Refillable cartridges for the Epson 4900

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Watty
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Refillable cartridges for the Epson 4900
Mar 21, 2013

Hi,

Has anyone tried the refillable cartridges from Marrutt for the 4900? They can be replaced as the originals run out and used alongside the originals without any noticeable change in the colour output. a chipsetter is used at each refill. I must say that I'm tempted. For more info - www.marrutt.com

I've sent for a free example print.

Thanks

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In reply to Watty, Mar 21, 2013

rather expensive on marrut...

I would try aliexpress.com for refillable cartriges bought mine for my pressious epson sp4000 theire too.

284 USD for a kit with empty refillable cartriges

about the "ink" you could stick to marrut or try

http://www.ebay.de/itm/1L-kompatible-Tinte-Epson-Stylus-Pro-4900-7700-7890-7900-9700-9890-9900-/330815351833?pt=Druckmaschinen&var=&hash=item7dc09417c1

94,50€ per Liter

marrut sells them for at LEAST 130€ per litre

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In reply to Serhat Abaci, Mar 21, 2013

Thanks Serhat. I'm going to see what their sample print looks like before I decide. I also have 3 unused cartridges to get through, which will take some time.

Cheers

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In reply to Watty, Mar 21, 2013

"I've sent for a free example print."

Tell us what it is like Watty. The one I got convinced me not to go the Marrutt route. I gave them the benefit of doubt as it was on their paper and I use Ilford.

When I sent them some of my paper to do a sample on they lost it.

You might be able to do better looking around a bit more!

I see you are based in Lancashire. Take a look at the ink system being marketed by the University. I chatted to their folk at Focus and they seemed to know their stuff. I am not sure if they do refillables for the 4900 - but the Image Alchemy site has the info.

Alex at InkExpress is well thought of on DPR. He even offered to make some refillables for my previous machine although his normal for that was CIS.

Tony

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I have tried HARD with my old precious Epson Stylus Photo R1800 (uses 6 Colors switches beetween matte and photo black PLUS has GLOB for glossy charaterization) only with OEM Cartriges.

Then I had a BIG custom order: scanning old medium format film and re-printig them on 13x19" Paper.

I printed one per Image with the first batch, total was 80 pictures...

then they reorderd nearlly 100 pictures...

Each OEM Cartriges for the R1800 contains 13ml Ink, with apporx 0,5~1ml left after the Ink is stated "empty" due to the chip. I payed 14,- € for each cartrige (GLOB was 8€ each). I spend over whooping 800€ for Ink only but sold everything for over 3000€ (scan job was included here as work too)

After this job the printer paid for himself BUT its a nasty thing seeing how easily you drain such a amount of cartiges within 5 hours printing. So I went to research and bought a Kit provided with refillable cartriges and Ink (100ml each color, 250ml GLOB) for about 150€ that would be like the price for 11 OEM cartriges BUT the inks total amount would count up to 53 cartriges (curious I didnt use the matte black... ) I had to tweak a little with the Epson Color Management since I didn't used and ICC Profiling by that time but the prints did look actually more vivid and fresh, like using a differnt type of negative film. AWESOME.

Time went by I did some professional profiling by mailing in my print to a service lab, after 2 work days I had 2 profiles for two differnt of paper that I used and my images started looking like professional photoprint. I orded another pack of refill inks this time 500ml each that dropped the price astronomically, bought another rarely used R1800 equiped it the same way to have twice the output speed when printing batch photo jobs, but this time it was more "proof" prints for Layouting and stuff then photography....

theses where just my two cents

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In reply to Watty, Mar 22, 2013

Watty wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone tried the refillable cartridges from Marrutt for the 4900? They can be replaced as the originals run out and used alongside the originals without any noticeable change in the colour output. a chipsetter is used at each refill. I must say that I'm tempted. For more info - www.marrutt.com

I've sent for a free example print.

Thanks

I have recently changed my 4800 over to Marrutt refillable carts and inks. I have unresolved problems.

First off I ordered my carts and ink in two batches. In one batch they erroneously sent Lyson inks which had to be replaced and the wrong ones collected. They also failed to send the little air filters that go on the carts, so I had to get them to correct that.

Up till starting to make the changeover the machine was fitted with all Epson ink except for the Magenta which was a Lyson non-refillable cart that came with the printer S/H. The machine was working well with minimal clogs and I was happy.

The first cart to change over was the yellow. Immediately the chip fell off the cart which was then not recognised. I managed to put the chip back on sufficiently well to get the cart recognised, complained to Marrutt who sent me a new yellow cart gratis.

After this change I started getting a lot more clogs across all the colours and, as I changed over more and more carts, it got worse with whole colours (as opposed to single nozzles) often mysteriously blocking up and clearing between cleanings, as many as 10 one after another (every test print wildly different), before getting all clear. I can't get the printer to go more than 2 days without having to do extensive cleaning and so far I reckon I have got through maybe 150ml+ or ink while making maybe 5 A4 prints!

There are two Epson carts remaining in the machine and those channels rarely get a clog. I have cleaned the flushing box, capping station, as much as I can get to of the wiper and sat the printer head over paper towels with Windex to no avail.

I don't know where to go now. Abandon the Marrutt inks and go back to all Epson OEM carts? That's a lot of money. Ditch the printer even though it is young in usage terms? Try someone else's carts and ink at great expense with the possible complication of needing to flush the system first (lord knows how)?

I'm really depressed about this. I was really pleased with my purchase when I got this printer but now I feel the whole thing is sabotaged and I don't know whether to blame Marrutt products or not. I may have to take it up the dump and depend on my 3800 despite it's expensive inks. Such a shame because it is a wonderful lump of technology and it *was* working just fine.

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In reply to xrdbear, Mar 22, 2013

What a horrid saga.

You say "I don't know where to go now. Abandon the Marrutt inks and go back to all Epson OEM carts? "

Did you read my message posted about two before yours?

The answers are there.

Tony

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TonyGamble wrote:

What a horrid saga.

You say "I don't know where to go now. Abandon the Marrutt inks and go back to all Epson OEM carts? "

Did you read my message posted about two before yours?

The answers are there.

Tony

I think the answers *may* be there. Neither company has an off the shelf solution on the website but I am contacting them with the problem. I think it unlikely they are going to make anything specially for me and my scale of usage but they may have something up their sleeves.

I am now reluctant to further mix inks in case mixing Marrutt with residual Epson was part of the problem.

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In reply to xrdbear, Mar 22, 2013

My guess is that your problem is with the cartridges.

Everyone (well nearly) swears by Cone around here.

I bought a set of Cone ink and a set of cartridges for my R2400. My experience was a chapter of disasters. A search would find the thread if you wanted to share my horrors - but I can't think you do. I had floods. I had blockages.

In the end I went back to OEM and the machine was as good as new.

Cone and I ended up by agreeing that my R2400 was simply too old and inadequately maintained. Not their fault of course but a total waste of money on my part.

Most (I dare not say all) refillable third party cartridges are attempts to copy the originals without infringing the patents. Read into that what you will - but if they did not work as well as the OEM ones it could be the reason.

Not much help to you I am afraid. Sorry.

Tony

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TonyGamble wrote:

My guess is that your problem is with the cartridges.

Everyone (well nearly) swears by Cone around here.

I bought a set of Cone ink and a set of cartridges for my R2400. My experience was a chapter of disasters. A search would find the thread if you wanted to share my horrors - but I can't think you do. I had floods. I had blockages.

In the end I went back to OEM and the machine was as good as new.

Cone and I ended up by agreeing that my R2400 was simply too old and inadequately maintained. Not their fault of course but a total waste of money on my part.

Most (I dare not say all) refillable third party cartridges are attempts to copy the originals without infringing the patents. Read into that what you will - but if they did not work as well as the OEM ones it could be the reason.

Not much help to you I am afraid. Sorry.

Tony

Thanks for that Tony, I was looking at the Cone system but when I factored in the delivery delays the taxes etc I rather got put off despite their undeniable reputation. It must be helpful to be part of a community where you can pool purchases and share experiences.

I've done my first Power Clean and expended a lot of ink. Everything was fine afterward and the next day there were no clogs. I was hoping that a routine that shifted a large amount of ink might make sure that there was no longer a mixture of ink in the head and get rid of any clumps or air inclusions that there might be there which would explain the intermittent loss of whole colour channels. I will see how this pans out over the next week or so but I'm not about to do another power clean. I might as well just set light to fivers!

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In reply to xrdbear, Mar 25, 2013

Thanks everyone for your input. I'll probably stay with the Epson cartridges. I did use refillables on my 3800 from http://www.advancedinkjetsystems.com/home-page.html and found they worked fine and integrated smoothly with the originals. Unfortunately they haven't introduced ones for the 4900 yet. I sold my 3800 with the refillables and got a very good feedback from the buyer.

I've had my 4900 for two years and managed to avoid any serious blockages so far. even though it can be two or three weeks between uses. I'm in a local photogroup and do the odd print for some members. I always keep the printer covered with a heavy plastic cover with a container of water underneath to keep up the humidity.

Thanks again

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In reply to Watty, Mar 25, 2013

Hi Watty,

I use an rather "old" Epson 4000 with refillable cartriges and Octopus K2 compatible pigmented inks. Even without any color management the output is 1:1 comparable with original cartriges.

Octopus Fluids Ink 1000ml 45€

Original Catriges OEM Epson 79€ 220ml (~equals 359€ per Litre)

Its 87% cheaper for me printing with the non OEM Option...

My printer is now running since 23:00 yesterday with a two hour gap inbeetween, i had to unpack A2 sheets and pour more ink into the cartriges light magenta and light cyan depletes fast. I am printing batch jobs with the printers, not that high standart photoqualtiy its takes TOO long to print.

If I would use the printer for occasional prints, photographs and stuff I would probably never changed to the refillable option but now working great. I am even using the cheapest paper aviable on the market, i dont want to plug it as advertise but you should see this

http://www.amazon.de/Blatt-LabelHeaven-Fotopapier-hochgl%C3%A4nzend-wasserfest/dp/B004SIQ8MY/ref=sr_1_2?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1363999761&sr=1-2

100 A2 Sheets glossy for ridiclously 22 € (~18.7 GBP / ~28.5 USD) I use this paper for prepress

presentations, exibition material and stuff. I dont realyl care if i miss print.  Only CHEAPER Solution

for me would be if you bought 36" roll papermedia and cut it myself into 17" pieces, even with the loss of material due cutlosses. but i dont want to manually cut paperrolls with a saw...

good source in uk for SP4900 Bulk ink

http://www.colourbest.co.uk/bulk-inks-for-epson-stylus-pro-4900-refillbulk-ink-systems-25-c.asp

Contact: Tony Laird - Colourbest
or Andy from sales@inkjetrevolution.com ebay shop 2005imports

After I switch to "bulk" ink I really didn't care all about experementing with different settings and papers. they say with the 11 Ink HDR System that a A4 fullbleed page (its a 1/16 of a square meter 623,70 cm²) uses 1,1 to 1,5ml Ink. Lets say a bulk ink cost 100€ per Litre, thats 10 €-cent per Militire and about 15 Cent for a Page A4, 30 for A3, 60Cent  for A2.
Epson 4900 OEM inks however contain 200ml for 77€ per cartrige equals 385 € per litre 38,5 €-cent per Mililitre. A4 Page appirx 57 Cent... now 15 Cent BULK INK VS. 57 Cent OEM INK Thats an essantial saving over whooping 70% in ink cost. Now with a high duty output like mine (over 250 A2 sheets in a week and 2000 A4 sheets) thats a big saving.

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In reply to Serhat Abaci, Mar 25, 2013

Sorry to hear about your problems with the R4900.

I bought my R3000 in Nov of 2012, its my first 13" or larger printer.  Its small 26ml cartridges (in comparison to larger machines :-)) seemed to drain pretty quickly with the number of prints i was doing, so i converted each original cartridge to Cone refillable ones as they ran out of ink.  I'm now about halfway through my replacement Cone ink supply of 110mil bottles.  I paid $600 for my printer in November, and that cost will be completely paid back by savings from Cone Inks over using OEM by about June 2013.  At that time, i can throw away my perfectly working R3000 and buy a new one - who needs insurance policies.  JUST KIDDING.

I've had no plugging problems except once where i apparently caused the problem.  I had the wrong paper thickness setting, resulting in 3 papers being pulled into the printer, headstrikes and apparently some pooled ink on the bottom of the print head.  Had some plugging from that and again every day that i printed.   Finally learned how to clean the print head face by using bounty towels and windex and am now back to one week usage with no plugging problems.

I understand that the 4900 is a more ticklish printer than my situation and don't know how to advise you - just saying 3rd party inks aren't all bad.

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