Those AWFUL 70-200 Nikon Zooms! ;-)

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Feb 18, 2013

I added the smiley face, BUT I am actually a bit serious about it. After trying the newest version of the Canon 70-200 2.8 I'm left shaking my head at Nikon's subpar efforts. It's very simple to break down.

1) Nikon 70-200 VRII - This lens is wonderful in ALMOST every way. It's even a bit better than the Canon optically, but the VRII has one insanely bad element. Focus breathing. What kind of two-bit engineer redesigns a classic zoom, often listed among the best for portraits and wedding work, and then leaves it with the worst focus breathing this side of the 18-200vr DX? You just paid well over 2 grand for a 70-200 that is actually a 65-133mm lens. I love mine, but I'd really like a lens that actually gets something close to 200mm since that's what I paid for.

2) Nikon 70-200 VR F4 - Oh my! I hate this lens. It's great. Great optics. Great handling. It holds much more of it's 200mm at close focus and it has very good VR. And then Nikon made it an F4. For gods sakes if I want anything close to the 2.8 and 200mm of any of these lenses I'm left with...the 70-200 VR1.

3) Nikon 70-200 VRI - Let's face it. This is still the best design. It's sharp. It's beautifully built. It has some softness in the corners, but that's not going to effect folks who use it for what it was designed for. Optically it's a step behind the VRII, but it's a small step. And you get a lens quite close to a true 70-200mm. Well done, Nikon of yesteryear!

Now....if you want a Nikon lens that does what the Canon version does so well, you need to buy TWO of them!

And that's my Monday rant. I hope a new 70-200 2.8 won't be too far off.

Robert

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Shotcents wrote:

I added the smiley face, BUT I am actually a bit serious about it. After trying the newest version of the Canon 70-200 2.8 I'm left shaking my head at Nikon's subpar efforts. It's very simple to break down.

1) Nikon 70-200 VRII - This lens is wonderful in ALMOST every way. It's even a bit better than the Canon optically, but the VRII has one insanely bad element. Focus breathing. What kind of two-bit engineer redesigns a classic zoom, often listed among the best for portraits and wedding work, and then leaves it with the worst focus breathing this side of the 18-200vr DX? You just paid well over 2 grand for a 70-200 that is actually a 65-133mm lens. I love mine, but I'd really like a lens that actually gets something close to 200mm since that's what I paid for.

2) Nikon 70-200 VR F4 - Oh my! I hate this lens. It's great. Great optics. Great handling. It holds much more of it's 200mm at close focus and it has very good VR. And then Nikon made it an F4. For gods sakes if I want anything close to the 2.8 and 200mm of any of these lenses I'm left with...the 70-200 VR1.

3) Nikon 70-200 VRI - Let's face it. This is still the best design. It's sharp. It's beautifully built. It has some softness in the corners, but that's not going to effect folks who use it for what it was designed for. Optically it's a step behind the VRII, but it's a small step. And you get a lens quite close to a true 70-200mm. Well done, Nikon of yesteryear!

Now....if you want a Nikon lens that does what the Canon version does so well, you need to buy TWO of them!

And that's my Monday rant. I hope a new 70-200 2.8 won't be too far off.

Robert

Get an 80-200 2.8 it's a great lens in the mean time.

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Shotcents wrote:

I added the smiley face, BUT I am actually a bit serious about it. After trying the newest version of the Canon 70-200 2.8 I'm left shaking my head at Nikon's subpar efforts. It's very simple to break down.

1) Nikon 70-200 VRII - This lens is wonderful in ALMOST every way. It's even a bit better than the Canon optically, but the VRII has one insanely bad element. Focus breathing. What kind of two-bit engineer redesigns a classic zoom, often listed among the best for portraits and wedding work, and then leaves it with the worst focus breathing this side of the 18-200vr DX? You just paid well over 2 grand for a 70-200 that is actually a 65-133mm lens. I love mine, but I'd really like a lens that actually gets something close to 200mm since that's what I paid for.

2) Nikon 70-200 VR F4 - Oh my! I hate this lens. It's great. Great optics. Great handling. It holds much more of it's 200mm at close focus and it has very good VR. And then Nikon made it an F4. For gods sakes if I want anything close to the 2.8 and 200mm of any of these lenses I'm left with...the 70-200 VR1.

3) Nikon 70-200 VRI - Let's face it. This is still the best design. It's sharp. It's beautifully built. It has some softness in the corners, but that's not going to effect folks who use it for what it was designed for. Optically it's a step behind the VRII, but it's a small step. And you get a lens quite close to a true 70-200mm. Well done, Nikon of yesteryear!

Now....if you want a Nikon lens that does what the Canon version does so well, you need to buy TWO of them!

And that's my Monday rant. I hope a new 70-200 2.8 won't be too far off.

Robert

You may be happier with Canon equipment.

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I agree the Nikon 80-200 AF is one of those great lenses (provided you don't need VR) at a fraction of the price of the 70-200 VRI & II

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Do us all a favour, you so obviously a Canon nut, so please go back to Canon and stop having a goat Nikon..

How many Different mounts have Canon had, How many lens mounts have Nikon had..

Go back to the Canon pages..

Stop mouthing off, Nikon have been making lenses a lot longer than Canon..

Just to help you, Nikon have since 1958 used ONE bayonet mount, as you are so obviously a Canon Freak, please tell me how many Lens mounts Canon have had.

Plus why were anon lenses painted White, Why did Canon stop selling Flouriite lenses, is it anything to do with the Crystal used??

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Ian wrote:

Do us all a favour, you so obviously a Canon nut, so please go back to Canon and stop having a goat Nikon..

How many Different mounts have Canon had, How many lens mounts have Nikon had..

Go back to the Canon pages..

Stop mouthing off, Nikon have been making lenses a lot longer than Canon..

Just to help you, Nikon have since 1958 used ONE bayonet mount, as you are so obviously a Canon Freak, please tell me how many Lens mounts Canon have had.

Plus why were anon lenses painted White, Why did Canon stop selling Flouriite lenses, is it anything to do with the Crystal used??

Until recently I was a dual system user, but I prefer Nikon and always have.

This does not make them perfect or beyond criticism, does it?

Robert

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the more i read these comments the more i am glad i kept my 70-200 v1.  Still i dont get how focus breathing is such a big deal, seems like a compromise but better than being soft at 2.8 or some of the other compromises other brands have made

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Robert you seem to be a glass half empty person or perhaps a perfectionist?   Just like there is no perfect spouse there is no perfect lens made by anyone.    Name any lens and it can be nit picked.

All three of the lens you mentioned have limitations but have you seen some of the incredible images they produce?   The 2.8VRII in particular is superb optically even on a D800E.   The focus breathing is occasionally annoying but I haven't lost any shots because of it.   At distance it is a 200mm lens.

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Shotcents wrote:

I added the smiley face, BUT I am actually a bit serious about it. After trying the newest version of the Canon 70-200 2.8 I'm left shaking my head at Nikon's subpar efforts. It's very simple to break down.

1) Nikon 70-200 VRII - This lens is wonderful in ALMOST every way. It's even a bit better than the Canon optically, but the VRII has one insanely bad element. Focus breathing. What kind of two-bit engineer redesigns a classic zoom, often listed among the best for portraits and wedding work, and then leaves it with the worst focus breathing this side of the 18-200vr DX? You just paid well over 2 grand for a 70-200 that is actually a 65-133mm lens. I love mine, but I'd really like a lens that actually gets something close to 200mm since that's what I paid for.

2) Nikon 70-200 VR F4 - Oh my! I hate this lens. It's great. Great optics. Great handling. It holds much more of it's 200mm at close focus and it has very good VR. And then Nikon made it an F4. For gods sakes if I want anything close to the 2.8 and 200mm of any of these lenses I'm left with...the 70-200 VR1.

3) Nikon 70-200 VRI - Let's face it. This is still the best design. It's sharp. It's beautifully built. It has some softness in the corners, but that's not going to effect folks who use it for what it was designed for. Optically it's a step behind the VRII, but it's a small step. And you get a lens quite close to a true 70-200mm. Well done, Nikon of yesteryear!

Now....if you want a Nikon lens that does what the Canon version does so well, you need to buy TWO of them!

And that's my Monday rant. I hope a new 70-200 2.8 won't be too far off.

Robert

I tend to forgive a weak point of my lens (or two) in light of its excellence in other and main areas. I think that exactly would be the case with the 70-200/2.8 ll. I mean I wouldn’t compromise, not even slightly, in any other area for getting higher MM. Do you need high magnifications close or at MFD? It sounds like for more specialised use. correct me if wrong. How about keeping the excellent 300/4  next to the 70-200/2.8 ll for much better MM plus gain in working distance and reach. For close-ups the lack of VR doesn’t matter as you’d use a tripod and the quality/magnification/price is very very good with this lens imo.

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Just sayin'...

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Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 VC Rob?

If they get the price right, it looks to be a killer lens.

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Through your entire post, you failed to mention the world beater Tamron whatever. You are not getting paid if that happen again. 

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The vr1 also has focus breathing close up but at a distance its all right. With the D800 it has found a new life even close up as the resolution enables cropping down close up birds which my main subject, peter

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paulski66 wrote:

Just sayin'...

Perma-Ban?

Sheesh, sounds scary!

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Perma-Ban?

Sheesh, sounds scary!

Is it running fast? /what caliber to shoot it with? 

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Gabbro wrote:

Through your entire post, you failed to mention the world beater Tamron whatever. You are not getting paid if that happen again.

Well, I was getting to it!

LOL....I heard the Tamron was pretty good, tried it once but not enough to really see whether it was on par with my VRII.

My favorite lenses in this range....best to worse

I honestly think Canon has them all beat with their 70-200 IS II. I'd love to see a new 70-200 2.8 from Nikon that doesn't leave me needing am extra 50mm of reach/FOV and DOF control that is missing from the current version.

Robert

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sfnikon wrote:

Robert you seem to be a glass half empty person or perhaps a perfectionist? Just like there is no perfect spouse there is no perfect lens made by anyone. Name any lens and it can be nit picked.

All three of the lens you mentioned have limitations but have you seen some of the incredible images they produce? The 2.8VRII in particular is superb optically even on a D800E. The focus breathing is occasionally annoying but I haven't lost any shots because of it. At distance it is a 200mm lens.

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He doesn't shoot with the lenses, silly. He just complains about them...

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sfnikon wrote:

Robert you seem to be a glass half empty person or perhaps a perfectionist? Just like there is no perfect spouse there is no perfect lens made by anyone. Name any lens and it can be nit picked.

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Nonsense! Robert has a perfect spouse. His name is Tamron.

Yes, you'd better believe it!

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Gabbro wrote:

His name is Tamron.

HIS  name

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Shotcents wrote:

Gabbro wrote:

Through your entire post, you failed to mention the world beater Tamron whatever. You are not getting paid if that happen again.

Well, I was getting to it!

LOL....I heard the Tamron was pretty good, tried it once but not enough to really see whether it was on par with my VRII.

Really?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50786488

Changed your story again it appears.

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