D7100 HDR mode: Only 2 shots, not 3?

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D7100 HDR mode: Only 2 shots, not 3?
Mar 15, 2013

Thanks to Slayerizer for posting a link to the user manual.  Canon's G12 has a scene mode called HDR, where everything is automatic: Click the shutter, camera takes 3 shots (normal, underexposed, & overexposed), and combines them.  Requirement is that camera MUST be on a tripod or locked down in some other way.

Only 2 photos?  How do the results compare to other cameras that take 2 shots?

Nikon didn't mention anything about a tripod, so does the HDR mode align the 2 photos?

Know that it's early, and someone buying this type of camera is more interested in the PASM modes, but I'm still curious.

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I've read of people complaining about ghosting in HDR mode, so the camera most likely doesn't auto align the images.  Tripod is a must.

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I've read of people complaining about ghosting in HDR mode, so the camera most likely doesn't auto align the images. Tripod is a must.

Take it that you are not talking about ghosting from a gaggle of geese taking an stroll?

For such an expensive camera, seems like Nikon did a poor job on the HDR mode (on paper).  At least its AEB supports 5 brackets.

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nkistrup wrote:

Thanks to Slayerizer for posting a link to the user manual. Canon's G12 has a scene mode called HDR, where everything is automatic: Click the shutter, camera takes 3 shots (normal, underexposed, & overexposed), and combines them. Requirement is that camera MUST be on a tripod or locked down in some other way.

Only 2 photos? How do the results compare to other cameras that take 2 shots?

Nikon didn't mention anything about a tripod, so does the HDR mode align the 2 photos?

Know that it's early, and someone buying this type of camera is more interested in the PASM modes, but I'm still curious.

I tested this feature today.  It definitely doesn't auto align the pictures when it processes them.  You have to have a tripod or something stable to support the camera while it takes the shots or it will ghost.

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In reply to nkistrup, Mar 16, 2013

nkistrup wrote:

BlueBomberTurbo wrote:

I've read of people complaining about ghosting in HDR mode, so the camera most likely doesn't auto align the images. Tripod is a must.

Take it that you are not talking about ghosting from a gaggle of geese taking an stroll?

For such an expensive camera, seems like Nikon did a poor job on the HDR mode (on paper). At least its AEB supports 5 brackets.

It's more a marketing gimmick like the B&W mode. You wouldn't actually use it for real HDR work. You have to add it though or certain folks would get really upset.

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Thanks Snapshotx7,

How did the images look, using only 2 shots?  Have you tried the AEB yet?

Take your time replying.  From what I read in the manual, there are plenty of things that you probably want to test out.  Enjoy your new toy! 

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nkistrup wrote:

Thanks Snapshotx7,

How did the images look, using only 2 shots? Have you tried the AEB yet?

Take your time replying. From what I read in the manual, there are plenty of things that you probably want to test out. Enjoy your new toy!

The images I took were terrible.  I didn't have a tripod and it was incredibly windy outside when I was testing it.  I spent all the money on the body and lenses so I don't have a real tripod setup to test it out any further.  I'm sure others will post their results.

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Sony's HDR mode in the NEX series is pretty good. Takes & aligns 3 shots. It seem strange that Nikon would not implement this properly.

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Mako2011 wrote:

nkistrup wrote:

BlueBomberTurbo wrote:

I've read of people complaining about ghosting in HDR mode, so the camera most likely doesn't auto align the images. Tripod is a must.

Take it that you are not talking about ghosting from a gaggle of geese taking an stroll?

For such an expensive camera, seems like Nikon did a poor job on the HDR mode (on paper). At least its AEB supports 5 brackets.

It's more a marketing gimmick like the B&W mode. You wouldn't actually use it for real HDR work. You have to add it though or certain folks would get really upset.

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It's kind of the thing people use on their phone camera and anyone whose is carrying a tripod for there HDR work isn't going to be using this.

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WalkaboutSean wrote:

Sony's HDR mode in the NEX series is pretty good. Takes & aligns 3 shots. It seem strange that Nikon would not implement this properly.

Same with canon 3 shots and aligns it for you, also it keeps the 3 RAW files for you.

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In the UK and the Netherlands there´s this awesome thing called carboot markets/rommelmarkten... meaning a flea market where people sell their junk for nothing... I recently got myself a decent tripod for €5. Given that it´s not damaged (which you need to pay a little attention to) it´s a fab way to get what you need.

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I'm just a beginner but will try to help until someone else... My opinion, no you should not need a tripod for the built in HDR. Ya you do have to try to take little better shots and steady. I think HDR processing in any camera isn't true HDR. Why I almost think 2 shots with built in HDR is better than 3. Try changing the HDR settings in the camera like (Strength). The built in HDR is most effective when using Matrix Metering. Like someone else said the built in HDR processing is more of a gimik. The d7100 can take 5 AEB photos at once and if setup right, even more. I would try using bracketing for real HDR photos and take 3 or 5 shots at different exposures. You should find this in the user manual or download the D7100 Manual PDF. You wlil need a tripod for this. Then use PS or HDRi software like Photo-matrix to merge the files.  To say that Nikon did not implement this properly is little silly.

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In reply to eljormazd, Mar 16, 2013

We have a hospital auxiliary shop that sells items dropped off there. I picked up a very sturdy SLIK tripod without a head for 10.00 and then got a panoramic head from China for 30.00. Now I have a nice rig.It pays to shop around

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MoBaXoR wrote:

I'm just a beginner but will try to help until someone else... My opinion, no you should not need a tripod for the built in HDR. Ya you do have to try to take little better shots and steady. I think HDR processing in any camera isn't true HDR. Why I almost think 2 shots with built in HDR is better than 3. Try changing the HDR settings in the camera like (Strength). The built in HDR is most effective when using Matrix Metering. Like someone else said the built in HDR processing is more of a gimik. The d7100 can take 5 AEB photos at once and if setup right, even more. I would try using bracketing for real HDR photos and take 3 or 5 shots at different exposures. You should find this in the user manual or download the D7100 Manual PDF. You wlil need a tripod for this. Then use PS or HDRi software like Photo-matrix to merge the files. To say that Nikon did not implement this properly is little silly.

  1. Agreed that built-in HDR is a gimick, so other scene modes, but it was one that got me interested in AEB, in my P&S camera.
  2. Again agreed if you are serious about HDR, use the AEB which is above average in the D7100, and then use software to merge.  Know that a monopod is enough with my P&S, but a DSLR may need a tripod ... no worse than the camera's built-in HDR.
  3. Looked at the manual & it didn't say anything about a tripod being required for HDR; Canon's G12 manual did.

Conclusion: HDR mode bad, AEB good.

One unknown, based on what I understand about DSLRs: DSLRs have better DR than even the best P&S cameras, therefore I could find situations where AEB is not needed with a DSLR, but a P&S would need it.  True or False?

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nkistrup wrote:

MoBaXoR wrote:

I'm just a beginner but will try to help until someone else... My opinion, no you should not need a tripod for the built in HDR. Ya you do have to try to take little better shots and steady. I think HDR processing in any camera isn't true HDR. Why I almost think 2 shots with built in HDR is better than 3. Try changing the HDR settings in the camera like (Strength). The built in HDR is most effective when using Matrix Metering. Like someone else said the built in HDR processing is more of a gimik. The d7100 can take 5 AEB photos at once and if setup right, even more. I would try using bracketing for real HDR photos and take 3 or 5 shots at different exposures. You should find this in the user manual or download the D7100 Manual PDF. You wlil need a tripod for this. Then use PS or HDRi software like Photo-matrix to merge the files. To say that Nikon did not implement this properly is little silly.

  1. Agreed that built-in HDR is a gimick, so other scene modes, but it was one that got me interested in AEB, in my P&S camera.
  2. Again agreed if you are serious about HDR, use the AEB which is above average in the D7100, and then use software to merge. Know that a monopod is enough with my P&S, but a DSLR may need a tripod ... no worse than the camera's built-in HDR.
  3. Looked at the manual & it didn't say anything about a tripod being required for HDR; Canon's G12 manual did.

Conclusion: HDR mode bad, AEB good.

One unknown, based on what I understand about DSLRs: DSLRs have better DR than even the best P&S cameras, therefore I could find situations where AEB is not needed with a DSLR, but a P&S would need it. True or False?

That is false what you are saying, HDR in camera is very useful in some situations, here is one RAW file out of camera and one 3 shot in camera HDR -3 0 +3 mode used Vivid HDR,

1, RAW file

2,HDR in Camera

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SpartanWarrior wrote:

nkistrup wrote:

MoBaXoR wrote:

I'm just a beginner but will try to help until someone else... My opinion, no you should not need a tripod for the built in HDR. Ya you do have to try to take little better shots and steady. I think HDR processing in any camera isn't true HDR. Why I almost think 2 shots with built in HDR is better than 3. Try changing the HDR settings in the camera like (Strength). The built in HDR is most effective when using Matrix Metering. Like someone else said the built in HDR processing is more of a gimik. The d7100 can take 5 AEB photos at once and if setup right, even more. I would try using bracketing for real HDR photos and take 3 or 5 shots at different exposures. You should find this in the user manual or download the D7100 Manual PDF. You wlil need a tripod for this. Then use PS or HDRi software like Photo-matrix to merge the files. To say that Nikon did not implement this properly is little silly.

  1. Agreed that built-in HDR is a gimick, so other scene modes, but it was one that got me interested in AEB, in my P&S camera.
  2. Again agreed if you are serious about HDR, use the AEB which is above average in the D7100, and then use software to merge. Know that a monopod is enough with my P&S, but a DSLR may need a tripod ... no worse than the camera's built-in HDR.
  3. Looked at the manual & it didn't say anything about a tripod being required for HDR; Canon's G12 manual did.

Conclusion: HDR mode bad, AEB good.

One unknown, based on what I understand about DSLRs: DSLRs have better DR than even the best P&S cameras, therefore I could find situations where AEB is not needed with a DSLR, but a P&S would need it. True or False?

That is false what you are saying, HDR in camera is very useful in some situations, here is one RAW file out of camera and one 3 shot in camera HDR -3 0 +3 mode used Vivid HDR,

1, RAW file

2,HDR in Camera

Holy god, that 2nd one is horrid!  But even the 1st one looks WAY over-processed/over-sharpened.

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nfpotter wrote:

SpartanWarrior wrote:

nkistrup wrote:

MoBaXoR wrote:

I'm just a beginner but will try to help until someone else... My opinion, no you should not need a tripod for the built in HDR. Ya you do have to try to take little better shots and steady. I think HDR processing in any camera isn't true HDR. Why I almost think 2 shots with built in HDR is better than 3. Try changing the HDR settings in the camera like (Strength). The built in HDR is most effective when using Matrix Metering. Like someone else said the built in HDR processing is more of a gimik. The d7100 can take 5 AEB photos at once and if setup right, even more. I would try using bracketing for real HDR photos and take 3 or 5 shots at different exposures. You should find this in the user manual or download the D7100 Manual PDF. You wlil need a tripod for this. Then use PS or HDRi software like Photo-matrix to merge the files. To say that Nikon did not implement this properly is little silly.

  1. Agreed that built-in HDR is a gimick, so other scene modes, but it was one that got me interested in AEB, in my P&S camera.
  2. Again agreed if you are serious about HDR, use the AEB which is above average in the D7100, and then use software to merge. Know that a monopod is enough with my P&S, but a DSLR may need a tripod ... no worse than the camera's built-in HDR.
  3. Looked at the manual & it didn't say anything about a tripod being required for HDR; Canon's G12 manual did.

Conclusion: HDR mode bad, AEB good.

One unknown, based on what I understand about DSLRs: DSLRs have better DR than even the best P&S cameras, therefore I could find situations where AEB is not needed with a DSLR, but a P&S would need it. True or False?

That is false what you are saying, HDR in camera is very useful in some situations, here is one RAW file out of camera and one 3 shot in camera HDR -3 0 +3 mode used Vivid HDR,

1, RAW file

2,HDR in Camera

Holy god, that 2nd one is horrid! But even the 1st one looks WAY over-processed/over-sharpened.

Just was testing the HDR in Camera, and both out of camera so I don't know what your talking about "to sharpened lol"

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Do your HDR properly, in post.  The results will be MUCH better.

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nfpotter wrote:

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2,HDR in Camera


Have to agree with Potter man on this one. Very strange looking in camera result. Almost like taking a paint filter from Photoshop to it. Very animation like. Interesting scene though and I appreciate you sharing it

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WalkaboutSean wrote:

Sony's HDR mode in the NEX series is pretty good. Takes & aligns 3 shots. It seem strange that Nikon would not implement this properly.

I seems strange that nikon would bother with this jpeg cr@p at all on a body like this.

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