Maybe it' my aging eyes, but.......

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Mar 31, 2013

So far I haven't seen the biting sharpness I expected to see, from the D7100 without an AA filter. Resolution of course is stellar, but I'm still feeling that the shots I've seen here, and elsewhere, are lacking that little extra degree of sharpness that my old D300 had. To be fair my current D7000 also seems to lack the sharpness my D300 had. Same lenses in case you're wondering, and I'm talking about tripod mounted, mirror locked, as well. Anyone have any theories, or is it just my subjective perception?

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In reply to fotolopithecus, Mar 31, 2013

It all depends on the quality of the lens. It wont make poor glass any better.

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They said it couldn't be done, so I encouraged my peers not to bother.

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Whalligeo wrote:

It all depends on the quality of the lens. It wont make poor glass any better.

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They said it couldn't be done, so I encouraged my peers not to bother.

Just to be more clear in what I'm trying to convey, the D7000, and D7100 seem less sharp than the D300 did. At the same time I'm not saying I prefer the D300, but there were a couple of areas where it did seem to excel over D7000, and D7100. Another area was a slight edge in highlight dynamic range.

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In reply to fotolopithecus, Mar 31, 2013

fotolopithecus wrote:

So far I haven't seen the biting sharpness I expected to see, from the D7100 without an AA filter. Resolution of course is stellar, but I'm still feeling that the shots I've seen here, and elsewhere, are lacking that little extra degree of sharpness that my old D300 had.

So what is this thread 6,212 you've started "doubting" an area in which the D7100 is better?

Two options with this one a) it is sharper b) you're blind. I vote b.

I hear some states have a newly legalized "drug" that might help.

From an image perspective it's a nice step forward from the D7000 & easily better than the D300 generation sensors.

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So far I haven't seen the biting sharpness I expected to see, from the D7100 without an AA filter. Resolution of course is stellar, but I'm still feeling that the shots I've seen here, and elsewhere, are lacking that little extra degree of sharpness that my old D300 had.

So what is this thread 6,212 you've started "doubting" an area in which the D7100 is better?

Two options with this one a) it is sharper b) you're blind. I vote b.

I hear some states have a newly legalized "drug" that might help.

From an image perspective it's a nice step forward from the D7000 & easily better than the D300 generation sensors.

No Bailey, you shouldn't take this personally, it's just that I like a very through vetting of any new camera that interests me. I'd say on the whole my overall opinion of the new D7100 is very favorable, but it's just in my nature to look for problems, and balance them against pluses. Besides, what the heck else are we suppose to talk about around here.

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In reply to fotolopithecus, Mar 31, 2013

I took my D90 to a camera shop & compared it to the D7100. I really could not see a difference in the photos. I am 67 & have not used the newly legalized drug since the 60`s. Maybe thats my problem.

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I took my D90 to a camera shop & compared it to the D7100. I really could not see a difference in the photos. I am 67 & have not used the newly legalized drug since the 60`s. Maybe thats my problem.

Yeah you see this may be the problem, you, and I are old farts, and can't quite wrap our minds around how technical digital cameras are compared with film. At the same time, it's not like I'm some nincompoop that doesn't know which end of the camera to look through, like was the case with so many early D7000 complaints

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fotolopithecus wrote:

dowop wrote:

I took my D90 to a camera shop & compared it to the D7100. I really could not see a difference in the photos. I am 67 & have not used the newly legalized drug since the 60`s. Maybe thats my problem.

Yeah you see this may be the problem, you, and I are old farts, and can't quite wrap our minds around how technical digital cameras are compared with film. At the same time, it's not like I'm some nincompoop that doesn't know which end of the camera to look through, like was the case with so many early D7000 complaints

We do agree. Plus I just looked at the pictures with out pixel peeping.

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fotolopithecus wrote:

No Bailey, you shouldn't take this personally, it's just that I like a very through vetting of any new camera that interests me. I'd say on the whole my overall opinion of the new D7100 is very favorable, but it's just in my nature to look for problems, and balance them against pluses. Besides, what the heck else are we suppose to talk about around here.

Nah, not taking it personally at all...........just having a bit of fun

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Once DSLRs hit 6mp, or maybe even before, the cameras became capable of taking outstanding photos.  Since then, the cameras have gotten marginally better with each release.  Head on over to Imaging Resource and take a gander at their compare-o-meter.  Pixel peep for a while at 100% with the D300s on one side and the D7000 on the other at lower ISOs.  If you don't see the difference in detail and sharpness I suggest you visit your eye doctor for a new refraction.

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Once DSLRs hit 6mp, or maybe even before, the cameras became capable of taking outstanding photos.  Since then, the cameras have gotten marginally better with each release.  Head on over to Imaging Resource and take a gander at their compare-o-meter.  Pixel peep for a while at 100% with the D300s on one side and the D7000 on the other at lower ISOs.  If you don't see the difference in detail and sharpness I suggest you visit your eye doctor for a new refraction.

We can see RAW instead of JPG files here. These are from the front part of the scene and the back part so no claims of focusing error involved. To my aging eyes except for the fact that more pixels produce larger images (hardly surprising) there is not a large difference in apparent sharpness. In fact, throw in 24 megapixels and it appears to me that to get a SIGNIFICANT increase in apparent sharpness you need to look at the NEX 7.

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fotolopithecus wrote:

No Bailey, you shouldn't take this personally, it's just that I like a very through vetting of any new camera that interests me. I'd say on the whole my overall opinion of the new D7100 is very favorable, but it's just in my nature to look for problems, and balance them against pluses. Besides, what the heck else are we suppose to talk about around here.

Nah, not taking it personally at all...........just having a bit of fun

OK Bailey not to worry, after I've exhausted all the knits there are to pick, I'll likely buy a D7100 myself. For now though, so little time, so many knits to pick.

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Just what you needed, another nit :^)

They're really small!

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Reilly Diefenbach wrote:

Just what you needed, another nit :^)

They're really small!

No man, I'm not picking those kinda nits, I'm picking apart the knits on a sweater girls sweater. Yes, much more fun, and your photo, yuk incidentally.

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fotolopithecus wrote:

So far I haven't seen the biting sharpness I expected to see, from the D7100 without an AA filter. Resolution of course is stellar

Sharpness (at 100% view) is irrelevant. The thing that matters is resolution.

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How are you viewing these images that are less sharp than a D300? I have never seen such a D300 that is more resolving power than an D7000 or 7100. Are you pixel peeping at 100%, if so, that is not a test of sharpness between two different cameras with different pixel size. 100%, pixel 1:1 is going to be much more magnified than a D300 image at 100%.

Did you mean to state that the DR highlights were better on the d300 or was that a typo? The D7000 is considerable better(and the D90 is slightly better) than the D300 so I would ask for controlled test images that support that claim. It has to be the first time anyone made that statement.

Getting back to the less than sharp D7100 images, how large of prints are you viewing and from what distance? I hope you are not suggesting that you can tell based on 72-97 dpi monitor displays.

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Getting back to the less than sharp D7100 images, how large of prints are you viewing and from what distance? I hope you are not suggesting that you can tell based on 72-97 dpi monitor displays.

Stan, are you saying that the theoretical improvements in sharpness with the D7100 cannot be perceived unless the image is physically printed on paper?

If that is so, then the corrollary for people such as I who print very little, 'upgrading' to a d7100 in pursuit of sharper images is pointless. I don't think the Nikon advertisements make that clear.

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How are you viewing these images that are less sharp than a D300? I have never seen such a D300 that is more resolving power than an D7000 or 7100. Are you pixel peeping at 100%, if so, that is not a test of sharpness between two different cameras with different pixel size. 100%, pixel 1:1 is going to be much more magnified than a D300 image at 100%.

Did you mean to state that the DR highlights were better on the d300 or was that a typo? The D7000 is considerable better(and the D90 is slightly better) than the D300 so I would ask for controlled test images that support that claim. It has to be the first time anyone made that statement.

Getting back to the less than sharp D7100 images, how large of prints are you viewing and from what distance? I hope you are not suggesting that you can tell based on 72-97 dpi monitor displays.

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Not resolving power, sharpness, the D7000, and D7100 have far more resolving power, but they seem less sharp to me.

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coudet wrote:

fotolopithecus wrote:

So far I haven't seen the biting sharpness I expected to see, from the D7100 without an AA filter. Resolution of course is stellar

Sharpness (at 100% view) is irrelevant. The thing that matters is resolution.

Perhaps, but I like tack sharp images, and I'm not talking about at 100%.

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fotolopithecus wrote:

Not resolving power, sharpness, the D7000, and D7100 have far more resolving power, but they seem less sharp to me.

Then it's time for a new prescription - I might give you the D7000 vs the D300 gen sensor, that's not quite as big a difference (I can still see it). But the D7100? That's easy. Too any pics around here. There more than a couple birds and some wildlife. The red fox & the owl - both images are sharper and have more detail than the 300 could ever hope to achieve, just not possible for that gen of sensor. There's more than a couple birds from the D7100 that even @ 100% every single feather is razor sharp - never seen that from a 300, ever.

Is it a revolutionary sensor? Nope, its simply a nice step forward. Is it worth the upgrade? Depends on the model you have now. Previous gen D7xxx/D5xxx? Maybe not, image is closer (unless you need a specific feature). Dated sensors like the D300 gen? Yep, it's better (unless say you need the machine gun buffer, then obviously not).

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