How many D800e RAW files will fit on a 1TB external hard drive?

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How many D800e RAW files will fit on a 1TB external hard drive?
Apr 8, 2013

i'm just thinking about storage.

i'm an artist that works in photo and video.

my Mac has Thunderbolt.

i'm looking for a Thunderbolt enabled external HD,

but i'm not sure how much storage i need,

or do i need a raid?

i already own a 1TB G-Tech external HD,

and a 500MB G-Tech portable HD.

i don't keep my photos or videos on my computer.

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Hey, do the math! Probably more than you can shoot in the next couple of years - or more.

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Typical raw file size is about 31 meg raw if in 14 bit lossless compressed . I will let you do the math.

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AofA wrote:

i'm just thinking about storage.

i'm an artist that works in photo and video.

my Mac has Thunderbolt.

i'm looking for a Thunderbolt enabled external HD,

but i'm not sure how much storage i need,

or do i need a raid?

i already own a 1TB G-Tech external HD,

and a 500MB G-Tech portable HD.

i don't keep my photos or videos on my computer.

Depends on the size of the files and how much you edit images and create duplicates of edited files.  But the short answer is "a lot"

What you should do is always have an exact duplicate of all your files on another hard drive.

I buy two of the same drive then use one to duplicate my files.  back up is critical.

your hard drives WILL fail eventually.

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Steve Bingham wrote:

Hey, do the math! Probably more than you can shoot in the next couple of years - or more.

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why did you bother responding.

i can't do the math. i'm new to digital imaging.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED!

i'm trying to learn.

36MP and 1080HD files are large.

that i know.

i'm trying to figure this out.

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AofA wrote:

Steve Bingham wrote:

Hey, do the math! Probably more than you can shoot in the next couple of years - or more.

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why did you bother responding.

i can't do the math. i'm new to digital imaging.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED!

i'm trying to learn.

36MP and 1080HD files are large.

that i know.

i'm trying to figure this out.

1TB hard drive gives you 1/1.024^4=0.909 TB of usable space.

If the average size of a 14-bit lossless RAW file is 31MB then a single 1TB hard drive can store about

0.909*1024^2/31=30763

photos.

You do not necessarily need a RAID configuration, but you DO need a means of backup.

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Daniel Clune wrote:

Typical raw file size is about 31 meg raw if in 14 bit lossless compressed . I will let you do the math.

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Where are you guys getting 31 MB average sized for a D800 lossless compressed file?  I've been shooting the D800 for just over a year now and the average size is 39-45 MB.

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AofA wrote:

i'm just thinking about storage.

i'm an artist that works in photo and video.

my Mac has Thunderbolt.

i'm looking for a Thunderbolt enabled external HD,

but i'm not sure how much storage i need,

or do i need a raid?

i already own a 1TB G-Tech external HD,

and a 500MB G-Tech portable HD.

i don't keep my photos or videos on my computer.

My D800 (not E) raw files average around 40 MB each. According to a Google query, there are 1,048,576 MB in a Terabyte. So 1,048,576 / 40 = about 26,000 files.

That sounds low to me. Anyone care to correct my math?

RAID storage provides redundancy, so that a single failed drive doesn't necessarily cause data to be lost. It's designed for reliability and maximum uptime. But it's not the same as backup. Independent backup is most important.

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Same here - just glancing at some recent files, they are pretty much all in the 39-45mb range.  Shooting 14-bit lossless compressed.

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Same here - just glancing at some recent files, they are pretty much all in the 39-45mb range.  Shooting 14-bit lossless compressed.

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AofA wrote:

i'm just thinking about storage.

i'm an artist that works in photo and video.

my Mac has Thunderbolt.

i'm looking for a Thunderbolt enabled external HD,

but i'm not sure how much storage i need,

or do i need a raid?

i already own a 1TB G-Tech external HD,

and a 500MB G-Tech portable HD.

i don't keep my photos or videos on my computer.

My rule of thumb is 40mb average file size.

So 1000/40 = 250 per GB. And x1000= 25,000 per TByte

As many images are keepers but not needing further Raw processing I batch process those from raw to high quality jpegs  saving a lot of space.

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The commercials use 1.000 or 1.024 conversion at their convenience, 1.000 on the HHD boxes, but 1.024 on their windows propierties.

My three old 1 TB ext HDDs have 1.000.210.464.768 bytes, that's 931,52 GB or 953.875,03 MB ...

The NEF is not the same according to its compression, 12 or 14 bits or if you shoot at a marina,   meadows, trees or snow.

If your have 40 MB NEF's average, you will store 23.846 shots.

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j_photo wrote:

AofA wrote:

i'm just thinking about storage.

i'm an artist that works in photo and video.

my Mac has Thunderbolt.

i'm looking for a Thunderbolt enabled external HD,

but i'm not sure how much storage i need,

or do i need a raid?

i already own a 1TB G-Tech external HD,

and a 500MB G-Tech portable HD.

i don't keep my photos or videos on my computer.

My D800 (not E) raw files average around 40 MB each. According to a Google query, there are 1,048,576 MB in a Terabyte. So 1,048,576 / 40 = about 26,000 files.

That sounds low to me. Anyone care to correct my math?

RAID storage provides redundancy, so that a single failed drive doesn't necessarily cause data to be lost. It's designed for reliability and maximum uptime. But it's not the same as backup. Independent backup is most important.

Hard disk space is measured in powers of 10, not powers of 2. So 1TB = 1 000 000 MB.

In my experience a D800E camera RAW in 14 bit lossless compressed can be any size from about 30MB to over 50MB. If you are shooting, for example, blown-out white backgrounds in a studio, then the files will be smaller (blown-out white compresses well); intricately detailed images will be larger (they don't compress as well).

At 40MB average, you'll get 25000 files on 1TB; at 50MB average, you'll get 20000 files on 1TB.

One thing you should do is buy TWO or THREE disks - make sure you have backups.

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j_photo wrote:

My D800 (not E) raw files average around 40 MB each. According to a Google query, there are 1,048,576 MB in a Terabyte. So 1,048,576 / 40 = about 26,000 files.

That sounds low to me. Anyone care to correct my math?

Depends on how you look at it:

At an average price of US 75 dollars for a 1TB HDD the cost of photo storage is:

75/26000 = 0,0029 cents per stored photo or 0,0058 if you have a backup system available (highly recommended indeed).

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Ok, so you have the basic information from other replies but you also said you might be storing and editing HD video footage.  That is a whole other beast.  Remember a Blu-Ray holds up to 50GB and that is only for 1 feature movie plus a few soundtracks and some behind the scenes features.  HD video eats up hard dive space very quickly, and will require not only large but fast hard drives for responsiveness during editing.   If you plan on archiving all of your RAW files and raw video along with finished projects you will need all the storage space you can reasonably afford.  I have only had my D600 since November and already have over 500GB of still images and 100 GB of video, and I don't shoot that much video plus the D600 image files are much smaller.  My next purchase will be a NAS device similar to this one;

http://www.microcenter.com/product/406338/My_Book_Live_Duo_8TB_Personal_Cloud_Storage

If figure this will buy me about 2 years of storage when I set it up as a mirrored array instead of striped for redundancy.  At the rate storage capacity is increasing it should be reasonable to upgrade again by the time I fill this  or give me time to go through the RAW files i did not find pleasing and archive to a lower quality format such as high quality JPEG.

Nice thing about these setups is you can access them over the web so if you take a laptop to a client meeting or are ate friends house you can access your personal server without lugging all your files with you.

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Also remember that if you edit the file in phot is hop, or similar, then save the tif or psd the rifle could well be 100mb+. I have a few that are 200mb by the time you have a few layers.

and then there are the multiple versions, ...

it goes on and on

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i agree. based on 935 edited .NEF files i cataloged in march, the average size per image was 46387381.43208556.

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j_photo wrote:

AofA wrote:

i'm just thinking about storage.

i'm an artist that works in photo and video.

my Mac has Thunderbolt.

i'm looking for a Thunderbolt enabled external HD,

but i'm not sure how much storage i need,

or do i need a raid?

i already own a 1TB G-Tech external HD,

and a 500MB G-Tech portable HD.

i don't keep my photos or videos on my computer.

My D800 (not E) raw files average around 40 MB each. According to a Google query, there are 1,048,576 MB in a Terabyte. So 1,048,576 / 40 = about 26,000 files.

That sounds low to me. Anyone care to correct my math?

RAID storage provides redundancy, so that a single failed drive doesn't necessarily cause data to be lost. It's designed for reliability and maximum uptime. But it's not the same as backup. Independent backup is most important.

so approx. 26,000 RAW image files can be stored on 1TB HD.

what about 1080HD video files on a 1TB HD?

thnx for your clear answer.

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Alejandro Daz del Ro Fery wrote:

The commercials use 1.000 or 1.024 conversion at their convenience, 1.000 on the HHD boxes, but 1.024 on their windows propierties.

My three old 1 TB ext HDDs have 1.000.210.464.768 bytes, that's 931,52 GB or 953.875,03 MB ...

The NEF is not the same according to its compression, 12 or 14 bits or if you shoot at a marina,   meadows, trees or snow.

If your have 40 MB NEF's average, you will store 23.846 shots.

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and how much HD1080 video will fit on 1TB external HD please?

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AofA wrote:

my Mac has Thunderbolt.

i'm looking for a Thunderbolt enabled external HD,

or do i need a raid?

i already own a 1TB G-Tech external HD,

and a 500MB G-Tech portable HD.

i don't keep my photos or videos on my computer.

You noted that you don't keep your photos on your computer.  I understand that to mean that you don't store your photos on the INTERNAL drive on your computer but only on the two externals that you mentioned.  Is that correct?

I believe that the 1TB G-Tech device is only available in USB 3, with only the larger G-Tech devices being available as Thunderbolt.

First question is whether you have one of the new Macs with USB 3 ports or if they are only USB 2.  If they are USB 3, you can already reach the maximum transfer rate to your HDD without using Thunderbolt.  I think G-Tech uses a 7200 rpm Hitachi, which is not fast enough to make maximum use of the Thunderbolt connection or the USB 3 either.  If this is your situation you can save some money and use USB 3 without losing transfer speed.  You would need a very high end HDD or an SSD to avoid the slowdown at the disk.

If you have USB 2 ports and Thunderbolt ports on your computer you can gain some transfer speed by upgrading to one of the 4TB or 8TB g-Tech Thunderbolt Raids.  Google RAID levels and you will find some valuable information, as there are several possibilities.

A RAID can be configured to give increased speed, increased capacity, or increased reliability, BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD BACKUP SOLUTION.

And I'm guessing a backup solution is really what you are interested in creating.  That means a copy of your data located remotely.

Apologies if I wandered off without actually addressing your question, but I hope that helps at least a bit.

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