Why is Zeiss creating a 32/1.8 when there's already a sony one?

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dpyy
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Why is Zeiss creating a 32/1.8 when there's already a sony one?
Mar 6, 2013

I'm not sure I understand. I thought everyone loved the E35, so why are we duplicating lens at this time when we desperately needed more choices?

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So I wounder if sony will bring out a 24mm

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It makes absolutely no sense to me. Zeiss is also making this for Fuji X-mount, but they have a 35/1.4 already that is an excellent lens. I guess they think people will buy it just because it's a Zeiss.

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daddyman wrote:

It makes absolutely no sense to me. Zeiss is also making this for Fuji X-mount, but they have a 35/1.4 already that is an excellent lens. I guess they think people will buy it just because it's a Zeiss.

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For 4x the price?

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In reply to dpyy, Mar 6, 2013

That's a good question but remember one thing: Zeiss doesn't make the "Zeiss" lenses for Sony cameras.

Sony makes the Zeiss branded lenses for Sony cameras.

According to Sony & Zeiss these lenses are built to Zeiss specifications (whatever that means) but they aren't made by Zeiss.

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$450 vs $1000 for the Zeiss.

We won't know the IQ till after its out, we can expect it to be at least as good as SEL35 but probably without OSS. Zeiss has always been the expensive competition. Some of their lenses will just not be worth the price increase though...SEL35 is really great enough..

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In reply to dpyy, Mar 6, 2013

The 35mm is definitely a good lens, especially for the price, size, and OSS. However, I don't think it's ever a bad thing to have third party manufacturers to add some competition and provide more options to Sony native lenses. With Sigma and Zeiss, Sony will have 12, 16, 19, 20, 24, 30, 32, 35, etc covered. If I didn't have the 24mm already, I will likely make 32mm my go-to lens. I'd rather be in the slightly wider side of 50mm FOV.

As far as I understand, the existing Sony Carl Zeiss 24mm is a Sony-manufactured lens that borrowed Zeiss design and QC. The upcoming Zeiss lenses are Zeiss designed and manufactured. This is to say, Zeiss is independent of Sony with these lenses and can do whatever they want.

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Ed B wrote:

That's a good question but remember one thing: Zeiss doesn't make the "Zeiss" lenses for Sony cameras.

Sony makes the Zeiss branded lenses for Sony cameras.

According to Sony & Zeiss these lenses are built to Zeiss specifications (whatever that means) but they aren't made by Zeiss.

You are right that his is the case for lenses like the 24mm 1.8 for NEX or all the ZA lenses for Sony alpha. But these new lenses are different, they are not being released by Sony, they are going to be released by Zeiss themselves and they target both Sony and Fuji X system. These are not Sony lenses.

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I think some (rich) people want the best IQ they can buy and they want all their lenses have the same"feel"to the picture (color rendering, micro contrast etc). So when Zeiss can give that, they will buy it.

And remember Zeiss is not after larfge numbers of sail, they are after high quality...(that is why they don't put OSS in their lenses as it may have bad influence on the IQ....

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I think some (rich) people want the best IQ they can buy and they want all their lenses have the same"feel"to the picture (color rendering, micro contrast etc). So when Zeiss can give that, they will buy it.

And remember Zeiss is not after larfge numbers of sail, they are after high quality...(that is why they don't put OSS in their lenses as it may have bad influence on the IQ....

How much better IQ can you realistically expect from E35 without OSS?

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random78 wrote:

Ed B wrote:

That's a good question but remember one thing: Zeiss doesn't make the "Zeiss" lenses for Sony cameras.

Sony makes the Zeiss branded lenses for Sony cameras.

According to Sony & Zeiss these lenses are built to Zeiss specifications (whatever that means) but they aren't made by Zeiss.

You are right that his is the case for lenses like the 24mm 1.8 for NEX or all the ZA lenses for Sony alpha. But these new lenses are different, they are not being released by Sony, they are going to be released by Zeiss themselves and they target both Sony and Fuji X system. These are not Sony lenses.

Then I stand corrected. Thank You.

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dpyy wrote:

I think some (rich) people want the best IQ they can buy and they want all their lenses have the same"feel"to the picture (color rendering, micro contrast etc). So when Zeiss can give that, they will buy it.

And remember Zeiss is not after larfge numbers of sail, they are after high quality...(that is why they don't put OSS in their lenses as it may have bad influence on the IQ....

How much better IQ can you realistically expect from E35 without OSS?

A lot, it all depends on the sensor, the aperture, the distance to subject, the subject itself, the photog.

Zeiss is known for ultra-sharpness, and probably closest to Leica lens' renderings.

The Zeiss formula has held up over time.



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Got a question how do OSS affect the IQ?

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To come at it from a slightly different angle, I'm actually glad Zeiss isn't breaking new ground in the E-mount lineup with these lenses. Because it would be "redundant" there isn't an affordable large aperture 24mm lens that competes with the Sony-Zeiss which is really frustrating if you don't have over a thousand dollars to drop on a single lens. I'm glad the premium options are there, but I really can't afford them. All these new lenses have reasonably priced alternatives already within the NEX system.

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dpyy wrote:

I think some (rich) people want the best IQ they can buy and they want all their lenses have the same"feel"to the picture (color rendering, micro contrast etc). So when Zeiss can give that, they will buy it.

And remember Zeiss is not after larfge numbers of sail, they are after high quality...(that is why they don't put OSS in their lenses as it may have bad influence on the IQ....

How much better IQ can you realistically expect from E35 without OSS?

If it is anything like the Zeiss 2/35 on the RX1 that does not have IS, it will be amazing with both color and sharpness, including corner to corner at the widest aperture.

See what DXO says.

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Are the Zeiss E-mounts designed for full frame or APS-C?

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SQLGuy wrote:

Are the Zeiss E-mounts designed for full frame or APS-C?

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It's e mount, I'm not sure why is that even a question? Unless you are implying FF NEX?

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Well I know it sounds silly, but that 3mm difference does make a...well, difference. I like the Sigma 30/2.8's FoV better than the E35's, so I'll probably like 32mm better as well. Also, we can reasonably expect better sharpness and microcontrast from the Zeiss, which will make it worth the extra money for some people.

I'd never drop that much on a 50mm equivalent, so it doesn't appeal to me, but I can definitely see the point of it. I really wish Sigma would make a 28-30mm f/1.4 lens, though!

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There was a rumour going around a few months ago that to maintain compatibility with the in-the-works FF NEX these lenses had been re-tooled to cover full frame. This has been debunked and the story these days is that Zeiss is working on three new full-frame primes for June 2014 for the full-frame NEX.

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blue_skies wrote:

dpyy wrote:

I think some (rich) people want the best IQ they can buy and they want all their lenses have the same"feel"to the picture (color rendering, micro contrast etc). So when Zeiss can give that, they will buy it.

And remember Zeiss is not after larfge numbers of sail, they are after high quality...(that is why they don't put OSS in their lenses as it may have bad influence on the IQ....

How much better IQ can you realistically expect from E35 without OSS?

A lot, it all depends on the sensor, the aperture, the distance to subject, the subject itself, the photog.

Zeiss is known for ultra-sharpness, and probably closest to Leica lens' renderings.

The Zeiss formula has held up over time.



13 lenses covering 28mm to 35mm

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Why do you have so much lens duplication?

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