HS50 goes to the zoo

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Tim Trzcinski
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HS50 goes to the zoo
Mar 26, 2013

Conditions weren't ideal but the HS50 is so fast and easy to handle that it creates a lot of fun...

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In reply to Tim Trzcinski, Mar 26, 2013

Nice work! Good shots

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Hi,

Your shots show the benefits of getting close to your subjects however they appear quite noisy. I'm sure yoiu will enjoy your camera. Good luck.

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Would changing from -33 to 0 EV and dropping the ISO down produced better results?

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pretty nice series, yawning tiger is a real gem ... but ...
In reply to Tim Trzcinski, Mar 26, 2013

ISO is generally too high in the brighter light. No reason to shoot 200 ISO unless of course you shot L size at DR200 or DR400. The loss of acuity due to raised ISO is not worth the alleged gain is resolution with L size.

Or maybe it was just a mistake. Anyway, try to keep ISO at base if you can ... shot M size using my settings here ...

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Would changing from -33 to 0 EV and dropping the ISO down produced better results?

Dropping ISO always helps on these tiny sensors, unless the shutter drops too low for the subject  at wide open apertures. In this case, there appears to be room to drop shutter on a lot of the shots. And I think it was a problem to shoot them all at minimum 200 ISO.

The compensation, on the other hand, should be viewed as a method of reacting to the contrast in the scene, and the presence of patches of bright white. It never improves an image to blow out highlights, except in rare circumstances. So increasing over exposure has to be done with caution when the sun is out.

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Thanks for taking us to the zoo! very nice.

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These looks terrific Tim. Just reduce the noise a bit and resize them down to 80% + USM.

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Kim Letkeman wrote:

ISO is generally too high in the brighter light. No reason to shoot 200 ISO unless of course you shot L size at DR200 or DR400. The loss of acuity due to raised ISO is not worth the alleged gain is resolution with L size.

Or maybe it was just a mistake. Anyway, try to keep ISO at base if you can ... shot M size using my settings here ...

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LSize DR100 RAW then resize to 12MP will stomp MSize EXR crap anytime of the day.

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Would changing from -33 to 0 EV and dropping the ISO down produced better results?

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Dropping the ISO and using the histogram is an even better idea, only a plonker leaves the EV fixed at one point.

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Tim Trzcinski wrote:

Conditions weren't ideal but the HS50 is so fast and easy to handle that it creates a lot of fun...

These are the best images yet from the 50.  Good enough that they make cause some skeptics to rethink their dim views of the cam.

If the changes others suggest can improve such results, so much the better.  Regardless, I think these raise the bar to a new level.

Keep up the good work, Tim.

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Tim39 wrote:

These are the best images yet from the 50.  Good enough that they make cause some skeptics to rethink their dim views of the cam.

Are they?

Personally I think someone is shooting with the sharpness set too high. They look awful when you view them larger than what they are shown in the thread.

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Tim39 wrote:

Tim Trzcinski wrote:

Conditions weren't ideal but the HS50 is so fast and easy to handle that it creates a lot of fun...

These are the best images yet from the 50.  Good enough that they make cause some skeptics to rethink their dim views of the cam.

If the changes others suggest can improve such results, so much the better.  Regardless, I think these raise the bar to a new level.

Keep up the good work, Tim.

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Did not work with this skeptic. The bar is still lower then where it should be.

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LSize DR100 RAW then resize to 12MP will stomp MSize EXR crap anytime of the day.

Another opinion expressed in the format of a middle school debate between thugs.

I don't understand the point of the "resize to 12MP" step. L either stomps M full up at 16mp, or it doesn't. Are you purporting some magic in the reduction of resolution to 75%?

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Honestly, I dont understand this fascination with 12MP either- if you print only up to 7.5x10, you CANNOT get any more resolution past 7 MP on Canon and HP printers or past 10 MP on Epson or Lexmark printers.  The only reason to ever go past those resolution for 99.9% of us who never print larger than that is for cropping.  And I find 100 percent crops to be absolutely horrid on any of these pinhead sensors so zooming is far better than cropping.  I would even chose a teleconverter over cropping.

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Would changing from -33 to 0 EV and dropping the ISO down produced better results?

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In general probably yes but not with the image I singled out. Shutter speed was already quite low at 1/58 nearing (or at?) full zoom. That image interest me because it tends to be the maximum amount of light one would be afforded in a lightly treed area at full zoom when shooting birds with these small aperture superzooms. ISO 500 and higher is necessary. I don't see any hand shake in that image so he did well to hold it at 1/58. It is a pity you can see that amount of noise. It may be the amount of sharpening this picture has been given which tends to bring out the noise more than I would like.

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jcmarfilph wrote:

LSize DR100 RAW then resize to 12MP will stomp MSize EXR crap anytime of the day.

Another opinion expressed in the format of a middle school debate between thugs.

I don't understand the point of the "resize to 12MP" step. L either stomps M full up at 16mp, or it doesn't. Are you purporting some magic in the reduction of resolution to 75%?

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You don't shoot bird and do macro but just threads and crayons and sometimes pool area so this really doesn't make sense to you.

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Honestly, I dont understand this fascination with 12MP either- if you print only up to 7.5x10, you CANNOT get any more resolution past 7 MP on Canon and HP printers or past 10 MP on Epson or Lexmark printers.  The only reason to ever go past those resolution for 99.9% of us who never print larger than that is for cropping.  And I find 100 percent crops to be absolutely horrid on any of these pinhead sensors so zooming is far better than cropping.  I would even chose a teleconverter over cropping.

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Who said the you will print 100% crops of these pinhead sensor cams? If you shoot at 8MP of a distant subject and you do some cropping which is pretty common for birding and macro, you will end up with a 2MP picture which means you can only print it at 4x6 size and that is even gonna show horrendous detail.

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Honestly, I dont understand this fascination with 12MP either- if you print only up to 7.5x10, you CANNOT get any more resolution past 7 MP on Canon and HP printers or past 10 MP on Epson or Lexmark printers.  The only reason to ever go past those resolution for 99.9% of us who never print larger than that is for cropping.  And I find 100 percent crops to be absolutely horrid on any of these pinhead sensors so zooming is far better than cropping.  I would even chose a teleconverter over cropping.

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Thats not totally true.  Depends on which printer you are talking about.  I have a Canon Pixma Pro 9500II and it has a native resolution higher than 300 dpi (which is what I inferred from your  7MP picture at 7.5x10 in)

And for me native MP is key..  Since I print A3+ 95% of the time.

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alexisgreat wrote:

Honestly, I dont understand this fascination with 12MP either- if you print only up to 7.5x10, you CANNOT get any more resolution past 7 MP on Canon and HP printers or past 10 MP on Epson or Lexmark printers.  The only reason to ever go past those resolution for 99.9% of us who never print larger than that is for cropping.  And I find 100 percent crops to be absolutely horrid on any of these pinhead sensors so zooming is far better than cropping.  I would even chose a teleconverter over cropping.

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Thats not totally true.  Depends on which printer you are talking about.  I have a Canon Pixma Pro 9500II and it has a native resolution higher than 300 dpi (which is what I inferred from your  7MP picture at 7.5x10 in)

And for me native MP is key..  Since I print A3+ 95% of the time.

6MP is more than enough for an A3 print.

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