and grip of the camera. Also, camera (with 70-300 mounted) is not as big as I had expected, especially compared to my GH3 with 100-300mm mounted.

On the IQ, the story is not that great (so far). Granted, I have only used the slow lens..... I am very disappointed with the amount of noise in the pictures. When compared with GH3 + 100-300 mm (nothing scientific), GH3 seems to be producing a lot cleaner JPGs out of the camera than D7100.

Oh well, I will try it out for few days and if I am still disappointed then I will return it and either get D5200 or just go back to m4/3.

Post examples with EXIF data intact.  Perhaps we can help you shoot with less noise.

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nfpotter wrote:

Shunda77 wrote:

ajamils1 wrote:

Since right now a lot of retailers are offering instant rebates on lenses, when purchased with a body I am thinking about getting D7100. The only issue is that I cannot decide what lens should I get, whether 18-200 or 70-300. I know that they are totally different lenses but I am only interested in finding out what is the better value for money and which one will provide better IQ with D7100.

I believe there is $250 rebate on 18-200 and $200 rebate on 70-300 VR. Rebate is valid till April 27.

The 55-300 is better than the 18-200, if you want value for money that would be a great option.

It's not better if you need under 55mm.

Then the 70-300 that the op referenced would be even worse.

Did you even read the original post?

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