For those who have FF DSLR AND m43 and love street photography

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flashdiet
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For those who have FF DSLR AND m43 and love street photography
Feb 25, 2013

I own a micro four thirds system that I've been using since Christmas. I have the omd, panasonic 14mm, Olympus 17mm, and olympus 75mm. I bought all of this new for $2200 through strategic rebate/deal hunting, all from authorized dealers. Took a lot of time but I saved $400 and I'm pretty proud of the deals I got. But I miss my canon 5d.

I am thinking of going with used Nikon D600 and keeping it simple with a 35mm and 85mm prime lens which would come out to about $2100. If I sell all my m43 gear, I think I could get around $2100 back, which is a loss of $100, but its okay since I used a $100 gift card in the original purchase anyways (so I guess I would break even when I sell my gear?).

Do you think this is a good idea? I need someone to convince me out of this. I keep buying new m43 gear, and I can't help but think that with the same amount of money, I could be buying full frame gear. Don't get me wrong, I love my m43 gear. Its just that, when I look at the files from my old Canon 5d classic, I really miss the files.

The reason I moved to m43 was because I had a fear of getting up real close to people when street shooting. The OMD REALLY helped me overcome that fear, because now I use the Panasonic 14mm to take pics of people literally 2 to 3 feet from them.

So my question is two-fold:

1. Is it a smart move to move from a kit where the majority of my money is in the lenses (I have $1400 in m43 lenses) to full frame, where the majority of my money is in the body(d600 is about $1600 to 1700 used)? I think I already know the answer to this.

2. Even if I am comfortable taking pics REAL close to people with the OMD, do you think I will get different/bad reactions from people when I use a DSLR? When I use the OMD, I get a positive reaction. People smile back, and some even pose for me.

Your advice will be much appreciated.

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flashdiet wrote:

I own a micro four thirds system that I've been using since Christmas. I have the omd, panasonic 14mm, Olympus 17mm, and olympus 75mm. I bought all of this new for $2200 through strategic rebate/deal hunting, all from authorized dealers. Took a lot of time but I saved $400 and I'm pretty proud of the deals I got. But I miss my canon 5d.

I am thinking of going with used Nikon D600 and keeping it simple with a 35mm and 85mm prime lens which would come out to about $2100. If I sell all my m43 gear, I think I could get around $2100 back, which is a loss of $100, but its okay since I used a $100 gift card in the original purchase anyways (so I guess I would break even when I sell my gear?).

Do you think this is a good idea? I need someone to convince me out of this. I keep buying new m43 gear, and I can't help but think that with the same amount of money, I could be buying full frame gear. Don't get me wrong, I love my m43 gear. Its just that, when I look at the files from my old Canon 5d classic, I really miss the files.

The reason I moved to m43 was because I had a fear of getting up real close to people when street shooting. The OMD REALLY helped me overcome that fear, because now I use the Panasonic 14mm to take pics of people literally 2 to 3 feet from them.

So my question is two-fold:

1. Is it a smart move to move from a kit where the majority of my money is in the lenses (I have $1400 in m43 lenses) to full frame, where the majority of my money is in the body(d600 is about $1600 to 1700 used)? I think I already know the answer to this.

2. Even if I am comfortable taking pics REAL close to people with the OMD, do you think I will get different/bad reactions from people when I use a DSLR? When I use the OMD, I get a positive reaction. People smile back, and some even pose for me.

Why dont you consider switching to a Fuji XPro instead, you will get the best of both worlds that way, an unobtrusive camera and great DSLR like IQ

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I tried the fuji x-e1. The files were AMAZING. But, the AF was very clumsy. That is why I switched to Olympus. Micro four thirds is my favorite mirrorless system so no regrets there. The Fuji was quite frustrating to use.

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Gosh I can't wait for full frame interchangeable lens mirrorless cameras, at the same pricepoint as the "affordable" full frames like the nikon d600 or canon 6d. Cheaper would be nicer too.

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I think that should give you your answer - and yes you will get very different reactions from people when pointing a dSLR in their face!

I recently sodl off my 5DII kit as the OM-D and good lenses is good enough for me - and in some situations was actually outresolving the 5DII, so make sure it's not just nostalgia!

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flashdiet wrote:

Gosh I can't wait for full frame interchangeable lens mirrorless cameras, at the same pricepoint as the "affordable" full frames like the nikon d600 or canon 6d. Cheaper would be nicer too.

Yes, FF in a small light body will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I wouldn't expect FF mirrorless for less than $2G, even at that price point there are so many people and likely low production in the beginning that it would be months before wide availability. The rumors put Sony NEX-9 to August, but I doubt I can get one until the next year.

It would be interesting to peek into Panalympus plans if they have bigger sensors in developement. I'm afraid though the current mount is too small to support bigger sensors. They will probably come with a bigger mount and release an adapter for current lenses to be used with m43 format.

P.S. but what I actually hope for is that Pentax comes with compact FF mirrorless, I love their lenses, no other brand comes close.

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You miss the files? What are you missing about the files?

The only things I miss are speed and noise performance of the D700.

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Seems like you really want FF and half of any activity is the pleasure you take in having the equipment  you really want. But do I think people will react differently to having a Nikon 600 pointed at them than  they would to an OM-D?  Probably. A big camera strikes me as intrusive and possibly exploitative.  A small camera seems more friendly and nonthreatening.  And surreptitiously taking pictures would definitely be harder.

Why not rent or borrow a full frame and try it out on the street? See if it adds to your satisfaction or takes away from it.

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I have both the E-M5 and the Pentax K-5 which, while not a full frame, is definitely bulkier than the E-M5.

I've been able to use the K-5 for street candids thanks to wide - super-wide angle lenses but I doubt you could easily get away with a smile while pointing it at people with a normal lense. I know that here in Istanbul it's no way. My shooting style implies holding the prefocused camera at arm's length and casually raise it at people's faces. Did this with both my m43 and my Pentax gear, but for the Pentax I was using the 15mm limited f/4 (equ. to 22mm) and I was beginning to have cramps towards the end of the sessions.

Your call, for sure. Had you mentionned studio or landscape photography, why not, but a heavy full frame for street photography sounds quite counter-intuitive and unpractical to me. And you know, after the first joys of novelty, there are chance you will regret your investment.

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flashdiet wrote:

I own a micro four thirds system that I've been using since Christmas. I have the omd, panasonic 14mm, Olympus 17mm, and olympus 75mm.

Great camera and a nice set of lenses. I'd also suggest the 45/1.8 if you decide to stay 

I bought all of this new for $2200 through strategic rebate/deal hunting, all from authorized dealers. Took a lot of time but I saved $400 and I'm pretty proud of the deals I got. But I miss my canon 5d.

I believe it was Mike Johnston from The Online Photographer who speculated about what would happen if a competent photographer was blindly given any camera and forced to use it for a year. He noted that that person would probably find some things they really liked about the camera, some things that they were indifferent to and a few things that drove them crazy that they would find workarounds for. And, in the end, when forced to give the camera back, they would find that they had developed an attachment to the camera, as all artists do for a tool that serves them faithfully and allows the expression of their vision. Perhaps this is what is happening with your 5D...and perhaps you should give the OM-D a year.

I am thinking of going with used Nikon D600 and keeping it simple with a 35mm and 85mm prime lens which would come out to about $2100. If I sell all my m43 gear, I think I could get around $2100 back, which is a loss of $100, but its okay since I used a $100 gift card in the original purchase anyways (so I guess I would break even when I sell my gear?).

Great camera, but Nikon doesn't really have a decent, affordable 35. Go for the 28/1.8...great lens, great price. Add the 85/1.8...world class. You could even wait and pick up a D800 used, as it looks like it is yesterday's news with the d800e stealing much of its thunder. But add it to your OM-D, don't replace it with it.

Do you think this is a good idea?

No. Unless it is something that you think will result in a tangible difference in your photos. I see a lot of people take a lot of photos with a ton of different cameras, from low to high, and I can tell you there is absolutely no relationship between camera and quality of the final image. Craft? Talent? Creative vision? Oh yeah.

I need someone to convince me out of this. I keep buying new m43 gear, and I can't help but think that with the same amount of money, I could be buying full frame gear.

So? What need do you have that isn't being met by m4/3? Is it just FF envy? A lament for bygone cameras?

Don't get me wrong, I love my m43 gear. Its just that, when I look at the files from my old Canon 5d classic, I really miss the files.

Probably a sign that you haven't spent enough time with your OM-D files. Post is tricky business, no doubt, and it takes time to learn how to massage a file. You probably knew just what to do to make your old 5D files sing. So if you miss working with those files, buy a 5D. They are bloody cheap..not uncommon to see on craigslist for $500. Then when you get it, shoot it side-by-side with your OM-D...I think you'll be surprised.

The reason I moved to m43 was because I had a fear of getting up real close to people when street shooting. The OMD REALLY helped me overcome that fear, because now I use the Panasonic 14mm to take pics of people literally 2 to 3 feet from them.

Perfect. A camera that frees you to explore your creativity and advance your composition is adding a lot more to your end-product image quality than any camera can.

So my question is two-fold:

1. Is it a smart move to move from a kit where the majority of my money is in the lenses (I have $1400 in m43 lenses) to full frame, where the majority of my money is in the body(d600 is about $1600 to 1700 used)? I think I already know the answer to this.

No.

2. Even if I am comfortable taking pics REAL close to people with the OMD, do you think I will get different/bad reactions from people when I use a DSLR? When I use the OMD, I get a positive reaction. People smile back, and some even pose for me.

I think this has a bit to do with the camera and a lot to do with your confidence using the camera. Gut it out. Stop buying stuff for m4/3 and start saving. In the meantime, shoot like crazy and learn the ins and outs of the OM-D files. By the time you have enough money to add a FF kit to your m4/3...well, you'll probably find you don't need it. Then blow the money on a trip somewhere interesting and shoot till you drop, beatific smile and all. May I recommend Hong Kong? Ridiculously photogenic, great food, and a populace that respects photography and those who pursue it. Trust me, better to spend money on experiences rather than things.

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I use an FX SLR and I recently bought an OMD too. I bought the OMD for when I want to travel light. I like street photography and look forward to using the OMD for that too. It is far less obtrusive and noticable than a big SLR and big lenses. Easier to carry more kit too.

My street kit until now has been a Nikon D700 with 35mm f1.4 and Sigma 85mm f1.4 or just with a 24~120mm VR. It's great kit but I always wished it was smaller for street.

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flashdiet wrote:

The reason I moved to m43 was because I had a fear of getting up real close to people when street shooting. The OMD REALLY helped me overcome that fear, because now I use the Panasonic 14mm to take pics of people literally 2 to 3 feet from them.

It's not that much the size of the camera as the way you point it toward people that causes different reactions. If you use the viewfinder and point camera toward people faces, it will cause hostile reaction in most people as it associates with strangers intruding into one's personal space. Now lower your camera to the waist level and people will likely look with curiosity rather than antagonism.

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I add the Olympus 12/2.0 before giving up on the OM-D - superb street lens!



I think this lens could help your FF longing a lot!

My wife has an OM-D, and it really have improved a lot with the new lenses: 12, 45 & 75!

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Fuji X100S might be an answer.

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Great camera, but Nikon doesn't really have a decent, affordable 35. Go for the 28/1.8...great lens, great price. Add the 85/1.8...world class. You could even wait and pick up a D800 used, as it looks like it is yesterday's news with the d800e stealing much of its thunder. But add it to your OM-D, don't replace it with it.

I have a D600 and use the DX 35 1.8 which is absolutely fabulous for people shots. When you stop down and focus far away it vignettes but i knew that before and that things is cheap and cool!

OP, there are many reasons for FF, but doing street photography if you like to keep a low level is not one of them. In fact i think the OMD with its tilt screen and touch focusing is the almost ideal street shooting camera.

I only have an old GF1 but even that, the Oly kit, the 20mm and the 45-200 i didn´t sell. Those things have been hald around the world with me and seen lots of great stuff (the Oly 45mm was stolen in  Vietnam). They deserve the easy life as a backup system.

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I only show my pics in blogs, never print. Hence FF would be a waste of resources.

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I had the 5D II and when I compared the images, they were indistinguishable even when cropped and printed at 13/19": resolution equal, low-ISO DR OM-D better, high-ISO noise 5DII better.

As for street fotos, I found the OM-D's tilting LCD very useful. Also face recognition works well for candid shots.

So I sold the 5DII.

If I were to complement the OM-D with another FF system, it would have to be the Nikon 800E for ultimate detail in landscape and nature fotography.

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Dave Sanders wrote:

Great camera, but Nikon doesn't really have a decent, affordable 35. Go for the 28/1.8...great lens, great price. Add the 85/1.8...world class. You could even wait and pick up a D800 used, as it looks like it is yesterday's news with the d800e stealing much of its thunder. But add it to your OM-D, don't replace it with it.

I have a D600 and use the DX 35 1.8 which is absolutely fabulous for people shots. When you stop down and focus far away it vignettes but i knew that before and that things is cheap and cool!

Good to know! My 35/1.8 did very loyal service for a number of years on my D2X...outstanding lens for the money. I used it a bit on my dad's D700 and was very impressed with its performance at close focus distances. My dad has since bought a 28/1.8 and there is now no need to put the 35/1.8 on his D700 anymore. The 28/1.8 is a really great lens...and on sale, if ya need something to lust after 

OP, there are many reasons for FF, but doing street photography if you like to keep a low level is not one of them. In fact i think the OMD with its tilt screen and touch focusing is the almost ideal street shooting camera.

As do I...it is exactly the reason why I bought one. Great street camera. Small, quiet a dream to shoot with and produces lovely files. Love the tilt screen and the touch-to-focus/release feature. Perfect for candid street/family photography. Though it is in addition to my Nikon kit, which I will add to later in the year...a D800 perhaps.

I think it's a great time to be a photographer. I see a lot of complaining on the various forums around here and I must say, I look around at the cameras available for sale and see a whole heck of a lot NOT to complain about, from every manufacturer.

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You already know the ultimate answer of a small FF with killer lenses that is made for street work. I'll give you a hint it starts with an L and has a red dot.

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