If I hate D7100, will I hate D600?

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lordbeau
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If I hate D7100, will I hate D600?
Apr 13, 2013

(D300s owner). Disliked D7100 for various reason, not just QC - slow buffer, high ISO quite choppy, and overexposure.

Just wondering if the D600 is as annoying. Better buffer and better ISO..... perhaps I'll like it?

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Re: If I hate D7100, will I hate D600?
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lordbeau wrote:

(D300s owner). Disliked D7100 for various reason, not just QC - slow buffer, high ISO quite choppy, and overexposure.

Just wondering if the D600 is as annoying. Better buffer and better ISO..... perhaps I'll like it?

Who needs a faster/larger buffer?  Learn to time and get the moment. Then the D7100 is PLENTY enough.  I have been with pro sports photographers who use a D4 and don't even machinegun with them.

Or get a D4. You get what you pay for.  The high iso noise on the D7100 is very adequate according to every review so far for a APS-C DSLR.

But yes; D600  has less noise and a larger buffer; So maybe you'll like it

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lordbeau wrote:

(D300s owner). Disliked D7100 for various reason, not just QC - slow buffer, high ISO quite choppy, and overexposure.

Just wondering if the D600 is as annoying. Better buffer and better ISO..... perhaps I'll like it?

Sold my D300S over a year ago as I did not like dealing with level of noise visible even by ISO 800 as compared to D700. This should be even better in D600 (which I do not own) if that is a concern.

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In reply to lordbeau, Apr 13, 2013

Ask another way:

If I own an older Audi S4, and hate the newer Golf GTI, will I hate the new A6 wagon/avant?

None of the cameras you mention are equal. It's about what you need. The D800 body is closest to the D300s body as ergonomics and 'feeling' go. The D600 feels like a slightly beefed up D7100. None are FPS or buffer kings, but they're pumping out more data per frame than the D300s.

The D7100 & D600 is better than the D300s in every lighting condition and category. It has better IQ all around. For me, thankfully, the deal breaker was lack of an AF-ON button. If you're used to using that and using the AE-L button it may be a tough switch.

If you're happy with the resolution of the D300s and the ergonomics and the FPS, look at a D700. With AA batteries or D3 batteries in the grip, it can do 8 fps.
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Re: If I hate D7100, will I hate D600?
In reply to lordbeau, Apr 13, 2013

Please don't take this the wrong way but with a negative attitude you'll be looking for flaws in any camera you own. Learn how to use it, they all have some limitations. Try looking at what you DO like about your camera and get out there and do some photography.

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Re: If I hate D7100, will I hate D600?
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mgblack74 wrote:

Ask another way:

If I own an older Audi S4, and hate the newer Golf GTI, will I hate the new A6 wagon/avant?

None of the cameras you mention are equal. It's about what you need. The D800 body is closest to the D300s body as ergonomics and 'feeling' go. The D600 feels like a slightly beefed up D7100. None are FPS or buffer kings, but they're pumping out more data per frame than the D300s.

The D7100 & D600 is better than the D300s in every lighting condition and category. It has better IQ all around. For me, thankfully, the deal breaker was lack of an AF-ON button. If you're used to using that and using the AE-L button it may be a tough switch.

If you're happy with the resolution of the D300s and the ergonomics and the FPS, look at a D700. With AA batteries or D3 batteries in the grip, it can do 8 fps.
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I would have to disagree.  The D600 has way better IQ.  Dxo Mark backs this up.  You can't compare a DX to a FX camera.

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lordbeau wrote:

(D300s owner). Disliked D7100 for various reason, not just QC - slow buffer, high ISO quite choppy, and overexposure.

Just wondering if the D600 is as annoying. Better buffer and better ISO..... perhaps I'll like it?

Hate is a strong word, but you will probably feel the difference from a D300. I used to have a D300 and a D5100 in parallel. Often, I used the D5100 because of the much better image quality (high ISO, dynamic range, number of pixels, etc.), but, boy, did I feel that it was not a D300 in my hands.

Once I took the D5100 as my only camera on a trip and a friend of mine brought his D300. I knew my pictures would turn out much better than his, but every now and then I begged him to lend me the D300 just to have the feel of it.

Grab a D300. Grab a D800. Grab a D600. If the feeling in your hands is in any way important to you, I doubt you would be happy with a D600.

If, on the other hand, you are only concerned with the quality of the images, you may be perfectly satisfied with the D600, once you learnt to handle its limitations.

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Man, you need a d4. As for me, I'm done w/ the monster cameras. Much prefer the smaller ones now.
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Bob from Plymouth wrote:

Please don't take this the wrong way but with a negative attitude you'll be looking for flaws in any camera you own. Learn how to use it, they all have some limitations. Try looking at what you DO like about your camera and get out there and do some photography.

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Re: If I hate D7100, will I hate D600?
In reply to lordbeau, Apr 13, 2013

D7100 is much more camera than D600. D600 feels as D90 exactly. D7100 interface and focus miles better. When compare side-by-side I prefer D7100.

Image quality wise they both leap ahead of D300, but don't wait for miracles, the D600 while 1 stop better still nothing compared to D4 at hi ISO. So both usable indoors at ISO 3200. (Noise and details still affordable at 12600, but colors lost at 6400)

You definitely need sandisk 95 mb/s card for any of these new speeders because 1 or 2 s burst not matters so much, but buffer cleaning at 1,5-2  fps will save your shots.

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D7100 is much more camera than D600. D600 feels as D90 exactly. D7100 interface and focus miles better. When compare side-by-side I prefer D7100.

Image quality wise they both leap ahead of D300, but don't wait for miracles, the D600 while 1 stop better still nothing compared to D4 at hi ISO. So both usable indoors at ISO 3200. (Noise and details still affordable at 12600, but colors lost at 6400)

You definitely need sandisk 95 mb/s card for any of these new speeders because 1 or 2 s burst not matters so much, but buffer cleaning at 1,5-2  fps will save your shots.

I have both the D90 and D600 and they do not feel anything alike. The D600 is substantially better made than the D90, which, while a nice camera, feels like a toy compared to the D600.  I agree that the D7100 has a better focusing system. The D7100's user interface is slightly different, but I wouldn't call it miles better than the D600. How can you compare the D600, an enthusiasts camera, to the pro D4?

OP: some of the other posters have suggested that you need to use the D7100 for a little longer. If you still don't like it, I don't think you'll like the D600 any more. They are so simialiar , as far as UI  goes. The full frame sensor is a definite advantage over DX. Its 39 point focusing module is inferior to the D7100, although I am  able to use the D600 for sports, such as football. Noise on the D600 is well controlled at the higher ISO's. How much better, or even better than the D7100? I don't know.

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Re: If I hate D7100, will I hate D600?
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I have both the D90 and D600 and they do not feel anything alike. The D600 is substantially better made than the D90, which, while a nice camera, feels like a toy compared to the D600.  I agree that the D7100 has a better focusing system. The D7100's user interface is slightly different, but I wouldn't call it miles better than the D600. How can you compare the D600, an enthusiasts camera, to the pro D4?

My opinion was that after D300 and D800 usage I remember D90 when take D600 first time.

OP: some of the other posters have suggested that you need to use the D7100 for a little longer. If you still don't like it, I don't think you'll like the D600 any more. They are so simialiar , as far as UI  goes. The full frame sensor is a definite advantage over DX. Its 39 point focusing module is inferior to the D7100, although I am  able to use the D600 for sports, such as football. Noise on the D600 is well controlled at the higher ISO's. How much better, or even better than the D7100? I don't know.

My statements based on my own experience. I tried all new cameras while working indoors and found only D4 leaps ahead of. My claims about D600-D800 and obviuosly D7100 that they lose any meaningful color information at ISO > 3200 while D4 RAW can restore colors upto 12800. So even white balance adjustments gets hard working. Still fullframes have 1 full step of ISO advantage and remarcable viewfinder.

I post here because I do like D7100 and don't like D600.

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Re: If I hate D7100, will I hate D600?
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Do you ow n or ha e tried extensively the D600. Your post seems written out of ignorance.p

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I post here because I do like D7100 and don't like D600.

I am failing to understand why you feel that way. Since you've own both the D300 and D800, it would seem more logical not to like both the D600, and D7100. Except for sensor size, and some tweaks, these cameras are very much alike. They are both targeted at the same audience, just as the 300 and 800 are (It is generally considered that the 300 and 800 are "prosumer cameras", while the 600 and 7100 are enthusiast's cameras). Is there something about the 600, that you don't like, but that you are not telling us about? What you are saying up to now makes no sense.

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At a price point similar to D600, the D700 may be ideal for you:

  • Similar body as D300s which you like
  • Better high ISO performance which you crave

A used D3 will give you more FPS. And a used D3s will give you even better high ISO performance as a bonus. But they may be beyond your price point.

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The lack of an adequate buffer for shooting fast moving subjects is one weak area on the d7100.  Five or six clicks and the camera stops working.  My other camera will remain my main camera for shooting this type of action because it is really nice to have when shooting any kind of sport or bif type photography.

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Hate does seem a bit strong!  I feel the D600 needs someone to stand up for it.......the D600 is an enormously capable camera with very few able to match or beat it.  That is borne out repeatedly by expert tests.  My impression as to how it feels in the hand is.......just fine.  The camera may only have a half mag alloy chassis but the construction is solid, weighty, weather sealed and beautifully put together.  It is a very special piece of engineering, I think you would be very wise to have it near the top of your short list.  Good luck.

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Bob from Plymouth wrote:

Please don't take this the wrong way but with a negative attitude you'll be looking for flaws in any camera you own. Learn how to use it, they all have some limitations. Try looking at what you DO like about your camera and get out there and do some photography.

Speaking for myself only, I feel that if the thing doesn't feel right in your hand it is hard to get over it. Once you're spoiled using D300/700 class cameras, it is hard to step down. I agree that all cameras have limitations and quirks, and you need to find the sweet spot to get the most out of any of them, but when something doesn't feel right it is hard to get over it based on rational reasoning alone. Not writing this in reference to D7100 which I've never touched or seen in real life, but rather thinking of my D7000.

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mgblack74 wrote:

Ask another way:

If I own an older Audi S4, and hate the newer Golf GTI, will I hate the new A6 wagon/avant?

None of the cameras you mention are equal. It's about what you need. The D800 body is closest to the D300s body as ergonomics and 'feeling' go. The D600 feels like a slightly beefed up D7100. None are FPS or buffer kings, but they're pumping out more data per frame than the D300s.

The D7100 & D600 is better than the D300s in every lighting condition and category. It has better IQ all around. For me, thankfully, the deal breaker was lack of an AF-ON button. If you're used to using that and using the AE-L button it may be a tough switch.

If you're happy with the resolution of the D300s and the ergonomics and the FPS, look at a D700. With AA batteries or D3 batteries in the grip, it can do 8 fps.
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Never mentioned about the D600:  The front buttons are programmable to AF-ON.

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It is very marginally better. The D600 focus is as good as the D700, IQ is better than the D800 except for resolution. I have shot with all the cameras you mentioned, and for a general camera, the D600 can't be topped. Second highest MP dslr made, second highest high ISO IQ to the D3s, strong build, great sealing, more than adequate buffer, superb video. Incredible price.

There is a reason that the D600 got one of the highest DPR scores ever for a DSLR and  universally very high reviews.

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