D800 Firmware Update Focus Improvement!

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D800 Firmware Update Focus Improvement!
Apr 2, 2013

I'm not crazy.

(Maybe a little.)

I had my D800 at the office today because my friend claimed his Sigma 50mm 1.4 was not focusing on his D5100. I did some lens swapping, corrected some dirty contacts and all was well.

Then I grabbed a few quick shots with the D800 and the Nikon 50mm 1.8G wide open, targeted the eye and WHAMO half of the shots were front/back focused. This was under a mix of office/fluorescent lights. Of course this is the sort of issue many have reported, especially at 1.4 or 1.8.

Then I logged into these forums and spotted the FW update. I had no expectation for an improvement, but I updated the camera anyway.

Under the exact same lighting I shot again and WHAMO, focus was NAILED every time. I'm going to do more tests, but I really tried to get the AF to miss and it did not.

I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic! The 85mm 1.4 and 1.8 will be tried next...two lenses that really gave me fits on this camera. I'll report back.

Robert

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Shotcents wrote:

I'm not crazy.

(Maybe a little.)

I had my D800 at the office today because my friend claimed his Sigma 50mm 1.4 was not focusing on his D5100. I did some lens swapping, corrected some dirty contacts and all was well.

Then I grabbed a few quick shots with the D800 and the Nikon 50mm 1.8G wide open, targeted the eye and WHAMO half of the shots were front/back focused. This was under a mix of office/fluorescent lights. Of course this is the sort of issue many have reported, especially at 1.4 or 1.8.

Then I logged into these forums and spotted the FW update. I had no expectation for an improvement, but I updated the camera anyway.

Under the exact same lighting I shot again and WHAMO, focus was NAILED every time. I'm going to do more tests, but I really tried to get the AF to miss and it did not.

I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic! The 85mm 1.4 and 1.8 will be tried next...two lenses that really gave me fits on this camera. I'll report back.

Robert

Interesting on Nikon's own site they only mention improvements to AF-C. Why do they have to lie? Why not just say both are improved?

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primeshooter wrote:

Shotcents wrote:

I'm not crazy.

(Maybe a little.)

I had my D800 at the office today because my friend claimed his Sigma 50mm 1.4 was not focusing on his D5100. I did some lens swapping, corrected some dirty contacts and all was well.

Then I grabbed a few quick shots with the D800 and the Nikon 50mm 1.8G wide open, targeted the eye and WHAMO half of the shots were front/back focused. This was under a mix of office/fluorescent lights. Of course this is the sort of issue many have reported, especially at 1.4 or 1.8.

Then I logged into these forums and spotted the FW update. I had no expectation for an improvement, but I updated the camera anyway.

Under the exact same lighting I shot again and WHAMO, focus was NAILED every time. I'm going to do more tests, but I really tried to get the AF to miss and it did not.

I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic! The 85mm 1.4 and 1.8 will be tried next...two lenses that really gave me fits on this camera. I'll report back.

Robert

Interesting on Nikon's own site they only mention improvements to AF-C. Why do they have to lie? Why not just say both are improved?

I can't imagine how you could improve ONLY AF-C since they both operate the same way.

I'm going to test more lenses under weak window light/tungsten in an hour. That lighting made the AF on the D800 very dodgy. 50-60% hit rate was the best I could hope for using eyes as a target.

We'll see what we see.

Robert

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Shotcents wrote:

I'm not crazy.

(Maybe a little.)

I had my D800 at the office today because my friend claimed his Sigma 50mm 1.4 was not focusing on his D5100. I did some lens swapping, corrected some dirty contacts and all was well.

Then I grabbed a few quick shots with the D800 and the Nikon 50mm 1.8G wide open, targeted the eye and WHAMO half of the shots were front/back focused. This was under a mix of office/fluorescent lights. Of course this is the sort of issue many have reported, especially at 1.4 or 1.8.

Then I logged into these forums and spotted the FW update. I had no expectation for an improvement, but I updated the camera anyway.

Under the exact same lighting I shot again and WHAMO, focus was NAILED every time. I'm going to do more tests, but I really tried to get the AF to miss and it did not.

I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic! The 85mm 1.4 and 1.8 will be tried next...two lenses that really gave me fits on this camera. I'll report back.

Robert

I also noticed a significant improvement on all points from the outer left to right, each one nailed it with AFS 85mm 1.4, happy bunny.

It seems more responsive in focusing and locks on accurately with less hunting.

AF doesn't get a mention, else lose some face and vindicate everyone who has had problems.

To be honest this was also the case with D700, after first firmware update all issues resolved and a solid camera from there on.

It's perfect timing for me as wedding season starting soon.

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Shotcents wrote:

primeshooter wrote:

Shotcents wrote:

I'm not crazy.

(Maybe a little.)

I had my D800 at the office today because my friend claimed his Sigma 50mm 1.4 was not focusing on his D5100. I did some lens swapping, corrected some dirty contacts and all was well.

Then I grabbed a few quick shots with the D800 and the Nikon 50mm 1.8G wide open, targeted the eye and WHAMO half of the shots were front/back focused. This was under a mix of office/fluorescent lights. Of course this is the sort of issue many have reported, especially at 1.4 or 1.8.

Then I logged into these forums and spotted the FW update. I had no expectation for an improvement, but I updated the camera anyway.

Under the exact same lighting I shot again and WHAMO, focus was NAILED every time. I'm going to do more tests, but I really tried to get the AF to miss and it did not.

I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic! The 85mm 1.4 and 1.8 will be tried next...two lenses that really gave me fits on this camera. I'll report back.

Robert

Interesting on Nikon's own site they only mention improvements to AF-C. Why do they have to lie? Why not just say both are improved?

I can't imagine how you could improve ONLY AF-C since they both operate the same way.

I'm going to test more lenses under weak window light/tungsten in an hour. That lighting made the AF on the D800 very dodgy. 50-60% hit rate was the best I could hope for using eyes as a target.

We'll see what we see.

Robert

I'm not saying it's possible, I just mean, why aren't they honest? They've admitted AF-C was updated.

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Joe P Doyle wrote:

Shotcents wrote:

I'm not crazy.

(Maybe a little.)

I had my D800 at the office today because my friend claimed his Sigma 50mm 1.4 was not focusing on his D5100. I did some lens swapping, corrected some dirty contacts and all was well.

Then I grabbed a few quick shots with the D800 and the Nikon 50mm 1.8G wide open, targeted the eye and WHAMO half of the shots were front/back focused. This was under a mix of office/fluorescent lights. Of course this is the sort of issue many have reported, especially at 1.4 or 1.8.

Then I logged into these forums and spotted the FW update. I had no expectation for an improvement, but I updated the camera anyway.

Under the exact same lighting I shot again and WHAMO, focus was NAILED every time. I'm going to do more tests, but I really tried to get the AF to miss and it did not.

I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic! The 85mm 1.4 and 1.8 will be tried next...two lenses that really gave me fits on this camera. I'll report back.

Robert

I also noticed a significant improvement on all points from the outer left to right, each one nailed it with AFS 85mm 1.4, happy bunny.

It seems more responsive in focusing and locks on accurately with less hunting.

AF doesn't get a mention, else lose some face and vindicate everyone who has had problems.

To be honest this was also the case with D700, after first firmware update all issues resolved and a solid camera from there on.

It's perfect timing for me as wedding season starting soon.

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But AF DID get a mention. Have a look at their site. They are only admitting to AF-C improvements which I find "queer".

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Interesting on Nikon's own site they only mention improvements to AF-C. Why do they have to lie? Why not just say both are improved?

It is very common. There have been many instances where Nikon fixed/improved on things that they never reported in the Release Notes of the firmware update. Nikon is well known for such hidden/secret improvements.

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Perhaps admitting something has been fixed is equivalent to admitting something was wrong, which they have often avoided.

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primeshooter wrote:

Joe P Doyle wrote:

Shotcents wrote:

I'm not crazy.

(Maybe a little.)

I had my D800 at the office today because my friend claimed his Sigma 50mm 1.4 was not focusing on his D5100. I did some lens swapping, corrected some dirty contacts and all was well.

Then I grabbed a few quick shots with the D800 and the Nikon 50mm 1.8G wide open, targeted the eye and WHAMO half of the shots were front/back focused. This was under a mix of office/fluorescent lights. Of course this is the sort of issue many have reported, especially at 1.4 or 1.8.

Then I logged into these forums and spotted the FW update. I had no expectation for an improvement, but I updated the camera anyway.

Under the exact same lighting I shot again and WHAMO, focus was NAILED every time. I'm going to do more tests, but I really tried to get the AF to miss and it did not.

I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic! The 85mm 1.4 and 1.8 will be tried next...two lenses that really gave me fits on this camera. I'll report back.

Robert

I also noticed a significant improvement on all points from the outer left to right, each one nailed it with AFS 85mm 1.4, happy bunny.

It seems more responsive in focusing and locks on accurately with less hunting.

AF doesn't get a mention, else lose some face and vindicate everyone who has had problems.

To be honest this was also the case with D700, after first firmware update all issues resolved and a solid camera from there on.

It's perfect timing for me as wedding season starting soon.

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But AF DID get a mention. Have a look at their site. They are only admitting to AF-C improvements which I find "queer".

Haha, If you where selling a product would you admit to AFS fault that you could fix later ?

Stop selling and run up huge costs from release date to now ?

Or would you sugar coat it as AFC fix, I love being a consumer :~)

Nonetheless a very happy bunny now.

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John4 wrote:

Perhaps admitting something has been fixed is equivalent to admitting something was wrong, which they have often avoided.

So, they are admitting that AF-C was wrong then aren't they. Do you see what I mean? Why not just say general AF improvements?

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Hi Robert,

We're all a bit crazy, the bad thing is when you're hurting people with it

You're absolutely right. I'm never a big fan of installing immediately the latest firmware of any kind of electronic thing I have to depend on. But after reading some tweets with uber positive comments about the performance I thought to give it a try. It's indeed noticeable better, especially faster in tracking.

Michel

Shotcents wrote:

I'm not crazy.

(Maybe a little.)

I had my D800 at the office today because my friend claimed his Sigma 50mm 1.4 was not focusing on his D5100. I did some lens swapping, corrected some dirty contacts and all was well.

Then I grabbed a few quick shots with the D800 and the Nikon 50mm 1.8G wide open, targeted the eye and WHAMO half of the shots were front/back focused. This was under a mix of office/fluorescent lights. Of course this is the sort of issue many have reported, especially at 1.4 or 1.8.

Then I logged into these forums and spotted the FW update. I had no expectation for an improvement, but I updated the camera anyway.

Under the exact same lighting I shot again and WHAMO, focus was NAILED every time. I'm going to do more tests, but I really tried to get the AF to miss and it did not.

I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic! The 85mm 1.4 and 1.8 will be tried next...two lenses that really gave me fits on this camera. I'll report back.

Robert

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You make it sound like Nikon is unique in it or maybe even suggesting with it, that it is a 'Japanese' thing.

Many companies do this, and non related to country or camera specific.

Michel

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Interesting on Nikon's own site they only mention improvements to AF-C. Why do they have to lie? Why not just say both are improved?

It is very common. There have been many instances where Nikon fixed/improved on things that they never reported in the Release Notes of the firmware update. Nikon is well known for such hidden/secret improvements.

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M Lammerse wrote:

You make it sound like Nikon is unique in it or maybe even suggesting with it, that it is a 'Japanese' thing.

Many companies do this, and non related to country or camera specific.

Michel

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Interesting on Nikon's own site they only mention improvements to AF-C. Why do they have to lie? Why not just say both are improved?

It is very common. There have been many instances where Nikon fixed/improved on things that they never reported in the Release Notes of the firmware update. Nikon is well known for such hidden/secret improvements.

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Yeah, but why mention that AF-C is better then. Why not just fix that, and not say, as with AF-S?

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It's clearly improved with all my lenses.

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You're right,

It's a good question to ask with probable a good answer as well which we will not hear, but it's not brand specific behavior.

Michel

primeshooter wrote:

M Lammerse wrote:

You make it sound like Nikon is unique in it or maybe even suggesting with it, that it is a 'Japanese' thing.

Many companies do this, and non related to country or camera specific.

Michel

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primeshooter wrote:

Interesting on Nikon's own site they only mention improvements to AF-C. Why do they have to lie? Why not just say both are improved?

It is very common. There have been many instances where Nikon fixed/improved on things that they never reported in the Release Notes of the firmware update. Nikon is well known for such hidden/secret improvements.

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Yeah, but why mention that AF-C is better then. Why not just fix that, and not say, as with AF-S?

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M Lammerse wrote:

You make it sound like Nikon is unique in it or maybe even suggesting with it, that it is a 'Japanese' thing.

Many companies do this, and non related to country or camera specific.

I wasn't really suggesting that Nikon is the only company that does that. I wrote about Nikon because I have first hand experience with them having done it in the past. They did the same thing with D2x and D3 as well. They were confirmed by well respected photographers like Bjorn Rorslett.

I am sure other companies do that as well. It is just that I don't have any first hand experience with them.

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sorry,

I felt a bit sounding like it. I had similar experiences with Siemens and Panasonic, not camera related by the way.

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M Lammerse wrote:

You make it sound like Nikon is unique in it or maybe even suggesting with it, that it is a 'Japanese' thing.

Many companies do this, and non related to country or camera specific.

I wasn't really suggesting that Nikon is the only company that does that. I wrote about Nikon because I have first hand experience with them having done it in the past. They did the same thing with D2x and D3 as well. They were confirmed by well respected photographers like Bjorn Rorslett.

I am sure other companies do that as well. It is just that I don't have any first hand experience with them.

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Mojn wrote:

It's clearly improved with all my lenses.

I've not fully tested yet. Are yours better in AF-S mode too, or just AF-C. Have you tested low light and good light. Indoors and out, different Kelvin yet? Not being sarcastic or anything, interested to know what you feel.

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Mojn wrote:

It's clearly improved with all my lenses.

I have to say that I did not have much problems with focus tracking before, but you clearly notices it, it tracks faster. Try an 'old' fast D prime lens wide open, it's even more funnier.

I've installed firmware updates in the past like that of the D3 which gave clear (positive) differences, but this one is in my opinion the most noticeable update in a long time.

Not a placebo at all!

Michel

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I've just installed the update a few minutes ago, so I can't say if AF-C or AF-S are better or not.  If they are, I'm happy, whether Nikon admitted it wasn't perfect before or not.  Improvement is GOOD!

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