Where is my D400?!!!

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DaytonR
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Re: Where is my D400?!!!
In reply to Mikhail Bogdanov, Apr 9, 2013

I wouldnt hold my horses over the D400 ever coming out , Nikon has said several times the D7100 is the flagship DX camera , here are a few examples:

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/reviews/dslrs/129390/1/nikon-d7100-review

+" Significantly, Nikon Europe's presentation of the camera describes the D7100 as the company's 'flagship DX model', and omitted mention of the D300S in the company's DSLR lineup. Certainly, the gap between the D7100 and D600 now leaves little obvious room for a 'D400.' "

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-d7100/

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Re: Where is my D400?!!!
In reply to DaytonR, Apr 9, 2013

DaytonR wrote:

I wouldnt hold my horses over the D400 ever coming out , Nikon has said several times the D7100 is the flagship DX camera , here are a few examples:

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/reviews/dslrs/129390/1/nikon-d7100-review

+" Significantly, Nikon Europe's presentation of the camera describes the D7100 as the company's 'flagship DX model', and omitted mention of the D300S in the company's DSLR lineup. Certainly, the gap between the D7100 and D600 now leaves little obvious room for a 'D400.' "

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-d7100/

Nikon Japan has said that the D7100 is NOT the flagship DX camera so there's a data point the other direction.   In any case, anyone who says that a $900 difference between D7100 and D600 isn't enough room for another camera has no idea how Nikon marketing works.  There's lots of room in there for another camera.

Besides, the crippled buffer size of the D7100 (less than one second of RAW shots) should be an obvious enough clue that Nikon is protecting the space above the D7100 for something that works better for continuous shooting.

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Re: The D600 looks darn good...
In reply to jfriend00, Apr 9, 2013

jfriend00 wrote:

RonFrank wrote:

The D600 offers up a heck of a good value at the price point of the D300s.  If the D600 offered more speed it would totally beat out the D300s. As it is I would buy a D600 in a heartbeat if I wanted a new DSLR.  FF, 5.5fps, DX option for more reach (think birding), 100% view finder, HD movies, 900 shot battery, ISO 50-25,600, +++, whats not to like?

I honestly see no reason for Nikon to produce a $2000 DX body. All FF bodies can shoot in DX mode.  Sensors used to be very expensive as was memory.  That has changed.  Why bother with a DX sensor in a full sized DSLR.

The only reason for smaller sensors is smaller bodies.  Look for a mini-DSLR or hybrid to compete with the Sony NEX bodies and think beyond the conventional.  I want to see Nikon produce a NEX size body with the APS sized sensor, mirrorless, with PDAF like a DSLR!  That would be exciting!

Another post by someone who has no idea what it's like to shoot with a D300 (and by extension a D400 if Nikon makes one).  A D600 is simply nothing like a D300 and shooting with the two have very little in common.  The two cameras are very different and there is no way that a D600 is a replacement or upgrade to a D300 for someone who needs what the D300 is best at.

Also, just because a camera has a DX mode does not, in any way, mean it's an equal for a camera designed for that specific purpose.

If you want to read more about what a D400 might be like and what sets it apart, read Thom's latest article about what a D400 might be: http://www.bythom.com/.

If the D600 is everything you need, that's perfectly fine, but you might want to get a lot more educated about what the people still shooting with a D300 value in a camera before you go saying that the D600 is a perfect replacement and that there's no reason for Nikon to ever build another DX camera.  You're pretty far off base.

Also, lest you think FX sensors don't still cost a lot more than DX sensors, please explain the $1000 price difference between the D7100 and the D600.  The D7100 is a more advanced camera than the D600 in many ways except for the sensor (higher level AF, for example), yet it costs $1000 less.  Still think there's not much difference in sensor price?

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Mikhail Bogdanov
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heh... tongue in cheek approach never was too popular at DPR
In reply to Mikhail Bogdanov, Apr 9, 2013

OTOH, if Nikon would deliver a DX cam with ergonomics/performance/AF/buffer, etc., of D300(s) and "decent" sensor at ~$2000-25000 who would complain? I wouldn't... I would even buy one...

Cheers!

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Bill Dewey
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Re: The D600 looks darn good...As one who DOES know the D300 .....
In reply to jfriend00, Apr 10, 2013

and who now has a D600 to replace it, I think I can speak reliably on this.

First of all, is the D600 THE repalcement for the D300?  Absolutely not.  Where does it "beat" the D300, two places for me.

1. Higher Iso, no doubt about it.  How many stops?  Don't know I am too lazy to test, but I will tell you 6400 looks darned good.

2. AF - this was my big concern.  I purchased a D800 last summer, replacing my first D300, after testing the AF.  Frankly, the D800 AF just blew me away, and still does.  Not that the D300 is "bad" by any standard, but the D800 acquires much faster and holds focus better.  Not surprising to me at all with the time that has passed.  I was concerned about this with the D600, but could not pass up the "holiday" sale on the bundles, I figured I could easily sell the body if it didn't work out.  I was also worried that it would be like the D7000, with only the 39 AF poings.  But I am very pleasantly surprised.  It AF's almost as well as the D800, suffering a bit when the light is really low.  But it also focuses reliably, and quickly, at f8.

Where does the D600 fall short?  In my opinion FPS is the big one.  5.5 is nice, 8 would be better.  DX mode is "sufficient", just over 10mp on the D600, to suffice, but I prefer the just under 16mp of the D800.  My thinking is as follows:

1. In December I could still get decent money for my remaining D300

2. If the D400 shows up this year at about 24MP DX, with the new crop modes of the D7100 and 8fps, I will buy one and probably sell the D600

3. If the D400 never shows up, I will probably pick up a D7100 as a 3rd body.  Using 12 bit and managing your shots, the buffer is an annoyance, but not a show-stopper.

As to the "full metal body" and the lack of dedicated buttons, yeah, I know these really bother some folks, but I have no trouble working with both the D800 and D600, just as I had no problem in the past with a D200/D70, or D300/D200/D70.  If the AF is up to snuff, and from what I read about the D7100 with the 51 af points, that can't be "worse" than the AF in the D600.

Now, I will admit that I do miss the 8fps, or at least the sound of it, but so far I have been able to manage the lower frame rates and find that my keeper rate is as good as before, as some many more shots in a sequence are in focus.

As always, YMMV, these are, after all, just the ramblings of one old fellow who used a pair of D300's from day 1 until the end of 2012 for something around 120,000 images.

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Re: The D600 looks darn good...As one who DOES know the D300 .....
In reply to Bill Dewey, Apr 10, 2013

Bill Dewey wrote:

As always, YMMV, these are, after all, just the ramblings of one old fellow who used a pair of D300's from day 1 until the end of 2012 for something around 120,000 images.

Thanks for the ramblings, I am glad it worked for you

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heh... $25000 is a bit much
In reply to Mikhail Bogdanov, Apr 10, 2013

Mikhail Bogdanov wrote:

OTOH, if Nikon would deliver a DX cam with ergonomics/performance/AF/buffer, etc., of D300(s) and "decent" sensor at ~$2000-25000 who would complain? I wouldn't... I would even buy one...

$2000 OK. At 25000 I would complain!  Unless it had much more than a "decent" sensor. Maybe 30Mp with no noise?

Dan

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