Panasonic GX1 or E-PL2?

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BobT
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Panasonic GX1 or E-PL2?
Apr 9, 2013

I currently have the E-PL2 and a pair of kit lenses.  But being that I spend (way too much) time checking out Craigslist, I noticed a Panasoninc GX1 body (Like New) for $250.  So tell me, is the GX1 enough of a step-up over the E-PL2 that I should consiider it?  Or  would you recommend I leave well enough alone and stick with my Oly PEN camera?  Both my Oly 14-42 II and 40-150mm lenses WILL work on the GX1, will they not?  But I'd lose my image stabilization with the GX1.  Correct?

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In reply to BobT, Apr 9, 2013

Never buy anything simply because it is better.

If you have a specific issue with your PL2, see if a GX1 will solve it.

Improvements are; better high iso, 16 instead of 12 MP (so possibly a little more sharpness and detail with big prints).

Negatives are; loss if IS (but it is not that good anyway), loss of oly jpg colours (could be big if you shoot jpg).

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I'm aware of those things that you mentioned; as I have researched the GX1.  Thing is, what appear as up-grades are not always as they seem to be.  That's why I like to get real users into the picture.  The better higher ISO capability of the Panny might be important, but the loss of color quality might be even more of a major loss to me.  Thanks for your response.

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I may be kidding myself, but my GX1 seems to have better colors than my recent GH2; I know my GH3 does. Your main loss would be IS for the 14-150 lens, especially on the long end. Depending on your usage, the higher ISO comparison may not matter. Personally I prefer Panasonic (after owning GH1, GF1, GH2, GH3, E-PL1 and E-PL3); reasons are menu system and AF performance. But I must confess that if I'd mastered the Oly menu system better I might have been able to get better AF performance.

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I went from the E-pl2 to the GF5 and I am very happy even though it is still a 12mp sensor.  I primarily did it to get the 14-42x lens to reduce size.  Also I like having the AF assist lamp.

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So I'm not hearing that I should rush out and grab that GX1 "because it's so much better than the E-PL2, and that you'd be a fool not to get it"?

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The gx1 is on sale in amazon for 275$, new.

250$ for a used one is a pretty bad deal tjese days...

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In reply to BobT, Apr 9, 2013

BobT wrote:

I currently have the E-PL2 and a pair of kit lenses.  But being that I spend (way too much) time checking out Craigslist, I noticed a Panasoninc GX1 body (Like New) for $250.  So tell me, is the GX1 enough of a step-up over the E-PL2 that I should consiider it?  Or  would you recommend I leave well enough alone and stick with my Oly PEN camera?  Both my Oly 14-42 II and 40-150mm lenses WILL work on the GX1, will they not?  But I'd lose my image stabilization with the GX1.  Correct?

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buying camera bodies.

This is by my count your fourth u 4/3 camera in two years, and you have yet to post a photo thread taken with any of them, or even a single photo taken with a  u 4/3 camera.

Most of us agree that it is better to invest in lenses rather than bodies, and even better to invest in your skills rather than lenses.

Also, if we can't see examples of the types of photo's you take then it is very difficult to make any recomendations about what camera you should have, unless you are merely a collector.

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In reply to BobT, Apr 9, 2013

GX1 benefits

1. Much newer upgraded sensor (16Mpx v. 12), marginally better ISO performance.
2. More buttons/controls, more direct/faster handling than going through menus.
3. Larger grip, but whether it is more ergonomical is personal preference.
4. Marginally faster AF (due to faster sensor refresh times)
5. Usable video mode (not perfect, but perfectly usable).

GX1 disadvatnages

1. Size
2. No IBIS (you have to rely on Panasonic OIS lenses)
3. No in-built EVF (the external EVF is overpriced)
4. Dumbed down flash (low GN), no wireless TTL support
5. JPEG engine is different (again, personal preference)

Again, if budget is a concern, then by all means both the GX1/G3 have dropped to fairly affordable prices. Despite the sensor being a generation older than the latest EM-5 or GH3, the performance is still pretty good.

The main problem I think with switching between Panasonic and Olympus is the IBIS v. OIS issue (which typically mean your lenses will be bigger and more expensive).

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BobT wrote:

So I'm not hearing that I should rush out and grab that GX1 "because it's so much better than the E-PL2, and that you'd be a fool not to get it"?

I'm not hearing anything about the E-PL2 limiting your objectives and skill set.

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In reply to BobT, Apr 10, 2013

We have two systems with two different kind of lenses. One system has OIS in most lenses, others not. So the way from Panasonic to Oly means you are giving up nothing while vice versa you do give up on a very important thing, especially when it comes to the longer end of the zoom range...

So even if technically the GX1 body is (may be much) better, I would not jump ship if I were you. And I do own a GH2 and an EPL5. So no fanboyism here.

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Wait until the end of April.

Panasonic Lumix is going to launch the G6.

Then you decide better. But both EPL2 and GX1 are good cameras.


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In reply to Bob Tullis, Apr 10, 2013

Bob Tullis wrote:

BobT wrote:

So I'm not hearing that I should rush out and grab that GX1 "because it's so much better than the E-PL2, and that you'd be a fool not to get it"?

I'm not hearing anything about the E-PL2 limiting your objectives and skill set.

That is not what Bob-T is asking us.  What Bob-T want to know is:

  • - Should He jump on a used $250 GX1 deal or not
  • - Its not about Photography or learning photography
  • - Its about Seizing a Deal before its gone
Bob-T, I would jump on the deal if I were you before its gone: Other factor I really like
  • You can sell your E-PL2 for $300 on Craigslist
  • Buy a used GX1 for $250
  • Not only do you get a (1) FREE UPGRADE, you also pocket (2) $50
- Panasonic GX1 focus 3-4x faster than E-PL2 - Panasonic GX1 has stable video, doesn't suffer from Olympus bad rolling shutter - Panasonic GX1 has the Best Grip of all evf-less M43 - Panasonic GX1 16mp sensor is vastly superior to the older 12mp panny sensor used by Olympus e-PL2 - the list goes on and on..... And you get all these UPGRADES for FREE.  What are you waiting for?
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tedolf wrote:

BobT wrote:

I currently have the E-PL2 and a pair of kit lenses.  But being that I spend (way too much) time checking out Craigslist, I noticed a Panasoninc GX1 body (Like New) for $250.  So tell me, is the GX1 enough of a step-up over the E-PL2 that I should consiider it?  Or  would you recommend I leave well enough alone and stick with my Oly PEN camera?  Both my Oly 14-42 II and 40-150mm lenses WILL work on the GX1, will they not?  But I'd lose my image stabilization with the GX1.  Correct?

Thanks

buying camera bodies.

This is by my count your fourth u 4/3 camera in two years, and you have yet to post a photo thread taken with any of them, or even a single photo taken with a  u 4/3 camera.

Most of us agree that it is better to invest in lenses rather than bodies, and even better to invest in your skills rather than lenses.

Also, if we can't see examples of the types of photo's you take then it is very difficult to make any recomendations about what camera you should have, unless you are merely a collector.

Tedolph

Couldn't agree more. Bob has been more interested, for a long while now, in what to buy more than how to use what he has, kind-of more like a coin collection to fondle and admire than something to actually use. This is just the latest in a long history.

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007peter wrote:

Bob Tullis wrote:

BobT wrote:

So I'm not hearing that I should rush out and grab that GX1 "because it's so much better than the E-PL2, and that you'd be a fool not to get it"?

I'm not hearing anything about the E-PL2 limiting your objectives and skill set.

That is not what Bob-T is asking us.  What Bob-T want to know is:

  • - Should He jump on a used $250 GX1 deal or not
  • - Its not about Photography or learning photography
  • - Its about Seizing a Deal before its gone
Bob-T, I would jump on the deal if I were you before its gone: Other factor I really like
  • You can sell your E-PL2 for $300 on Craigslist
  • Buy a used GX1 for $250
  • Not only do you get a (1) FREE UPGRADE, you also pocket (2) $50
- Panasonic GX1 focus 3-4x faster than E-PL2 - Panasonic GX1 has stable video, doesn't suffer from Olympus bad rolling shutter - Panasonic GX1 has the Best Grip of all evf-less M43 - Panasonic GX1 16mp sensor is vastly superior to the older 12mp panny sensor used by Olympus e-PL2 - the list goes on and on..... And you get all these UPGRADES for FREE.  What are you waiting for?

I appreciate the attempted correction, but what we see on the surface here obscures what BobT has been on about for quite some time.   Unless having been engaged with this before,  one would think the direct answer to be the most helpful.

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I find it utterly funny to stumble upon such an aggressive criticism here, in a DPreview forum where people mostly talk about photo gear upgrade!!!

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Marathonianbull wrote:

I find it utterly funny to stumble upon such an aggressive criticism here, in a DPreview forum where people mostly talk about photo gear upgrade!!!

You just have to know, or take a look at the OP's posting history to appreciate the response.

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BobT wrote:

I currently have the E-PL2 and a pair of kit lenses.  But being that I spend (way too much) time checking out Craigslist, I noticed a Panasoninc GX1 body (Like New) for $250.  So tell me, is the GX1 enough of a step-up over the E-PL2 that I should consiider it?  Or  would you recommend I leave well enough alone and stick with my Oly PEN camera?  Both my Oly 14-42 II and 40-150mm lenses WILL work on the GX1, will they not?  But I'd lose my image stabilization with the GX1.  Correct?

Thanks

Losing stabilisation by using Oly lenses on a Pany body is an important issue if you want to shoot in anything other than bright daylight. The 40-150mm particularly will suffer badly, even if it gets overcast and shutter speeds need to drop.

So if changing bodies then you need also to change lenses to the Panasonic equivalent of 14-42mm or better 14-45mm plus say the 45-150mm and all those lenses have OIS so it all works properly with Panasonic bodies.

The only sensible update from E-PL2  to retain the use of your Olympus lenses is to get the E-PL5. Or just keep using the E-PL2 if it is delivering results that you like.

Buying a new camera does not make you a better photographer, all it does is briefly increase  your interest in photography.

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In reply to Guy Parsons, Apr 10, 2013

Good answers, Guy.  I truly appreciated your response.  Thanks.

I'm sticking with the E-PL2.  I haven't used it enough to realize any shortcomings as yet.  When (and if I do) then I might get serious about an upgrade for a REAL reason.

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Marathonianbull wrote:

I find it utterly funny to stumble upon such an aggressive criticism here, in a DPreview forum where people mostly talk about photo gear upgrade!!!

If you an upgrading just to look as it what is the point?

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