MX-1 — World's best value compact (video review)

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MX-1 — World's best value compact

MX-1 — New video review and a comparison with RX100.

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Wrong Comparison. The MX-1 Given Its Size, Weight and Price Should Be Compared To the Canon G 15
In reply to Zvonimir Tosic, Feb 27, 2013

Nikon P 7700,  Panasonic LX .

To put the non pocketable larger sensor Sony RX 100 I against a camera that is not pocketable and has a much smaller sensor is comparing two cameras that do not compete.

Silly comparison. Wrong comparison.

All of the cameras that do compete have a hot shoe Etc...

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Re: Wrong Comparison. The MX-1 Given Its Size, Weight and Price Should Be Compared To the Canon G 15
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jimr wrote:

Nikon P 7700, Panasonic LX .

To put the non pocketable larger sensor Sony RX 100 I against a camera that is not pocketable and has a much smaller sensor is comparing two cameras that do not compete.

Silly comparison. Wrong comparison.

Blunty's MX-1 video review isn't doing a straight one-on-one comparison with the RX100 but since ANY compact review has to answer the question "why should I buy this over an RX100", he attempts to show exactly why there are compelling reasons to prefer an MX-1.

And having owned the RX100, I happen to agree with him 100%.

All of the cameras that do compete have a hot shoe Etc...

I keep reading people talk about hot-shoes on compacts, but I have yet to find a photographer who spends a lot of time mounting a full-sized SB800 or YN-565 on a compact.  That's what we have DSLRs for.  Compacts are usually meant to be, well, compact shooters for photography on the go.

And you keep talking up the G15, and LX7, neither of which have the killer feature that the MX-1 DOES have:  an articulated LCD.  That feature alone, coupled with the MX-1's better detail and sharpness as you increase ISOs vs the G15, is enough to make the MX-1 a much more compelling camera in my view.  The Canon G-series cameras have been much loved over the years in part because they featured an articulated LCD.  So when Canon removed it from the G15, it was a step backwards, IMHO.

The usefulness of an articulated LCD cannot be overstated as it's a terrific tool for getting unusual angles and creative compositions without having to physically get down on the ground.   The hot-shoe may matter for some, but even then, it's not something that you'd use day in and day out like the LCD.

Aside from the RX100, and strictly on IQ, the Nikon P7700 may be the class of the bunch (see DxOMark review and tests) is tough to beat but as and all-around shooter I'd have to give strong advantage to the MX-1 for the LCD, way cool retro design, and fantastic Quick Menu (similar to the K-30, K-5 and Q).

Extremely well done review. Entertaining and informative.

Regards and happy shooting, Markus

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Re: Wrong Comparison. The MX-1 Given Its Size, Weight and Price Should Be Compared To the Canon G 15
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jimr wrote:

Nikon P 7700, Panasonic LX .

To put the non pocketable larger sensor Sony RX 100 I against a camera that is not pocketable and has a much smaller sensor is comparing two cameras that do not compete.

Silly comparison. Wrong comparison.

All of the cameras that do compete have a hot shoe Etc...

You do rather repeat yourself and seem to make a point of posting against the MX-1 at every opportunity. If a hot shoe is so important why such great interest in the MX-1? I reckon you want one more than you dare admit. Methinks you protest too much.

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Re: Wrong Comparison. The MX-1 Given Its Size, Weight and Price Should Be Compared To the Canon G 15
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marike6 wrote:

jimr wrote:

Nikon P 7700, Panasonic LX .

To put the non pocketable larger sensor Sony RX 100 I against a camera that is not pocketable and has a much smaller sensor is comparing two cameras that do not compete.

Silly comparison. Wrong comparison.

Blunty's MX-1 video review isn't doing a straight one-on-one comparison with the RX100 but since ANY compact review has to answer the question "why should I buy this over an RX100", he attempts to show exactly why there are compelling reasons to prefer an MX-1.

And having owned the RX100, I happen to agree with him 100%.

All of the cameras that do compete have a hot shoe Etc...

I keep reading people talk about hot-shoes on compacts, but I have yet to find a photographer who spends a lot of time mounting a full-sized SB800 or YN-565 on a compact. That's what we have DSLRs for. Compacts are usually meant to be, well, compact shooters for photography on the go.

I don't think it will matter to most, and you are right, there is no reason to mount a full size flash on one.

The reason you want a hot shoe on a compact is so you can put a wireless trigger on it and use it to fire studio strobes. In situations where you can control the light it is sometimes hard to tell the difference between an image from a compact and one from an SLR. The larger sensor image will likely be better, but this is a point where the compact might be good enough.

This image was taken with my Q and 8.5mm f/1.9, at 1.9 with Cactus V2 wireless trigger and Alien Bees B400 strobe and beauty dish with the sock on it. It is resized down, but even at the pixel level quite sharp. I couldn't easily get this shot with the MX1 because it has no hot shoe.  I also had the ND filter on, even at minimum power on the flash, ISO 125, the flash was too powerful at f/1.9.  It was perfect with the ND filter built into the lens.

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No flash hot-shoe on MX1!?!?
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I don't understand why...

Fortunately there is one on the Q!

P-ttl even works better than on the K5 in diffused & bounced mode!

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Without Comparing To The Real Competition How Can He Say.." Worlds Best Value Compact?"
In reply to miles green, Feb 27, 2013

So he compares to a different size and sensor class camera and avoids all of the the real competition and concludes....."Best Value Compact". Yup.... :}

So value he determined by the following untrue statement...

At 16:53 he says "$800 vs. $400"....What? At that price difference slam dunk ...comparing those two I understand.

But the RX 100 is not twice the price of the MX-1. Check...

How about comparing the price of the LX 7 at $299 et.al...?

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miles green wrote:

I don't understand why...

Fortunately there is one on the Q!

P-ttl even works better than on the K5 in diffused & bounced mode!

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Lol, great shot.  That gave me a good laugh.  That is how NOT to use a hot shoe on a compact.  It would probably be easier to support the camera by holding the flash

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Re: Without Comparing To The Real Competition How Can He Say.." Worlds Best Value Compact?"
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jimr wrote:

So he compares to a different size and sensor class camera and avoids all of the the real competition and concludes....."Best Value Compact". Yup.... :}

So value he determined by the following untrue statement...

At 16:53 he says "$800 vs. $400"....What? At that price difference slam dunk ...comparing those two I understand.

But the RX 100 is not twice the price of the MX-1. Check...

How about comparing the price of the LX 7 at $299 et.al...?

I guess those are the prices down under?

The "class" is hard to define... Classic look, dslr-like button layout, tilting screen, fast 4x zoom, macro mode, the sensor size, fits in a jacket pocket, and brass plates and price bracket... Nothing else has exactly the same features. It comes down to a question of taste really...

But the lack of hot shoe on a p&s is really a non issue for my taste. The LX7 looks like a nice camera. It has a hot-shoe and optional evf, but loses the tiltable screen and the "classic" brass plates. The RX100 has a bigger higher resolution sensor but also a much slower lens... It's a question of taste...

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miles green wrote:

I don't understand why...

Fortunately there is one on the Q!

P-ttl even works better than on the K5 in diffused & bounced mode!

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Lol, great shot. That gave me a good laugh. That is how NOT to use a hot shoe on a compact. It would probably be easier to support the camera by holding the flash

Indeed it was, lol!

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Lol, great shot. That gave me a good laugh. That is how NOT to use a hot shoe on a compact. It would probably be easier to support the camera by holding the flash

Yeah, but what the hell.  Sometimes you just have to do it - because you can!

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marike6 wrote:

jimr wrote:

Nikon P 7700, Panasonic LX .

To put the non pocketable larger sensor Sony RX 100 I against a camera that is not pocketable and has a much smaller sensor is comparing two cameras that do not compete.

Silly comparison. Wrong comparison.

Blunty's MX-1 video review isn't doing a straight one-on-one comparison with the RX100 but since ANY compact review has to answer the question "why should I buy this over an RX100", he attempts to show exactly why there are compelling reasons to prefer an MX-1.

And having owned the RX100, I happen to agree with him 100%.

All of the cameras that do compete have a hot shoe Etc...

I keep reading people talk about hot-shoes on compacts, but I have yet to find a photographer who spends a lot of time mounting a full-sized SB800 or YN-565 on a compact. That's what we have DSLRs for. Compacts are usually meant to be, well, compact shooters for photography on the go.

I don't think it will matter to most, and you are right, there is no reason to mount a full size flash on one.

The reason you want a hot shoe on a compact is so you can put a wireless trigger on it and use it to fire studio strobes. In situations where you can control the light it is sometimes hard to tell the difference between an image from a compact and one from an SLR. The larger sensor image will likely be better, but this is a point where the compact might be good enough.

I totally agree with you Eric, and your point about wireless triggers is a good one.  But you touched on another point in your last sensor and since I'm assuming most people own a DSLR or larger sensor mirrorless, so my feeling why would someone choose to do a studio session with the compact?

I certainly can think of valid uses for a hot-shoe on a compact, wireless triggers, a shotgun mic for video, or even a small strobe.  My point about a compact is that many people use these cameras not as replacements for DSLRs for studio work, but a highly portable street shooters, or for travel photography.

This image was taken with my Q and 8.5mm f/1.9, at 1.9 with Cactus V2 wireless trigger and Alien Bees B400 strobe and beauty dish with the sock on it. It is resized down, but even at the pixel level quite sharp. I couldn't easily get this shot with the MX1 because it has no hot shoe. I also had the ND filter on, even at minimum power on the flash, ISO 125, the flash was too powerful at f/1.9. It was perfect with the ND filter built into the lens.

That is a lovely shot, but I suppose a determined MX-1 user could just fire the flashes with a optical slave using the on camera flash, provided the pre-flash doesn't mess things up.  But obviously your way is a lot easier and efficient.  I suppose if the OP thinks he wants to use one of these compacts in this way, a hot-shoe is a requirement.

By the way, the MX-1 has a built-in ND filter just like the Q, and a whopping 1/8000 max shutter speed.  It's clear from Blunty's review that the MX-1 has much of the same built-in fun that the K-30 and Q have.  I'm a big fan of the quick settings menu something I miss very much about my K-30 who is no longer with me.  

Anyway, great lighting in your image.  I really do have to invest in a beauty dish.  Nice job, good post.

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Re: MX-1 — World's best value compact (video review)
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Great video review - thanks for posting!

I cannot comment on the other cameras but as a MX-1 owner, I completely agree with him -- just need more time with my new friend

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