New image editing rig - help please! 10 bit graphics etc...

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Know Win. 7 memory limits before buying
In reply to Leon Obers, Mar 29, 2013

Not all windows operating systems support 32G of memory.  Know before you buy.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778(v=vs.85).aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_7

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Re: Win7 or 8... darn...
In reply to Earthlight, Mar 29, 2013

Earthlight wrote:

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Thanks! I did and it seems people are going out of their way to make the 8 behave like the 7. Maybe there is an advantage to get 8 and then make it look like 7. But my intuition says going 7 in the first place is the better option.

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Re: New image editing rig - help please! 10 bit graphics etc...
In reply to Leon Obers, Mar 29, 2013

Leon Obers wrote:

kelpdiver wrote:

And if CS6 and LR are your focus, don't bother with an external card at all.  There are very few accelerated GPU functions in even CS6.  Don't believe any are in CS5.  Add the card when you have an actual need...they'll only get cheaper and faster.  Meanwhile you'll have a quieter system.

As for the 3-D menu / functions of Photoshop CS6 Extended. They don't work with the internal Intel processor GPU HD 4000. You need an extra graphic card for that. Also working with several tools, you do get advantage in speed using an external graphic card. Although not necessary to buy an expensive one. As by a test made by "Pudgetsystems", NVIDEA GTX 650 and AMD 7750 does a good job, if it comes to speed-up / budget. (Although no answer to the 30 bit color display question of the topic starter).

See test:  http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CS6-GPU-Acceleration-161/

You have to look at those functions and decide how often you actually use them.  And the answer for me is 'virtually never.'   Oil painting?  Tilt shift blur?  (I have an actual tilt shift lens for that)  Field Blur?

In the next major release, I'd expect to see a big jump in the number of functions that can be accelerated, and then the cost/benefit ratio may change substantially, but right now it's hard to see value add.

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Re: Win7 or 8... darn...
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Google 'Windows Blue'

I did and got none the wiser.

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Re: Know Win. 7 memory limits before buying
In reply to Central Fla, Mar 29, 2013

Thanks, good to know this!

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Re: Win7 or 8... darn...
In reply to Leon Obers, Mar 29, 2013

Thank you for this info. I will discuss it with a friend who will help me put together the new system.

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Tried a friend's brand new and fast Win8 machine today
In reply to Earthlight, Mar 29, 2013

I had a chance to try out my friend's brand new rig he got delivered this week. It has the same processor I have been contemplating but everything else is better/faster. I don't have the exact component list with me but it was a nearly 2000 Euro setup.

Well, it was fast. Like unbelievably fast to boot. And Lightroom was fast too, very responsive even with the kind of edits that make my current rig halt almost completely (say, dust busting a really dusty image shot at f22). We also learned that to max the processor load for Lightroom exports it pays to initiate several concurrent export tasks. My current rig shows 100% processor load even with a single export operation.

Win8 was confusing to me. I guess I could live with it if I had to but it seems really really counterintuitive. I tested it with and without the classic shell. Needless to say, the shell made it seem like a usable system. Based on that I might go for the latest OS as there are some reports that it is faster than Win7.

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Re: Win7 or 8... darn...
In reply to Earthlight, Mar 30, 2013

Earthlight wrote:

cr4guy wrote:

Google 'Windows Blue'

I did and got none the wiser.

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Re: New image editing rig - help please! 10 bit graphics etc...
In reply to Earthlight, Apr 1, 2013
Earthlight wrote:

Thanks glasswave!

I will carefully consider all the hardware pointers you gave me. Seeing I really have not got a faintest idea about the differences this is a good way to start googling about stuff.

One thing I have noticed is that the processor I have been considering only supports 32GB RAM. I might want to go 64 at some point but then again this probably would mean a much more expensive processor.

One point you touched on is particularly interesting:

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Go win 7 x64. It's a better desktop OS.

This is exactly how I feel too. But people seem to be getting into the 8 quite a bit these days. I wonder if I will miss out on something substantial. I have tried the new interface a few times at a store and really hated it.

To get a chipset that addresses 64gb, you'll need to go with an x79 mobo/chip. There is a decent chip for $300, but no quite as good as a 3770.

Quite frankly, it's doubtfull that you'll need over 16gb in a still image editor in the life of your machine, so if you don't do 3d or HD video then you'll be fine with x77.

The choice between win7 & 8 is trivial in nature, given your needs. If you want a good x79 build specs, review my post history. It was about $1400 for a 6 core chip w/32gb and 250GB ssd.

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Re: New image editing rig - help please! 10 bit graphics etc...
In reply to glasswave, Apr 2, 2013

Thanks glasswave!

Currently I have set my sights on a 32 GB rig and it will likely suffice. Will likely make the ourchase within two weeks.

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Re: Tried a friend's brand new and fast Win8 machine today
In reply to Earthlight, Apr 15, 2013

IMO, it's just about your willingness to try and get used to a new interface but otherwise, there is really nothing wrong with the Windows 8's interface. I use it and prefer it over the previous Windows any time now. It works well on desktop with keyboard/mouse for me. It does need some interface taking to your preference but that's all about it. Many people don't like it but I think only because they are too used to the old interface and don't like to see things changing. Just be patient and use it for some time (which varies depending on the person. Eventually, you will get used to it and become comfortable with it.

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