Extrapolating Nikon 1.5yr old resolution and 4.4yr old fps & buffer..

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Devendra
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Extrapolating Nikon 1.5yr old resolution and 4.4yr old fps & buffer..
Apr 5, 2013

V1 had 10mp in 13.2mmx8.8mm sensor with decent image quality (recently replaced by V2)

D3x has 24mp @5fps w/20-29RAW buffer (based on bits n compression with varying times)

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D3X/D3XA6.HTM

D800/E - AF & DR

Now extrapolating the above technology advances..

TODAY: Nikon can easily bring out a fantastic 32-35mp DX (23.6 x 15.8mm sensor) sensor with minimal 5fps and a longer buffer using 4.4yr old technology.

Adding 1.3DX factor - we can have more reach and faster fps. Adding modern D800 AF will be prefect (ignoring the D800 QA issues)

I do understand the limitations of lenses and what not, but it all depends.

6-9months down: Show Us what you can offer

Regardless, instead of me wanting what will be ideal for me, I am more interested in what Nikon can offer in the DX range since they are more than capable of meeting my needs for a much longer time. They have a tendency of major improvement just like D100-D200-D300 to keep me busy.

Future:

Forget about V2 for now - that will give us 54mp in DX...

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altair8800
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In reply to Devendra, Apr 5, 2013

Devendra wrote:

V1 had 10mp in 13.2mmx8.8mm sensor with decent image quality (recently replaced by V2)

D3x has 24mp @5fps w/20-29RAW buffer (based on bits n compression with varying times)

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D3X/D3XA6.HTM

D800/E - AF & DR

Now extrapolating the above technology advances..

TODAY: Nikon can easily bring out a fantastic 32-35mp DX (23.6 x 15.8mm sensor) sensor with minimal 5fps and a longer buffer using 4.4yr old technology.

Adding 1.3DX factor - we can have more reach and faster fps. Adding modern D800 AF will be prefect (ignoring the D800 QA issues)

I do understand the limitations of lenses and what not, but it all depends.

6-9months down: Show Us what you can offer

Regardless, instead of me wanting what will be ideal for me, I am more interested in what Nikon can offer in the DX range since they are more than capable of meeting my needs for a much longer time. They have a tendency of major improvement just like D100-D200-D300 to keep me busy.

Future:

Forget about V2 for now - that will give us 54mp in DX...

Do not forget about V2. While the popular version of the D400 with D7100 sensor would be good, why not two versions of D400. The pro CX version with V2 sensor and very fast fps and huge buffer would be great for birders and not have the severe handicap of V2 with adapter for long lenses. A 54mp DX would also be interesting! That fantastic 32-35mp DX should run at least to 8 fps.

Dan

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krikman
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In reply to altair8800, Apr 12, 2013

Something tells me that heating inside plastic bodies (DXXX, DXXXX) without a heavy metal chassis is very high. But molded and milled metal is 50% of pro body, and rises with lesser production. So no superfast and dence electronics for USD 1000.

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In reply to Devendra, Apr 17, 2013

TODAY: Nikon can easily bring out a fantastic 32-35mp DX (23.6 x 15.8mm sensor) sensor with minimal 5fps and a longer buffer using 4.4yr old technology.

I hope Nikon will not do that. It is not worthing to create a 35mp DX camera. There are no lenses to take advantage of such big resolution. Only a few professional lenses can use D800's 36mp. Or think about diffraction for example. What do you think why V1 and V2 got so low rating on DxO tests.

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In reply to altair8800, Apr 19, 2013

altair8800 wrote:

Devendra wrote:

V1 had 10mp in 13.2mmx8.8mm sensor with decent image quality (recently replaced by V2)

D3x has 24mp @5fps w/20-29RAW buffer (based on bits n compression with varying times)

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D3X/D3XA6.HTM

D800/E - AF & DR

Now extrapolating the above technology advances..

TODAY: Nikon can easily bring out a fantastic 32-35mp DX (23.6 x 15.8mm sensor) sensor with minimal 5fps and a longer buffer using 4.4yr old technology.

Adding 1.3DX factor - we can have more reach and faster fps. Adding modern D800 AF will be prefect (ignoring the D800 QA issues)

I do understand the limitations of lenses and what not, but it all depends.

6-9months down: Show Us what you can offer

Regardless, instead of me wanting what will be ideal for me, I am more interested in what Nikon can offer in the DX range since they are more than capable of meeting my needs for a much longer time. They have a tendency of major improvement just like D100-D200-D300 to keep me busy.

Future:

Forget about V2 for now - that will give us 54mp in DX...

Do not forget about V2. While the popular version of the D400 with D7100 sensor would be good, why not two versions of D400. The pro CX version with V2 sensor and very fast fps and huge buffer would be great for birders and not have the severe handicap of V2 with adapter for long lenses. A 54mp DX would also be interesting! That fantastic 32-35mp DX should run at least to 8 fps.

Dan

Rather than "Pro" CX, why not "Pro" V-DX with new compact, fast lenses designed for mirrorless and an adapter for all existing Nikon lenses.  There is nothing, other than the viewfinder that a mirror in a dSLR provides which cannot ultimately be equaled or bettered by mirrorless technology and so much that a mirrored dSLR cannot hope to provide.

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Rather than "Pro" CX, why not "Pro" V-DX with new compact, fast lenses designed for mirrorless and an adapter for all existing Nikon lenses.  There is nothing, other than the viewfinder that a mirror in a dSLR provides which cannot ultimately be equaled or bettered by mirrorless technology and so much that a mirrored dSLR cannot hope to provide.
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First time reading this sentence I'm feel of deja vu.

Yes I heard and read this 30-40 years ago:

"There is nothing in gasoline car that cannot be equaled or bettered by ecologic non-toxic cheap electro-car. All technologies are on hand, and only evil petroleum company denied these innovations and hide them from progressive humanity."

Sorry for such a sarcasm. Buth why don't you just buy D800 and use it in DX live-view mode? All technologies is here.

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krikman wrote:

Rather than "Pro" CX, why not "Pro" V-DX with new compact, fast lenses designed for mirrorless and an adapter for all existing Nikon lenses.  There is nothing, other than the viewfinder that a mirror in a dSLR provides which cannot ultimately be equaled or bettered by mirrorless technology and so much that a mirrored dSLR cannot hope to provide.
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Warren

First time reading this sentence I'm feel of deja vu.

Yes I heard and read this 30-40 years ago:

"There is nothing in gasoline car that cannot be equaled or bettered by ecologic non-toxic cheap electro-car. All technologies are on hand, and only evil petroleum company denied these innovations and hide them from progressive humanity."

Sorry for such a sarcasm. Buth why don't you just buy D800 and use it in DX live-view mode? All technologies is here.

Why should I buy a 3/4 ton 454 cu. in. pickup truck with am-fm to haul my golf clubs around, instead of a turbo-charged 4-door HB with bluetooth, XM, GPS, 4-wheel drive, 6-spd auto trans, heated seats, and satellite radio??  (OK, bad analogy! Just an attempt at humor. :-))

Don't get me wrong.  The D800 is a great camera and records fantastic images.  But, it's currently the best "old school" dSLR technology.  Just as iPhones have changed computer and phone tech, new generations of mirrorless cameras will displace dSLRs FOR MANY (NOT ALL) camera users. Sensor design is at the point of diminishing returns, just as computer quad-core CPU's have reached the point of....who needs even this much??  Now, smaller & lighter bodies, more compact lenses, faster, silent operation,  higher fps, better video along with lower overall cost will provide more bang-for-the-buck and a greater, expanding market for camera mfrs.

I've referred to the Nikon V1 in other posts.  It's a camera many have flamed.  I've had at least 6 small compacts in addition to my Nikon & Pentax SLRs, Kowa and Yashica 2-1/4s. I purchased one just to see what it was about, not expecting much.  I intended to try one of the first Oly EM-5s but tired of waiting over two months because of the early demand and canceled.  I didn't care for the SONY NEX controls & menu setup.  So, on a whim I bought the V1 when it was on blowout last Christmas.  I was so surprised and impressed by what this little camera can do, especially it's focusing ability, AWB and exposure accuracy, that it's totally changed my focus as to future camera technology. (Pardon my pun.)  I then went out and bought the whole kit.  It may sound like an exaggeration, but for much of what i do, the V1 does the job as well or better than the D300 (which I still own and use....much less often!)

The vast majority of Nikon owners have never seen, touched, let alone used/played with a V1 or V2.  This 1" sensor camera isn't a replacement for any DX/FX dSLR for anyone who really needs the output of the large sensor, the superior ISO/DR, the AF tracking ability, viewfinder or professional equipment, including flash, that Nikon is famous for.  (However, it is a fantastic addition to ones kit!)  But if you do, you'll appreciate what Nikon has been working on and lust after what they could be getting ready to introduce!!  It could soon be a whole new ballgame.

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WD wrote:

altair8800 wrote:

Devendra wrote:

V1 had 10mp in 13.2mmx8.8mm sensor with decent image quality (recently replaced by V2)

D3x has 24mp @5fps w/20-29RAW buffer (based on bits n compression with varying times)

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D3X/D3XA6.HTM

D800/E - AF & DR

Now extrapolating the above technology advances..

TODAY: Nikon can easily bring out a fantastic 32-35mp DX (23.6 x 15.8mm sensor) sensor with minimal 5fps and a longer buffer using 4.4yr old technology.

Adding 1.3DX factor - we can have more reach and faster fps. Adding modern D800 AF will be prefect (ignoring the D800 QA issues)

I do understand the limitations of lenses and what not, but it all depends.

6-9months down: Show Us what you can offer

Regardless, instead of me wanting what will be ideal for me, I am more interested in what Nikon can offer in the DX range since they are more than capable of meeting my needs for a much longer time. They have a tendency of major improvement just like D100-D200-D300 to keep me busy.

Future:

Forget about V2 for now - that will give us 54mp in DX...

Do not forget about V2. While the popular version of the D400 with D7100 sensor would be good, why not two versions of D400. The pro CX version with V2 sensor and very fast fps and huge buffer would be great for birders and not have the severe handicap of V2 with adapter for long lenses. A 54mp DX would also be interesting! That fantastic 32-35mp DX should run at least to 8 fps.

Dan

Rather than "Pro" CX, why not "Pro" V-DX with new compact, fast lenses designed for mirrorless and an adapter for all existing Nikon lenses.  There is nothing, other than the viewfinder that a mirror in a dSLR provides which cannot ultimately be equaled or bettered by mirrorless technology and so much that a mirrored dSLR cannot hope to provide.

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Warren

The V1 and V2 with adapter for standard Nikon lenses has proven mirrorless is not capable of fast continuous AF. Only DSLR can provide this at this time, so I want D300 body with V2 or V3 sensor with no adapter necessary. It would be used with long lenses for birds and wildlife. No compact lenses for me.

Dan

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