Panasonic GH3 review published

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Actually I went back and looked at the final scores for both the GH2 & GH3 and under the Ergonomics & Handling category they scored the GH2 higher????? doesn't that contradict what they were saying throughout the review????

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Is it possible that some cameras have faulty EVF's and others not ?

I'm still thinking that my theory about improperly assembled or reversed eyepieces on some of the early GH3s is plausible...

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Aleo Veuliah wrote:

Is it possible that some cameras have faulty EVF's and others not ?

I'm still thinking that my theory about improperly assembled or reversed eyepieces on some of the early GH3s is plausible...

But it seems highly unlikely that Panasonic would send DPR a defective GH3 Sean - if Panasonic have quietly changed the GH3 EVF optics in later batches surely it would have made sense for them to ensure that DPR had a GH3 for testing that is from the "good" batch ?!

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rrr_hhh wrote:

exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

indeed, because Butler wears glasses... the issue is his eyesight, for people w/ 20/20 there is no problem.

PS: here is a shot of what people w/ normal eyesight see in GH3 viewfinder - a raw file = https://www.box.com/s/6o1cnxna3qbxf24swhym ... you are welcome to produce one that that shows the effect described and we can then check what was the angle and distanc from eye to viewfinder.

Here we go with the raw file theory again which makes no sense.

actually it does because the focal of the lens used is close to the normal eyesight and note - I actually produce something besides hearsay and JPG files that clearly showed that shot was taken at a significant distance from EVF

You're in complete denial... the review clearly states that the problem was noticeable and then made worse by wearing glasses.

again - reviewer has issues w/ his eyesight, so no wonder that he has issues w/ viewfinder w/o his glasses... if you want to state that GH3 viewfinder was not created for people w/ such issues then I have nothing to say really, but for people w/ normal eyesight there are no issues at all (see the raw file which shows what 20/20 eyesight sees).

Have a look at this statistic of the proportion of people needing correcting glasses :

75% of the Americans need some form of correcting lenses and 65% uses glasses. Of course, not all will wear their glasses to look in the VF. Still a pretty high group will need glasses to use a camera. So yes it is a disability, but a light and frequent one, which needs consideration from cameras manufacturers and reviewers, no need to be contemptuous toward them.

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Yes. And the main thing is that all other view finders work just fine, only the GH3 finder is strange. That cannot be attributed to the users, but to a flawed optical design.

In my view, Panasonic tried to put a 16:9 aspect ratio view finder in a small as possible case, and they went to far on that.

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I have used two GH3, one for a few hours, and other for a full day, they were different cameras, and I have not found any issues with the EVF.

Is it possible that some cameras have faulty EVF's and others not ?

Is not the EVF made by Epson ?


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If so, there must be a huge number of faulty GH3 samples, because I haven't found one single one, witch had a good finder with no issues. I have looked now at 8 GH3 samples during the last three months at various dealers.

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Scores are relative. While Gh2 was at least the best in the (m)43 segemnt, now it is not. It is even slightly behind OMD if we look at all parameters. I even have some trouble seeing the difference with my GH2, although the studiosamples do not allow to detect the DR difference which is the biggest difference of course.

About the ergonomics: I have handheld theGH3 with the14-140 and Idid not like it better than my GH2 for instance. The grip is fine, but the weight is an ergonomic downside to me.

Aleo's remarks on the EVF and it not being constant is more interesting to me.

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In reply to amtberg, Apr 16, 2013

I'd rather they had licensed Canon's Electronic First Curtain Shutter patents and used that, but also needs the sensor designed to do it so non-trivial. (You have to be able to enable the rows at exactly the speed the second curtain will pass over them.)

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or through it. The EVF is a failure. You cannothave an EVF that causes a lot of people to have problems with it. So even if there are more people who do not have a problem, this is unacceptable I think.

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In reply to Aleo Veuliah, Apr 16, 2013

As i said recently it's not great but not a deal-breaker for me. I tried two in shops and bought one from a third shop and they all like you to keep your eye centred quite accurately. Also there is an interesting difference between using peripheral vision and actually looking at various parts of the viewfinder.
I'm personally unconvinced it is down to eye defects as I've used a lot of EVFs over the years and never seen this before, including my previous Panasonic one, plus my vision is pretty good (not 20/20 though).
I do think it's the optics not the display - I found the E-M5 to be great for example, but the GH3 to be a significant step up in everything except EVF and weight (for me that is).
Since several professional reviewers and a bunch of people here agree with me I don't think we're imagining it.

**** However I will say it does seem to be critical on the diopter adjustment, so I wonder if some people have a setting that is perfect for them and others lose out between stops due to it being hyper-critical. I would say mess with this a bit if you have a problem. ****

BTW it doesn't worry me when shooting, nor the fact I haven't got the colours accurate enough yet, but would have been nice to have been better in the first place (e.g. like the already mentioned E-M5).

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Dr_Jon wrote:

I'd rather they had licensed Canon's Electronic First Curtain Shutter patents and used that, but also needs the sensor designed to do it so non-trivial. (You have to be able to enable the rows at exactly the speed the second curtain will pass over them.)

Recent NEX models have an electronic first curtain too. Certainly valuable I would think but I don't think it's complicated. It's just a matter of making the sensor capable of resetting quickly enough, which it seems both Canon and Sony can do, perhaps in different ways. If the hardware can do it quickly enough, it's not much of a problem to program it so that the speed matches that of the second curtain.

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Re: About the EVF.
In reply to Dr_Jon, Apr 16, 2013

I agree with you about the diopter adjustment it took me a little while to dial in the correct setting for me, the diopter adjustment has quite a bit more adjustment range than my G2 does. I'm thinking the same as you that a lot of people aren't taking the time or knowing the diopter has that much range and aren't adjusting it right!

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In reply to Jorginho, Apr 16, 2013

I don't agree but everything is subjective, my point is they praise the GH3's updated ergonomics throughout the review then contradict themselves in the final score? IMO the GH3 is SO!! much easier to hold and operate then the previous models (esp with the grip attached)

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In reply to Richard Butler, Apr 16, 2013

Mushy definition. Mute and/or odd colors. Crunched contrast.

That's what I see in the samples gallery...Didn't know this could be done at this time in digital camera development history.

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sea_dragon wrote:

"However, we found the viewfinder optics to be disappointing - it's difficult to ever see the whole panel and the corners are fuzzy unless you look straight at them (a problem that gets even worse if you wear glasses). "

Oddly enough, I wear glasses and find the GH3's EVF to be the best I've used -- including a couple of Sony Alphas and a GH2. It gives me no trouble at all.

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I agree with you!! I can not understand what all the complaining is about???

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In reply to gregs4163, Apr 16, 2013

Though even after that for me the problem hasn't gone away, just got somewhat better. (On my previous Panasonic there were probably 2-3 clicks that were hard to tell any difference between, made it simple to adjust after getting knocked, not so true on the GH3, well for me anyway.)

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gregs4163 wrote:

Actually I went back and looked at the final scores for both the GH2 & GH3 and under the Ergonomics & Handling category they scored the GH2 higher????? doesn't that contradict what they were saying throughout the review????

Yes a bit, the GH3 is larger but ergonomics are better.


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Which is actually more annoying in some ways as Sony did a deal with Canon and Panasonic didn't... Still that's the way of things... (I suspect Sony had something Canon wanted Patent-wise.)

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Re: About the EVF. / And what is strange.
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Jorginho wrote:

Scores are relative. While Gh2 was at least the best in the (m)43 segemnt, now it is not. It is even slightly behind OMD if we look at all parameters. I even have some trouble seeing the difference with my GH2, although the studiosamples do not allow to detect the DR difference which is the biggest difference of course.

About the ergonomics: I have handheld theGH3 with the14-140 and Idid not like it better than my GH2 for instance. The grip is fine, but the weight is an ergonomic downside to me.

Aleo's remarks on the EVF and it not being constant is more interesting to me.

What is strange is that the two GH3 I have tested, have the same EVF performance, I wonder really if there is some series that have a faulty EVF. If so Panasonic should replace them.


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Sean Nelson wrote:

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

Is it possible that some cameras have faulty EVF's and others not ?

I'm still thinking that my theory about improperly assembled or reversed eyepieces on some of the early GH3s is plausible...

Yes maybe it is that, Dpreview should ask that to Panasonic and ask for another camera to test.,


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Aleo Veuliah wrote:

I have used two GH3, one for a few hours, and other for a full day, they were different cameras, and I have not found any issues with the EVF.

Is it possible that some cameras have faulty EVF's and others not ?

Is not the EVF made by Epson ?


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If so, there must be a huge number of faulty GH3 samples, because I haven't found one single one, witch had a good finder with no issues. I have looked now at 8 GH3 samples during the last three months at various dealers.

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Maybe it is the time they were manufactured, but the first GH3 I have seen it was not even a final product.


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