Calling All Collars: 70-200 f/4 VR

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Island Golfer
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In reply to nkistrup, Mar 31, 2013

Like Denis said, it attaches either way. It will screw directly into any tripod head, without any additional plate. I use mine on three different Manfrotto heads. They all screw directly into the Kirk collar, without any other device needed.

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In reply to Denis of Whidbey Island, Mar 31, 2013

Denis of Whidbey Island wrote:

nkistrup wrote:

Think I'm missing something: Kirk's collar for the 70-200 f4 lens attaches to a tripod head directly like a quick release plate?  Or does it attach to a plate, which then attached to the tripod head?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=926439&Q=&is=REG&A=details

If it attaches to the tripod head, not a plate that attaches to a head, what sorts of heads have you put it on?

You can see that it has a full-length dovetail to fit an Arca-Swiss compatible clamp, but it is also tapped for standard (3/8"?) tripod-mounting thread. If it is 3/8" you can insert a brass adapter to reduce it to 1/4"-20 standard. No separate plate is required.

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THANKS Denis & Island Golfer!

Summing it up: IF I

  1. Change my tripod head to one that uses Arca-Swiss compatible plates &
  2. Get the Kirk collar for the Nikon 70-200 f4 lens

I do NOT need an ADDITIONAL A-S compatible plate between the collar and the tripod's ball head.  Another '+' for selecting Nikon 70-200 f4.

Yes I know that the tripod connection shouldn't dictate lens selection, but will carry lots of weight if it's close!

Niels

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In reply to nkistrup, Mar 31, 2013

nkistrup wrote:

Island Golfer wrote:

Spend the chingwa and buy the one that is designed for it and works correctly.........

http://www.kirkphoto.com/Lens_Collar_for_70-200mm_f4G_ED_VR.html

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How finicky are the tolerances on the quick release plate on the Kirk collar?  Will it work with any A-S compatible quick release ball head?

just make sure you have the screw type clamp on your ballhead as opposed to the lever release QR clamps if you are mixing brands of arca swiss plates as the screw clamps can be tightened on most of them whereas the lever release clamps may have slightly different tolerances specific to their proprietary plates and may not clamp tight to others.

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hikerdoc wrote:

nkistrup wrote:

Island Golfer wrote:

Spend the chingwa and buy the one that is designed for it and works correctly.........

http://www.kirkphoto.com/Lens_Collar_for_70-200mm_f4G_ED_VR.html

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How finicky are the tolerances on the quick release plate on the Kirk collar?  Will it work with any A-S compatible quick release ball head?

just make sure you have the screw type clamp on your ballhead as opposed to the lever release QR clamps if you are mixing brands of arca swiss plates as the screw clamps can be tightened on most of them whereas the lever release clamps may have slightly different tolerances specific to their proprietary plates and may not clamp tight to others.

You worded it the way that I should have!  Yes, that's my concern.  Want to use a lever-type quick release, and aware that they can be finicky.

Looking at the Acratech ball heads, and know that Wimberly plates will work them.  So will the Kirk collar fit in the lever-type Acratech ball head?  And from Denis mentioned, the collar could be screwed to a QR plate, then set on the ball head.

Worst case scenario, send the head back & exchange it for one that works.

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In reply to nkistrup, Mar 31, 2013

nkistrup wrote:

hikerdoc wrote:

nkistrup wrote:

Island Golfer wrote:

Spend the chingwa and buy the one that is designed for it and works correctly.........

http://www.kirkphoto.com/Lens_Collar_for_70-200mm_f4G_ED_VR.html

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How finicky are the tolerances on the quick release plate on the Kirk collar?  Will it work with any A-S compatible quick release ball head?

just make sure you have the screw type clamp on your ballhead as opposed to the lever release QR clamps if you are mixing brands of arca swiss plates as the screw clamps can be tightened on most of them whereas the lever release clamps may have slightly different tolerances specific to their proprietary plates and may not clamp tight to others.

You worded it the way that I should have!  Yes, that's my concern.  Want to use a lever-type quick release, and aware that they can be finicky.

Looking at the Acratech ball heads, and know that Wimberly plates will work them.  So will the Kirk collar fit in the lever-type Acratech ball head?  And from Denis mentioned, the collar could be screwed to a QR plate, then set on the ball head.

Worst case scenario, send the head back & exchange it for one that works.

From what I have read, Wimberley and RRS plates have same tolerances and will work in lever release clamps from each other. I believe RRS lever clamps will not tightly hold plates from Kirk or Markins. Kirk, Markins, and RRS screw clamps will hold any of them. Markins lever release QR clamps can be adjusted to fit any of the plates but generally are adjusted to fit a specific brand plate, not a routinely recommended field adjustment. I do not know specifically if acratech and Kirk use the same dimensional tolerances (I use Kirk, RRS, Wimberley, and Markins stuff). Kirk and RRS are very friendly and very helpful if you give them a call. I have a RRS replacement foot for the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 which attaches the same as original and is compatible with the clamp on ballhead. I think the kirk collar for the f/4 does not need an additional plate as the foot is the plate and should be Arca-Swiss compatible.

Darrell

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In reply to hikerdoc, Mar 31, 2013

Looking at the Acratech ball heads, and know that Wimberly plates will work them.  So will the Kirk collar fit in the lever-type Acratech ball head?  And from Denis mentioned, the collar could be screwed to a QR plate, then set on the ball head.

Worst case scenario, send the head back & exchange it for one that works.

From what I have read, Wimberley and RRS plates have same tolerances and will work in lever release clamps from each other. I believe RRS lever clamps will not tightly hold plates from Kirk or Markins. Kirk, Markins, and RRS screw clamps will hold any of them. Markins lever release QR clamps can be adjusted to fit any of the plates but generally are adjusted to fit a specific brand plate, not a routinely recommended field adjustment. I do not know specifically if acratech and Kirk use the same dimensional tolerances (I use Kirk, RRS, Wimberley, and Markins stuff). Kirk and RRS are very friendly and very helpful if you give them a call. I have a RRS replacement foot for the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 which attaches the same as original and is compatible with the clamp on ballhead. I think the kirk collar for the f/4 does not need an additional plate as the foot is the plate and should be Arca-Swiss compatible.

Darrell

Thanks Darrell,

Will continue to dig to see if someone has used or tried that combo.  In process of lining up the components for a DSLR, and every little tidbit of info helps. 

Niels

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No you do NOT! All Kirk plates are quick release Arca-Swiss compatable
In reply to nkistrup, Mar 31, 2013

nkistrup wrote:

Denis of Whidbey Island wrote:

nkistrup wrote:

Think I'm missing something: Kirk's collar for the 70-200 f4 lens attaches to a tripod head directly like a quick release plate?  Or does it attach to a plate, which then attached to the tripod head?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=926439&Q=&is=REG&A=details

If it attaches to the tripod head, not a plate that attaches to a head, what sorts of heads have you put it on?

You can see that it has a full-length dovetail to fit an Arca-Swiss compatible clamp, but it is also tapped for standard (3/8"?) tripod-mounting thread. If it is 3/8" you can insert a brass adapter to reduce it to 1/4"-20 standard. No separate plate is required.

Denis

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I have made this letter a rather long one, only because I didn't have the leisure to make it shorter. Blaise Pascal, 1623-1662

THANKS Denis & Island Golfer!

Summing it up: IF I

  1. Change my tripod head to one that uses Arca-Swiss compatible plates &
  2. Get the Kirk collar for the Nikon 70-200 f4 lens

I do NOT need an ADDITIONAL A-S compatible plate between the collar and the tripod's ball head.  Another '+' for selecting Nikon 70-200 f4.

Yes I know that the tripod connection shouldn't dictate lens selection, but will carry lots of weight if it's close!

Niels

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Re: Calling All Collars: 70-200 f/4 VR
In reply to nkistrup, Mar 31, 2013

nkistrup wrote:

Looking at the Acratech ball heads, and know that Wimberly plates will work them.  So will the Kirk collar fit in the lever-type Acratech ball head?  And from Denis mentioned, the collar could be screwed to a QR plate, then set on the ball head.

Worst case scenario, send the head back & exchange it for one that works.

From what I have read, Wimberley and RRS plates have same tolerances and will work in lever release clamps from each other. I believe RRS lever clamps will not tightly hold plates from Kirk or Markins. Kirk, Markins, and RRS screw clamps will hold any of them. Markins lever release QR clamps can be adjusted to fit any of the plates but generally are adjusted to fit a specific brand plate, not a routinely recommended field adjustment. I do not know specifically if acratech and Kirk use the same dimensional tolerances (I use Kirk, RRS, Wimberley, and Markins stuff). Kirk and RRS are very friendly and very helpful if you give them a call. I have a RRS replacement foot for the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 which attaches the same as original and is compatible with the clamp on ballhead. I think the kirk collar for the f/4 does not need an additional plate as the foot is the plate and should be Arca-Swiss compatible.

Darrell

Thanks Darrell,

Will continue to dig to see if someone has used or tried that combo.  In process of lining up the components for a DSLR, and every little tidbit of info helps. 

Niels

It appears that the Acra Tech QR lever clamps do have an adjusting knob which should allow use of plates from various manufacturers, i.e. Kirk, RRS, Wimberley, Markins.

Darrell

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In reply to emax, Mar 31, 2013

Just curious, how do you like the Nikon 70-200 compared to the Canon version? I've heard varying reports about the sharpness. Thanks,

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Thanks again Darrell.

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In reply to Oscarroos, Mar 31, 2013

Yes I know that the tripod connection shouldn't dictate lens selection, but will carry lots of weight if it's close!

Let me clarify the last comment: All other things being equal, the existence, not necessarily inclusion of, a quality collar (e.g. Kirk, RRS), is a major plus for a given lens.

Think it was Kuppenbender in the Accessories forum, told me supporting the weight of the lens is not enough.  A collar that locks the lens down, will decrease the vibrations, resulting is fewer fuzzy pictures.  (He didn't use those exact words, but that's the gist of it.)

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JOrmsby wrote:

Just curious, how do you like the Nikon 70-200 compared to the Canon version? I've heard varying reports about the sharpness.

It's hard to compare the 2 directly, as I used the Canon verson on a FF 12MP 5D, whereas I'm using the Nikon on a DX 16MP D7000.

The Canon performed well throughout, but I thought its sharpness suffered a bit at close range.

From the limited testing I've done with the Nikon, it's sharper than my 70-200/2.8 VR1 at f/8.  Tomorrow, I'll test them at wider apertures.

I wish I had an FX body to test the outer part of the image circle.

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hikerdoc wrote:

From what I have read, Wimberley and RRS plates have same tolerances and will work in lever release clamps from each other. I believe RRS lever clamps will not tightly hold plates from Kirk or Markins. Kirk, Markins, and RRS screw clamps will hold any of them. Markins lever release QR clamps can be adjusted to fit any of the plates but generally are adjusted to fit a specific brand plate, not a routinely recommended field adjustment. I do not know specifically if acratech and Kirk use the same dimensional tolerances (I use Kirk, RRS, Wimberley, and Markins stuff). Kirk and RRS are very friendly and very helpful if you give them a call. I have a RRS replacement foot for the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 which attaches the same as original and is compatible with the clamp on ballhead. I think the kirk collar for the f/4 does not need an additional plate as the foot is the plate and should be Arca-Swiss compatible.

Darrell

FWIW, my RRS BH-40 worked just fine with my Kirk L-bracket.   I get the feeling that those issues are in the past, among the major players anyway...

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Enthusiast Photographer wrote:

hikerdoc wrote:

From what I have read, Wimberley and RRS plates have same tolerances and will work in lever release clamps from each other. I believe RRS lever clamps will not tightly hold plates from Kirk or Markins. Kirk, Markins, and RRS screw clamps will hold any of them. Markins lever release QR clamps can be adjusted to fit any of the plates but generally are adjusted to fit a specific brand plate, not a routinely recommended field adjustment. I do not know specifically if acratech and Kirk use the same dimensional tolerances (I use Kirk, RRS, Wimberley, and Markins stuff). Kirk and RRS are very friendly and very helpful if you give them a call. I have a RRS replacement foot for the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 which attaches the same as original and is compatible with the clamp on ballhead. I think the kirk collar for the f/4 does not need an additional plate as the foot is the plate and should be Arca-Swiss compatible.

Darrell

FWIW, my RRS BH-40 worked just fine with my Kirk L-bracket.   I get the feeling that those issues are in the past, among the major players anyway...

No, unfortunately the tolerances are not what they should be and "A-S" isn't really a precise standard.  The lever clamps just can't be adjusted to work well with all plates.  I work around it by placing some gaffer tape on the edges of the thinner plates to allow my plates to attach to a friend's lever-clamp (yes, the difference between "A-S" plates is that much!).  I have a screw clamp, but only out of laziness (it came with my Markins ballhead, which I hate, but am totally stuck with).

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D Knisely wrote:

Enthusiast Photographer wrote:

hikerdoc wrote:

From what I have read, Wimberley and RRS plates have same tolerances and will work in lever release clamps from each other. I believe RRS lever clamps will not tightly hold plates from Kirk or Markins. Kirk, Markins, and RRS screw clamps will hold any of them. Markins lever release QR clamps can be adjusted to fit any of the plates but generally are adjusted to fit a specific brand plate, not a routinely recommended field adjustment. I do not know specifically if acratech and Kirk use the same dimensional tolerances (I use Kirk, RRS, Wimberley, and Markins stuff). Kirk and RRS are very friendly and very helpful if you give them a call. I have a RRS replacement foot for the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 which attaches the same as original and is compatible with the clamp on ballhead. I think the kirk collar for the f/4 does not need an additional plate as the foot is the plate and should be Arca-Swiss compatible.

Darrell

FWIW, my RRS BH-40 worked just fine with my Kirk L-bracket.   I get the feeling that those issues are in the past, among the major players anyway...

No, unfortunately the tolerances are not what they should be and "A-S" isn't really a precise standard.  The lever clamps just can't be adjusted to work well with all plates.  I work around it by placing some gaffer tape on the edges of the thinner plates to allow my plates to attach to a friend's lever-clamp (yes, the difference between "A-S" plates is that much!).  I have a screw clamp, but only out of laziness (it came with my Markins ballhead, which I hate, but am totally stuck with).

Lemme see if I can parse that sentence:

  1. You are stuck with the Markins head
  2. You hate the Markins head
  3. Were you less lazy, you'd change to a lever clamp on the Markins

Is that an accurate decryption?

Denis

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Denis of Whidbey Island wrote:

D Knisely wrote:

Enthusiast Photographer wrote:

hikerdoc wrote:

From what I have read, Wimberley and RRS plates have same tolerances and will work in lever release clamps from each other. I believe RRS lever clamps will not tightly hold plates from Kirk or Markins. Kirk, Markins, and RRS screw clamps will hold any of them. Markins lever release QR clamps can be adjusted to fit any of the plates but generally are adjusted to fit a specific brand plate, not a routinely recommended field adjustment. I do not know specifically if acratech and Kirk use the same dimensional tolerances (I use Kirk, RRS, Wimberley, and Markins stuff). Kirk and RRS are very friendly and very helpful if you give them a call. I have a RRS replacement foot for the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 which attaches the same as original and is compatible with the clamp on ballhead. I think the kirk collar for the f/4 does not need an additional plate as the foot is the plate and should be Arca-Swiss compatible.

Darrell

FWIW, my RRS BH-40 worked just fine with my Kirk L-bracket.   I get the feeling that those issues are in the past, among the major players anyway...

No, unfortunately the tolerances are not what they should be and "A-S" isn't really a precise standard.  The lever clamps just can't be adjusted to work well with all plates.  I work around it by placing some gaffer tape on the edges of the thinner plates to allow my plates to attach to a friend's lever-clamp (yes, the difference between "A-S" plates is that much!).  I have a screw clamp, but only out of laziness (it came with my Markins ballhead, which I hate, but am totally stuck with).

Lemme see if I can parse that sentence:

  1. You are stuck with the Markins head
  2. You hate the Markins head
  3. Were you less lazy, you'd change to a lever clamp on the Markins

Is that an accurate decryption?

Denis

Hehe...  I wouldn't invest any money in the Markins head.  I would get a ballhead that I liked, but I suspect I might stick with the less convenience screw clamp because of my experiences with lever-style clamps not being adjustable for all uses without fiddling.

My gripe with the Markins (M10) is that I've never been able to adjust it so that it would hold a position but also allow motion the way a proper ballhead is supposed to work (with any lens).  It also always droops slightly after any adjustment (immediately, then it is stable).  It is solid and stable, however.  It is just hard to adjust.

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By the way, RRS told me earlier this week that they'd be shipping orders starting early next week.

No sign of my order. Did yours arrive?

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I have got the "has a hexagonal screw, and is stamped with the word "REIYI"" collar.

I found it difficult to turn lens in the collar. On investigation the collar is not precisely circular - ie its oval. When I get round to it I am going to attempt to correct collar using vice (or hammer!!).  It was worth the risk due to low price so I don't feel too aggrieved.

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Checked with RRS today and got this response:

I’ve just confirmed we got the first batch in today, so those will start shipping tomorrow. So far they’re not giving us any information on the next batch numbers/dates, but this first one is a drop in the bucket of a long pre-order list as you can imagine.

Feel free to check back later this week for more info.

Jim Weise

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So, at least they are starting to ship.

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In reply to Denis of Whidbey Island, Apr 16, 2013

I'd be somewhat surprised if I wasn't the first to order through their site - I placed an order within minutes of the pre-order link going live.  It's been a long "3-4 weeks" but this time tomorrow I should have a shipping notification.

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