E-M5 Lens question or two.

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Progressed from P/S to advanced compacts such as G10, G12 and then Canon FF w/ L glass, arthritis and the need for lighter, APS-C T2i w/ top glass, older and the need for lighter so I used a Canon G1X last summer on a 7 week BKK vacation.  I have used the Panny GF-1 along the way and could not warm up to the treatment of color, either in camera of via LR. Sold it and all lenses.

Miss an interchangeable lens setup and liked the idea of m4/3, just not the Panny colors. Am (strongly) considering a return to m4/3 with the E-M5.  As you can tell by my screen name I like to shoot on trips. ...  and most of the time your feet can't be the zoom.  It needs to be built into the lens.  From the talk on the board I seem to "get it" that the latest 75-300 is the long zoom to have, unless I wanted to use an adapter and my 70-300L Canon. Weight of the total package is a concern and I don't see dropping the Canon glass into a photo vest pocket.

Can I take it that the 12-50ED with the camera is the bundle to order or am I better off with the body only and ....    what as a walk around zoom?? As a reference I find the range on my 15-85 APS-C Canon lens to be an ideal range for most purposes although a little shorter on the long end would not be a problem. That lens is a FF 24-136 equivalent vs the FF equivalent  24-100 of the 12 -50 ED.  I don't see myself using a m4/3 14-140 as a walk around as the greater the span the greater the compromises.

I realize the jpegs from this cam are supposed to be special however I see myself continuing to shoot RAW and process in LR 4.3 with the NIK full package as externals when needed. I use B+W UV-Haze MC brass ring on all my glass if it makes a difference.

Thanks in advance for the input.....

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The 12-50 is a nice lens, very good for travelling, but not quite as sharp as your EFS 15-85. But you won't notice that unless you make very big prints.

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To be honest, the 14-150mm M. Zuiko I am now using as my normal zoom is better than either of the two 12-50 Zuikos I have tried with my E-M5. I'm also carrying the 9-18 M. Zuiko for really wide stuff and the 75-300 for the longer reach.

The 14-150 is pretty darn compact when set to 14mm. I have not yet stood it up at that setting alongside the 12-50 to just compare, but I can tell there's not much of a difference until, obviously, you start zooming the 14-150, but the extra reach is nice. The 14-150 has slightly more heft to it and is slicker-feeling in use, especially if you initiate the grinding, manual zoom of the 12-50.

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Travelshooter wrote:

Progressed from P/S to advanced compacts such as G10, G12 and then Canon FF w/ L glass, arthritis and the need for lighter, APS-C T2i w/ top glass, older and the need for lighter so I used a Canon G1X last summer on a 7 week BKK vacation.  I have used the Panny GF-1 along the way and could not warm up to the treatment of color, either in camera of via LR. Sold it and all lenses.

Miss an interchangeable lens setup and liked the idea of m4/3, just not the Panny colors. Am (strongly) considering a return to m4/3 with the E-M5.  As you can tell by my screen name I like to shoot on trips. ...  and most of the time your feet can't be the zoom.  It needs to be built into the lens.  From the talk on the board I seem to "get it" that the latest 75-300 is the long zoom to have, unless I wanted to use an adapter and my 70-300L Canon. Weight of the total package is a concern and I don't see dropping the Canon glass into a photo vest pocket.

Can I take it that the 12-50ED with the camera is the bundle to order or am I better off with the body only and ....    what as a walk around zoom?? As a reference I find the range on my 15-85 APS-C Canon lens to be an ideal range for most purposes although a little shorter on the long end would not be a problem. That lens is a FF 24-136 equivalent vs the FF equivalent  24-100 of the 12 -50 ED.  I don't see myself using a m4/3 14-140 as a walk around as the greater the span the greater the compromises.

I realize the jpegs from this cam are supposed to be special however I see myself continuing to shoot RAW and process in LR 4.3 with the NIK full package as externals when needed. I use B+W UV-Haze MC brass ring on all my glass if it makes a difference.

Thanks in advance for the input.....

Its a no brainer, get the OMD with the 12-50mm kit lens, its a superb travel lens and a bit of a swiss army knife as features go.

OMD + 12-50mm

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In reply to Travelshooter, Mar 27, 2013

You aren't likely to get any kind of consensus on lenses here, but FWIW here are my thoughts:

12-50(Oly) is a very convenient lens because of the range, macro, weather sealing and fast focus.  I like it because it has color that is reminiscent of the 12-60.  It isn't the sharpest lens for m4/3, but I generally only notice that on overcast low contrast days.

14-45 (Panny) is a sharper lens than the 12-50.  It is a very nice lens and cheap, doesn't have the convenience or color of the 12-50, but it is definitely sharper.

14-42 (Panny or Oly) I haven't used the latest versions but have read they aren't as sharp as the 14-45, FWIW.

40-150 (Oly) a tiny and cheap zoom (can get on sale for $99) that is surprisingly good, especially for the money.  It isn't a fast aperture lens but is good for travel considering the size and weight.

12-35 (Panasonic) I don't have this but it is faster zoom with good optics and also expensive.  I'm waiting to see what Olympus provides with rumored 12-40 coming this year.

75-300 (Oly) I have this lens and use it almost daily.  The optics are very good, although it does lose a bit between 250-300mm (but still good even then).  It focuses fast and works well handheld, not so good on a tripod because there is no tripod collar mount ring. It is larger than other m4/3 lenses, so if you want a couple of tiny lenses to fit in travel bag, get the 40-150 instead.  While we all want a small cheap fast aperture long zoom with amazing optics, this one is realistically a good balance of optics, price, size and weight.

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I'm starting to like the 12-50 kit lens, its only downside is the horrendous feeling when using the manual zoom, I just leave it on the power zoom, which believe it or not is very good.

Here's a few from it, if anyone tells you it isn't sharp they're lying.

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I'm starting to wonder about the F2.8 12-35 and 35-100 new Panny lenses.  I'm used to very high quality APS-C and Canon L lenses....

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In reply to PAUL TILL, Mar 27, 2013

Resized to such small dimensions, even a relatively soft lens can appear sharp.

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I think the 12-50 has unacceptable soft edges at 12mm. Other people maybe don't have that problem.

At 14mm, the smaller, lighter and less expensive m.zuiko 14-42mm II kit lens has better image quality in my opinion.

At longer focal lengths, the 12-50 is generally as good or better than the 14-42mm II.

Perhaps the 12-50 has better wide open performance than the 14-42mm II which needs to be stopped down. Although remember that "wide open" isn't really that wide open on either of these kit lenses, but even less so on the 12-50.

I usually use the 14-42m II, because of the size/weight and I just like it better. And I have the lens hood for the 14-42mm II.

The 12-50mm is designed to look and feel like a more premium lens than the 14-42mm II, but it doesn't deliver premium image quality.

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sigala1 wrote:

I think the 12-50 has unacceptable soft edges at 12mm. Other people maybe don't have that problem.

At 14mm, the smaller, lighter and less expensive m.zuiko 14-42mm II kit lens has better image quality in my opinion.

At longer focal lengths, the 12-50 is generally as good or better than the 14-42mm II.

Perhaps the 12-50 has better wide open performance than the 14-42mm II which needs to be stopped down. Although remember that "wide open" isn't really that wide open on either of these kit lenses, but even less so on the 12-50.

I usually use the 14-42m II, because of the size/weight and I just like it better. And I have the lens hood for the 14-42mm II.

The 12-50mm is designed to look and feel like a more premium lens than the 14-42mm II, but it doesn't deliver premium image quality.

Are you using the 12-50mm ?

OMD + 12-50mm, wide open at 12mm end

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They look real good for a kit lens but I was thinking sharp more in terms of

Canon 70-300 L on T2i

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T2i w 15-85

Thanks for posting those.

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sigala1 wrote:

I think the 12-50 has unacceptable soft edges at 12mm. Other people maybe don't have that problem.

At 14mm, the smaller, lighter and less expensive m.zuiko 14-42mm II kit lens has better image quality in my opinion.

At longer focal lengths, the 12-50 is generally as good or better than the 14-42mm II.

Perhaps the 12-50 has better wide open performance than the 14-42mm II which needs to be stopped down. Although remember that "wide open" isn't really that wide open on either of these kit lenses, but even less so on the 12-50.

I usually use the 14-42m II, because of the size/weight and I just like it better. And I have the lens hood for the 14-42mm II.

The 12-50mm is designed to look and feel like a more premium lens than the 14-42mm II, but it doesn't deliver premium image quality.

Have you actually used one? I see you shoot a PEN, don't they come with the fiddly 14-42mm?

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Are you using the 12-50mm ?

Beat me too it.

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Travelshooter wrote:

They look real good for a kit lens but...

When I get to see the sun I'm sure it will do better, I haven't had a day worth shooting on since I got my OM-D.

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Anyone have anything with the new Panny 12-35 or 35-100 F2.8 lenses on an E-M5  they can post?

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Travelshooter wrote:

They look real good for a kit lens but I was thinking sharp more in terms of

Canon 70-300 L on T2i

or

T2i w 15-85

Thanks for posting those.

I have never come across a poor m4/3 kit lens, we really are quite spoiled. If you have the money the higher grade Pany zooms like the 12-35 or 35-100mm will have the edge for sure.

The 12-35 f2.8 is pretty much on par with Canon`s 24-70 f2.8. the 35-100 is pretty much on par with Canons 70-200 f2.8, and each of these Pany lenses work out a good 30% cheaper and there both smaller and lighter.

Wide open the 12-50mm is very similar to the Pany 14mm with both wide open, I recently picked up GF2 + 14mm lens kit because it worked out cheaper than buying the lens on its own.

I`ve not given it much of a bashing as yet, all I have is a snap of the cat

!4mm wide open

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Thanks for posting the cat picture.  Hard to tell on a small image.

When I bought my T2i the first thing I did was sell the kit lens, still wrapped, to help pay part of the 15-85.  I see the 10-22, 15-85 and 70-300L as permanent APS-C lenses although the body may change when Canon makes the next jump in sensor performance and software.  The downside is that setup is probably going to be domestic only now ..  although an adaptor and the 70-300 L is not out of the question, it is truly superb.

If I take this jump I may do the same thing but certainly need to investigate IQ for the two Panny lenses ..  the F2.8 14-35 and 35-100.  On an E-M5 the weight of camera + lens is still reasonable.

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Travelshooter wrote:

Thanks for posting the cat picture.  Hard to tell on a small image.

When I bought my T2i the first thing I did was sell the kit lens, still wrapped, to help pay part of the 15-85.  I see the 10-22, 15-85 and 70-300L as permanent APS-C lenses although the body may change when Canon makes the next jump in sensor performance and software.  The downside is that setup is probably going to be domestic only now ..  although an adaptor and the 70-300 L is not out of the question, it is truly superb.

If I take this jump I may do the same thing but certainly need to investigate IQ for the two Panny lenses ..  the F2.8 14-35 and 35-100.  On an E-M5 the weight of camera + lens is still reasonable.

Its really with the primes were M4/3 really come into there own, Olympus really pushed the boat out with the 12, 17, 45 and 75 these are some of the best primes made by any manufacturer quite possibly ever, the Pany primes are good as well.

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12-50: sharp enough for a 1 MP camera
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sigala1 wrote:

I think the 12-50 has unacceptable soft edges at 12mm. Other people maybe don't have that problem.

At 14mm, the smaller, lighter and less expensive m.zuiko 14-42mm II kit lens has better image quality in my opinion.

At longer focal lengths, the 12-50 is generally as good or better than the 14-42mm II.

Perhaps the 12-50 has better wide open performance than the 14-42mm II which needs to be stopped down. Although remember that "wide open" isn't really that wide open on either of these kit lenses, but even less so on the 12-50.

I usually use the 14-42m II, because of the size/weight and I just like it better. And I have the lens hood for the 14-42mm II.

The 12-50mm is designed to look and feel like a more premium lens than the 14-42mm II, but it doesn't deliver premium image quality.

Are you using the 12-50mm ?

As your demo shows, the 12-50 is sharp enough if you only need 1 MP images for web viewing, if you get a good copy.

But for high quality 16MP images, it's another story.

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sigala1 wrote:

I think the 12-50 has unacceptable soft edges at 12mm. Other people maybe don't have that problem.

At 14mm, the smaller, lighter and less expensive m.zuiko 14-42mm II kit lens has better image quality in my opinion.

At longer focal lengths, the 12-50 is generally as good or better than the 14-42mm II.

Perhaps the 12-50 has better wide open performance than the 14-42mm II which needs to be stopped down. Although remember that "wide open" isn't really that wide open on either of these kit lenses, but even less so on the 12-50.

I usually use the 14-42m II, because of the size/weight and I just like it better. And I have the lens hood for the 14-42mm II.

The 12-50mm is designed to look and feel like a more premium lens than the 14-42mm II, but it doesn't deliver premium image quality.

Have you actually used one? I see you shoot a PEN, don't they come with the fiddly 14-42mm?

A 12-50 came with my E-M5. I don't use it because I don't like it. For the reasons I said above.

Perhaps YOU don't have any experience with the 14-42mm II. It's certainly sharp enough to make a razor-sharp 1 MP image for web-sized viewing.

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