Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS USM vs. Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM

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Apr 14, 2013

OK I know I need to reach 300mm. Shooting flying eagles and moving fishing boats. What would be your take on the difference....

I would want to use a 1.4x on the 70-200. Which would get me a 280 reach. Would I be closer to F-4 with the converter? Still be able to be faster with the converter than the 5.6 on the 300mm? I need it fast as I can as the birds can get blurred when trying to track them. Thanks so much. A couple examples of what I am trying to do. They were shot with a 70-300mm that I rented.

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I have the 70-300L IS USM lens, and could not be more happier its a great lens.  

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OK I know I need to reach 300mm. Shooting flying eagles and moving fishing boats. What would be your take on the difference....

I would want to use a 1.4x on the 70-200. Which would get me a 280 reach. Would I be closer to F-4 with the converter? Still be able to be faster with the converter than the 5.6 on the 300mm? I need it fast as I can as the birds can get blurred when trying to track them. Thanks so much. A couple examples of what I am trying to do. They were shot with a 70-300mm that I rented.

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and I was okay with zooms (which I have become over the last couple of years), I might give this rumor a few months to come to fruition.

http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/03/new-100-400-to-launch-with-eos-7d-mark-ii-cr2/

Not sure I understand your question. The 1.4x TC reduces your light by 1 stop and the 2x TC by 2 stops. Seems to me with a 1.4x TC on the 70-200, you would be at f5.6 with either lens @ maximum FL.

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1.4x TC on the 70-200 2.8 = f4   (1 stop)

2x    TC on the 70-200 28 = f5.6 (2 stops)

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FWIW, I would go with the 70-300L. 1.4 on the 70-200f/2.8 gives you f/4 @ 280. You may get better IQ with the bare 300 on the 70-300. Regardless of it being f/5.6 @ 300, it's the SS that stops the motion blurr from the moving subjects, & as you are seemingly shooting outside in reasonably good light, & the fact that the 70-300L is a really great lens, I would go with it. A 2x on the 70-200 giving f/5.6? You would have to ask those who have compared IQ of that combo. Would the 70-300L be better cropped than the 70-200f/2.8 with 2xtc? not sure. Nice shots by the way.

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That is just what my question was, and may be a little silly. The 2.8 70-200 with the converters VS. the 4-5.6 70-300 by it's self.

You can see how soaked this bird is, it is the conditions I have often to shoot.

I need to scan through a bunch of my favorite shots and see what focal length I am using most. I actually shoot in a lot of very grey stormy kind of weather in Alaska. Hence my desire for that low F stop. And I need the zoom, as I am restricted in my movements being on a boat most the time.

Anyone shooting the f/4 or f2.8 70-200mm IS with the extenders, and happy? I suspect the 1.4X is good, are the 2.0X also good?

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Jmolan wrote:

OK I know I need to reach 300mm. Shooting flying eagles and moving fishing boats. What would be your take on the difference....

I would want to use a 1.4x on the 70-200. Which would get me a 280 reach. Would I be closer to F-4 with the converter? Still be able to be faster with the converter than the 5.6 on the 300mm? I need it fast as I can as the birds can get blurred when trying to track them. Thanks so much. A couple examples of what I am trying to do. They were shot with a 70-300mm that I rented.

For birds in flight, even eagles, I recommend you hold out for at least 400mm.  I use the 100-400L.  Another good option is the 400 f/5.6L prime.  Some folks also use the 70-200 f/2.8L II with a 2x TC.  There are also some third-party options.  And, as another poster mentiioned, you could hold out for the new 100-400L II (which although still only a rumor, I think is quite likely to come true in the near future).

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I have both, and find the 70-300L to be a fantastic lens -- and lighter than the 70-200L IS II. Both are great lenses, but I use the 70-200 in low light, and the 70-300 when I need a little more reach.

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I own both the 70-300L and the 70-200 F2.8 NON IS.

The 70-200 gives noticeable better sharpness but the 70-300 is no slouch and its sharpness is plenty good. I love this lens as it is smaller, lighter and I am much more likely to bring it with me unless I need the extra F-stop. The 70-300 also performs SLIGHTLY better at 300mm than the 70-200 does at 280mm with the 1.4 converter.

The 70-200 F2.8 with 1.4x converter will give you 280mm F4. The 70-300 at 300mm is a 5.6 lens.

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Jmolan wrote:

OK I know I need to reach 300mm. Shooting flying eagles and moving fishing boats. What would be your take on the difference....

I would want to use a 1.4x on the 70-200. Which would get me a 280 reach. Would I be closer to F-4 with the converter? Still be able to be faster with the converter than the 5.6 on the 300mm? I need it fast as I can as the birds can get blurred when trying to track them. Thanks so much. A couple examples of what I am trying to do. They were shot with a 70-300mm that I rented.

For birds in flight, even eagles, I recommend you hold out for at least 400mm.  I use the 100-400L.  Another good option is the 400 f/5.6L prime.  Some folks also use the 70-200 f/2.8L II with a 2x TC.  There are also some third-party options.  And, as another poster mentiioned, you could hold out for the new 100-400L II (which although still only a rumor, I think is quite likely to come true in the near future).

Great shots, I see they are all cranked out to 400mm. I have a unique situation I should mention. I am surrounded by Eagles, sometimes very close, and the flying is close by. I will show a few examples. A lot of my shots are under 200mm.

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Jmolan wrote:

That is just what my question was, and may be a little silly. The 2.8 70-200 with the converters VS. the 4-5.6 70-300 by it's self.

You can see how soaked this bird is, it is the conditions I have often to shoot.

I need to scan through a bunch of my favorite shots and see what focal length I am using most. I actually shoot in a lot of very grey stormy kind of weather in Alaska. Hence my desire for that low F stop. And I need the zoom, as I am restricted in my movements being on a boat most the time.

Anyone shooting the f/4 or f2.8 70-200mm IS with the extenders, and happy? I suspect the 1.4X is good, are the 2.0X also good?

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I have the 70-200 f/2.8L II and the 70-300L and both are very sharp and produce the quality of images that people expect.  I haven't done any comparisons of test shots between the 70-200/1.4x and the 70-300, but the 70-200/1.4x is still very good.  If you get the 70-200, the consensus is that most 1.4x teleconverters are good and the Canon 2x III is probably the only 2x TC worth getting.  For 1.4x I have the basic Tamron, the Tamron SP Pro and the Kenko DGX Pro, and for 2x I have the Canon III.  When using the 2x TC the AF speed takes a big hit.  Reports are that the 70-300 can work with the Kenko DGX 1.4x, but it's probably dependent on the body and available light, so I wouldn't necessarily count on it working consistently.

When you look at your shots to see what type of focal lengths you'll need, take a close look at the photos taken in poor light.  The difference between f/4 and f/5.6 is one stop, so if those shots were taken at f/5.6, they will have twice the shutter speed, half the ISO, or some combination of the two if taken at f/4.  Try to determine how much of a difference that one stop will make.  If ISO and therefore noise is the bigger consideration, maybe using noise reduction software will make up the difference at a much lower cost to you.

Also, how much do you need the wide end on your lens?  Using a 1.4x TC brings the 70-200 to 98mm on the wide end.  If that is still ok and you can also live with f/5.6, then also consider the 100-400 if the size is acceptable.

Canon started a new rebate for 4/14-4/27, so it should save you some money on whichever lens you get.  At B&H, the 70-300L is $1329, the 100-400L is not listed but $1499 at Adorama and Amazon, and the 70-200L is $2099.  There are rebates on the Canon 1.4x and 2x TC III also.  As usual, if you want the larger aperture, it's going to cost you...

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Very nice!  Looks like 300mm is enough for you.  I live in Juneau, Alaska, and there are eagles all around here, but I still need at least 400mm, even on a 7D, and could use more.  How are your able to get so close?

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We have the perfect set up a constant supply of fishing boats delivering. As you can see, this young lady was getting encouragement from me to keep getting closer. Sometimes it works, sometimes they fly off.

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Very nice!  Looks like 300mm is enough for you.  I live in Juneau, Alaska, and there are eagles all around here, but I still need at least 400mm, even on a 7D, and could use more.  How are your able to get so close?

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I bought the 70-300L a few weeks ago and absolutely love it.

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I own both.  If you already have the 70-200 2.8L ISII, then definitely go with the converter. the image quality with the TC is excellent, and certainly at f 5.6,  it is at least as good as the 70-300.  focus speed will be close.   what body are you using?

I would say the best birding zoom lens is the 100-400L.  you can never have enough reach.  in that price range that is your best choice. the 70-300L is a great lens, b/c it packs smaller and is lighter with great image quality.  the 70-200L with the TC wiill set you back about 900 more.  in return you get an excellent 2.8 lens.

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FWIW, I would go with the 70-300L. 1.4 on the 70-200f/2.8 gives you f/4 @ 280. You may get better IQ with the bare 300 on the 70-300. Regardless of it being f/5.6 @ 300, it's the SS that stops the motion blurr from the moving subjects, & as you are seemingly shooting outside in reasonably good light, & the fact that the 70-300L is a really great lens, I would go with it. A 2x on the 70-200 giving f/5.6? You would have to ask those who have compared IQ of that combo. Would the 70-300L be better cropped than the 70-200f/2.8 with 2xtc? not sure. Nice shots by the way.

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Actually Lee the IS doesn't do anything to reduce motion blur from the subject (if that's what you meant), only motion of the camera.

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70-300L - I just rented this and really liking. I am reading this thread to see what TC choices for 70-300L and would I lose 1stop light, from f5.6 , comes down to f8. and I use T3i for now, in future intend to 7D

does it have AF at f8? with TC

I just see 1 choice in amazon "Kenko 1.4X PRO 300 Teleconverter DGX for Canon EOS Digital SLRs"

and it doesn't even say that it fits this Lens

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