Do I really "need" a Q :-)

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neil holmes
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In reply to SRT201, Apr 12, 2013

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Will that small appeal wear off when the sacrifice in IQ becomes more apparent?

For people who DO just treat it as a point and shoot, in a lot of cases, probably.

I gather the output looks decent in good light but gets into P&S territory when indoors.

It is a LOT better at low light than most give it credit for.....and especially if you put good fast lenses on it.

That's the issue then really.  If I am tempted by the "the lens is basically free" pricing and pick it up for "when I need a really small camera" which I can't say is often, then it may be a waste.  I usually go for the best IQ I can get so I imagine myself getting disenchanted comparing it to the K-5 or K-01.

I suppose for unique long tele work or extreme macro with an adapter it would indeed be cool but again the sacrifice in IQ might eventually cause my enthusiasm wear off.

The Q can have postive advantages for telephoto.

While it is just plain fun to stick just about any lens on it for telephoto shots, most lenses give you something that you can do better for not THAT much money with larger sensors.

The area it shines in, in my opinion, is in providing angle of view of longer lenses at apertures that are simply not made.

As an example, a 85mm 1.4 (or my 85 1.2) will give aprox 480mm angle of view.   If the Q was 2 stops behind current apsc dslrs for low light, at 480mm 1.4 you would have 4 stops shutter speed over most lenses that could get that reach.   ISO 1600 on the Q is very useable (and higher can be ok too).....so if you are at iso 1600, 1/100, 85mm and 1.4 on the Q....what are you going to be using on other camera/lens combinations?

It would be interesting to see what people would use instead.

Even $10,000 super teles are not near 1.2 in terms of shutter speeds.    It will not be the absolute IQ of larger sensor cameras and much more expensive lenses but it is not bad...and also those lenses on the Q will focus to their minimum focus distance (much shorter than the same angle of view on larger).

Then of course you can put those $10,000 super teles on the Q if you want!

Lenses that i think the Q would be great with include

Canon Fd 85 1.2L

any fast 50 1.2 or 1.4 (to a lesser extent)...would love to try a FD 50 1.2L

Nikon 105 f2 DC and 135 f2 DC

Canon FD 200 1.8 or Nikon 200 f2 AIS

Some of the longer leica aspherical lenses.

If you have some of those, a Q for its current price would be a no barainer to me.

I don't do street photography so the unobtrusive angle isn't really important to me.

I don't know that I want to invest in a whole little system and the fast prime is all but impossible to find now.

It looks really cool but I don't want to waste money - even BestBuy money.  My kids would love it to be sure.  

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Re: Do I really "need" a Q :-)
In reply to SRT201, Apr 12, 2013

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- I don't want to start collecting lenses for another mount

I concur.

- Supertele results with the Q are not better than adding a TC, or even two, to my K-01 and DA*300. I bought a Carry Speed VF-3 yesterday to improve usability of the K-01.

WISH I had that lens.  Nice!

I have that VF-3 on my list.

- I don't need more choices of which camera to bring, which lenses to pack, second guess, change my mind at the last minute, forget something I need.

Totally agree.  Gear paralysis is problem that grows with your collection.

- Size is the only real advantage of the Q, the K-01 beats it in every other way. Best use what I already have. I have a fanny pack that will fit the K-01 with DA 40 mounted. I have a small shoulder bag that will carry a K-01 with lens mounted and a small prime. I will look for a small belt case today that will carry the K-01 with FA 35, because that's my main lens. Then I won't have any reason not to pack a camera, and no further reason to buy a small sensored camera.

I love my K-01 as well and with the DA 40 it is very compact.

But damn, that Q with 8.5mm is cool.

No two ways about it but the 8.5 is pretty much ruled out unless I want to pay $800 for the two lens kit!

Check the Pentax Compact Forum, Ron just posted info that KEH had a couple Q kits with prime lens for around $260 and you could always use the BB card for an 06 lens or something.

You really can't think of the Q as a K-01 or something, they are very different.  Even vs other enthusiast point and shoots it is different.  Hard to explain

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viking79 wrote:

SRT201 wrote:

audiobomber wrote:

- I don't want to start collecting lenses for another mount

I concur.

- Supertele results with the Q are not better than adding a TC, or even two, to my K-01 and DA*300. I bought a Carry Speed VF-3 yesterday to improve usability of the K-01.

WISH I had that lens.  Nice!

I have that VF-3 on my list.

- I don't need more choices of which camera to bring, which lenses to pack, second guess, change my mind at the last minute, forget something I need.

Totally agree.  Gear paralysis is problem that grows with your collection.

- Size is the only real advantage of the Q, the K-01 beats it in every other way. Best use what I already have. I have a fanny pack that will fit the K-01 with DA 40 mounted. I have a small shoulder bag that will carry a K-01 with lens mounted and a small prime. I will look for a small belt case today that will carry the K-01 with FA 35, because that's my main lens. Then I won't have any reason not to pack a camera, and no further reason to buy a small sensored camera.

I love my K-01 as well and with the DA 40 it is very compact.

But damn, that Q with 8.5mm is cool.

No two ways about it but the 8.5 is pretty much ruled out unless I want to pay $800 for the two lens kit!

Check the Pentax Compact Forum, Ron just posted info that KEH had a couple Q kits with prime lens for around $260 and you could always use the BB card for an 06 lens or something.

You really can't think of the Q as a K-01 or something, they are very different.  Even vs other enthusiast point and shoots it is different.  Hard to explain

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Oh, and as for size, not sure if this helps.  It is hard to describe how small the Q is.  The K-01 with 40mm XS is going to be significantly larger than a Q with 01 prime.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#285,190.356,ha,f

http://camerasize.com/compact/#285,190.356,ha,t

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In reply to SRT201, Apr 14, 2013

I would like to see ANYTHING else do this...

480mm angle of view hand held...and can be at 1.2

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I didn't want one...

...so I bought two.

I didn't want two...

...so I bought another one (black with the 01 prime lens) from KEH.com.

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Check the Pentax Compact Forum, Ron just posted info that KEH had a couple Q kits with prime lens for around $260 and you could always use the BB card for an 06 lens or something.

What's a BB card?

You really can't think of the Q as a K-01 or something, they are very different.  Even vs other enthusiast point and shoots it is different.  Hard to explain

I just bought a black Q with 01 prime at KEH, and I'm blaming you.

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viking79 wrote:

Check the Pentax Compact Forum, Ron just posted info that KEH had a couple Q kits with prime lens for around $260 and you could always use the BB card for an 06 lens or something.

What's a BB card?

Hi Dan,

I believe that somewhere in another post someone referred to the fact that they have a Best Buy Gift Card.

You really can't think of the Q as a K-01 or something, they are very different.  Even vs other enthusiast point and shoots it is different.  Hard to explain

I just bought a black Q with 01 prime at KEH, and I'm blaming you.

I bought a black Q + 01 lens from KEH also.

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Don't buy a Q if you favour good battery life

I forgot to mention this earlier.

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audiobomber wrote:

viking79 wrote:

Check the Pentax Compact Forum, Ron just posted info that KEH had a couple Q kits with prime lens for around $260 and you could always use the BB card for an 06 lens or something.

What's a BB card?

You really can't think of the Q as a K-01 or something, they are very different.  Even vs other enthusiast point and shoots it is different.  Hard to explain

I just bought a black Q with 01 prime at KEH, and I'm blaming you.

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Dan, the Q with the #01 prime is a very good combination.  Make sure that you get the latest firmware - it adds IS to manual focus lenses and also provides focus peaking.  It cannot be a K-01 of course but it is surprisingly good and takes reasonable images.  My "fun" lens is a 38mm f1.9 prime in D mount.  It does not vignette and is actually about 212 mm f1.9 on the Q.  I get plenty of self-chuckles about just how powerful a combination this is in such a little package.

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Tom Caldwell wrote:

Dan, the Q with the #01 prime is a very good combination.  Make sure that you get the latest firmware - it adds IS to manual focus lenses and also provides focus peaking.  It cannot be a K-01 of course but it is surprisingly good and takes reasonable images.  My "fun" lens is a 38mm f1.9 prime in D mount.  It does not vignette and is actually about 212 mm f1.9 on the Q.  I get plenty of self-chuckles about just how powerful a combination this is in such a little package.

Thanks for the encouragement Tom. The idea was to try and live with just the 01 prime as long as I can before I add anything, but the K-adapter is an obvious temptation, and the fisheye is already pulling me.

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Ron,

HOW ON EARTH do you decide what to take along when you go out to shoot?  I am imagining you standing before your collection for at least 3 hours before heading out.  

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audiobomber wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

Dan, the Q with the #01 prime is a very good combination.  Make sure that you get the latest firmware - it adds IS to manual focus lenses and also provides focus peaking.  It cannot be a K-01 of course but it is surprisingly good and takes reasonable images.  My "fun" lens is a 38mm f1.9 prime in D mount.  It does not vignette and is actually about 212 mm f1.9 on the Q.  I get plenty of self-chuckles about just how powerful a combination this is in such a little package.

Thanks for the encouragement Tom. The idea was to try and live with just the 01 prime as long as I can before I add anything, but the K-adapter is an obvious temptation, and the fisheye is already pulling me.

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I think you will really like the #01 lens, it is good.  The toys I am afraid are just expensive toys. There is a whole lot of ins and outs with after market lenses and adapters.  I have had some trouble with infinity focus adjustment, - especially C and D mounts, but a K adapter will probably be fine.  The crop factor has to factor in.  My take is that you can get away with the telephoto effect with a small format lens better.  Some ex-movie lenses are pretty fast for their type.  Ergo my 38mm 1.9 in D mount, effectively a super-fast 212mm, had to adjust infinity focus, don't know whether it is the adapter (don't think so) or the lens was just mis-aligned - new old stock in a box.  Beautiful lens, now corrected, works well.

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