Fuji X20.. where is that 50 list ?

Hello everyone

I have read or viewed on the internet several so-called "previews" of the X20 and I must say I am somewhat very disappointed by all of these review sites that seem to be content to simply " re-hash" the hype of manufacturer's  press release instead of bringing ACTUAL and VERIFIABLE information

with the X20, they all repeat that the X20 is supposed to bring a list of no less than FIFTY improvements  over the X10 and previews make you guess what the top 10 most important must be. But no one seems to know what isthis list of50

considering the tendency of manufacturers to " vastly exaggerate" their products skills and features ( and Fuji is big on hype to  put it mildly) it would be nice if  some serious site actually would  try to check if this is a correct claim

I think this is normal that a site which mentions that list of 50 can actually show they know what they are talking about. Dprreview should be one of them , by the way ?

if anyone knows where is that list, provided that such list is even real, I think now is the time

who knows maybe fuji decided to fix the most ridiculous way of  naming files ever created in a digital camera that they have on the X10

Harold

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what's your problem?

seems to me that 50 "improvements over X10" isn't  at all an unrealistic claim, esp on what  is the first major update of a first generation camera body/chassis.

Obviously a few of those such as the new sensor, processor and full information readout in the  viewfinder would count as major ones but there's a multitude of potential smaller yet significant revisions likely to be made for something as complex as a compact zoom camera with a mechanically coupled optical finder. I'd think that some of the improvements would be menu & firmware based and that others could mean subtle but useful revisions to the viewfinder linkages , switches or other subcomponents for performance,function,reliability, useability, accuracy or consistancy.

That you haven't seen a written, numbered item-by-item list is no indication of any exaggeration or false claims.

you are kidding right ?

now there is something wrong about wanting to know  what a claim means?

I happen to have owned an X10 which I found had many flaws that were significant. If indeed the X20 manages to correct a lot of the first generation flaws, I would think it would be interesting to know and for many people

welll there is nothing strange about asking to know what they are speaking about , them ...

Hopefully , we will get some resolution soon as to whether Fuji is talking about

Harold

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https://www.fujifilmusa.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x20/index.html

The changes are clear. I don't need a 50 list. Who cares? Just read about all the changes. You had a X10 so the differences should be self evident when you compare...or simply look at the X 10 specifications and compare.

Start with the Hybrid OIS AF, sensor, OVF, OVF information, processor.

These alone are potentially dramatic  advances and differences. Now we need real world hands on tests to confirm how well they work.

Anything else more than that would just be additions to the really important listed potential advances that might make the X 20 a very significant new camera. The number 50...Who cares?

it will be a lot easier when publications have production cameras in hand, don't you suppose?

though in the instant case one supposes the most important improvement might be "different photographer."

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Who cares? Why not wait until it is released and decide for yourself?

Totally agree with jimr. I spent a few minutes last evening reading through Fuji's X20 website, and many of the upgrades are exciting, impressive achievements. Not sure where the OP's rant is coming from as, except for providing full-sized sample images, Fuji has published tons of info on the X20's many improvements.

Here are some of the improvements:

• Hybrid AF with PDAF
• New Digital Trans Panel Viewfinder with shooting data display
• Video - 1080p60 @ 36 mbps
• Focus peaking
• 2/3" X-Trans CMOS II sensor with OLPF-less architecture
• Faster startup time due to improved sleep mode
• 8 Filter effects like Toy Camera, Miniature, High Key, Dramatic Tone, Partial Color, etc.
• Improved image processing with EXR II Processor and fast readout of X-Trans CMOS II for 12 fps continuous burst mode
• Microphone connectivity with USB multi-connector port
• Mic Levels
• Q Menu standard
• AF point selector under right hand
• Newly designed lenshood, UV filter, center-pinch lenscap 3 piece set
• New Advanced SR Auto with face and scene recognition
• New ISO range from ISO 100-12800
• Eye-Fi card compatibility
• PRO Neg.Std, PRO Neg.Hi film filters....
• etc...

Those are a few to get you started. How Fuji arrived at 50 improvements, I honestly couldn't care less. Last time I checked Fujifilm was in the business of selling cameras and like all companies hoping to make a profit they market their products as best as they can. The X20 is absolutely loaded with high end features and improvements. If they don't meet your needs, there are tons of other cameras to choose from. I cannot think of a bigger waste of time/energy than counting new feature claims to make sure Fuji's literature is accurate. For me, the new X-Trans sensor, PDAF, the new digital trans panel VF and improved video frame-rates/bitrate were more than enough to get my money.

But you are interested, there is an X20 Brochure PDF (click link below) so you can have a list of the improvements Fujifilm has made.

Fujifilm X20 Brochure

All the best and happy shooting, Markus

You guy are unbelievable. you seem so defensive about the whole thing. It is not about a number . fuji claims 50 improvements . Maybe some. Improvements who could be important to me would be meaningless to others and vice versa

the BEST is to have the information so that people can decide how much better or not the X20 is over the X10

Harold

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hello

your post are hard to understand. No I mean really. What is so difficult to understand.? Fuji claims many improvements over the X10. I d like to get the info about them

if there was a new canera claiming this and that you would not blame some site for wanting the info

Harold

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NO idea what this last sentence means ...

Harold

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Don't you dare suggest anything less then perfect with the X20, you'll be ripped to shreds by the forum resident funboys.  X20 is hyped to be the best, greatest, smartest "compact" camera since the advent of digital photography, if this sounds suspicious to you (knowing the X10 experience), you have every right to be extra careful about Fuji claims.

They claimed the F300EXR's TTL contrast AF / Phase detection AF was going to be revolutionary, did anyone notice any difference?

I'm afraid I've been spoiled now with the EM-5, almost any camera's autofocus is going to seem slow.

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Thank you. For me if the orb problem does not reappear, if the new sensor produces great images, the VF has information in it....those alone are wonderful improvements. now I know many people are not happy with Fuji's lack of acknowledgment when there is a problem, that is a problem and they need to get that together. Also they need to help companies sort out the issues with a good RAW developer. So for me 50 is a silly number, if fuji needs to say 50 that is ok, for me the above are just fine.

And I've listed nearly 20 improvements!!! What is so hard to understand. What do you expect forum members here to do the research for you?  If you need an exact list of every single improvement equalling 50 items, google the X20 and get to reading.

I've linked to the X20 PDF, have you read it?  If not, what on earth are you moaning and groaning about?  Sounds like you want someone else to tell you all the updates when Fujifilm's website and Google should provide all the info you need.  That's what computers are for, finding stuff out.  Nobody here has time to find the info for you that is one Google search away.

Nobody is ripping anyone to shreds, but the OP is demanding that forum members produce some list of 50 improvements of the X20 instead of finding it himself.  I've read almost everything on the X20 and I've never seen any claim of 50 improvements.  So if the OP knows the website where these claims of some "list of 50" is, wouldn't he be in the best position to find it?

I have listed 20 improvements above off the top of my head, but the OP claims he doesn't understand my post and doesn't seem to be interested in reading ANY of the links others have provided, or doing anything to help find his "list of 50" (real or imagined) but just wants to sit back make demands on others and complain about Fuji.

Google is right in front of all of us. If someone doesn't want to take the time to use it, they have zero reason to complain, IMHO.

Without PDAF, the EM-5 still can't do AF tracking that's worth much at all.  My Nikon V1 can tracking a moving subject as well as any DSLR.  Like the new X20, Nikon implemented on-sensor PDAF.

The EM-5 and other m43 cameras, on the other hand, that are limited to Contrast Detect AF are never going to be able to accurately track a moving subject like BIF or a your kid at their football game.  There is more to an AF system that Single Shot AF.  Nikon with their 1 series, and now Fuji understand what has taken other mirrorless vendors years to finally realize, with the release a couple of months ago of the Sony NEX-5R: that C-AF is just not going to cut it for moving subjects.

Response to the OP's question was quite harsh, it could have been handled much nicer, don't you think? You X20 fanboys are quite aggressive with anyone who questions the upcoming X20 greatness. It is quite normal to doubt the Fuji, after the recent X10 and X-S1 controversy. Nothing wrong with that.

Amusing....So read the information and wait for hands on testing. Is that so difficult?

That is what we do for every camera from every brand.

What is new here?

What is different here from every other camera introduction? What?????

Patience....

Harsh? The fanboy label is so easy to throw around. Call names instead of a logical rational answer.

Read the description and then wait to see what is true or isn't true. Patience...

No, I want to know now and if I don't  get my demanded answer now...complain...complain or throw out the fanboy label. That really answers questions, and is so helpful and illuminating. Very helpful...

You have quite a lot of nerve calling anyone an "X20 fanboy".  This is a Fuji forum.  Do you think people here shoot Fuji cameras just for the heck of it?  No, they enjoy Fuji cameras just like Nikon users enjoy their cameras and m43 users enjoy their cameras.  People use a given brand because they like the images the camera produces.  It has nothing to do with "fanboy".  If some called you a "Fuji hater" you would not be happy.  But the fact is that there has been more than enough Fuji X10 bashing to last a lifetime and people who are interested in purchasing the X20 are not interested in listening to baseless attacks from haters on a camera have hasn't even shipped yet.  If Fuji haters what to stir up nonexistent controversy about an unshipped and untested camera they can expect others to call them on it.

As far as the OP, he is demanding some itemized list based on some vague comment about 50 features that he read somewhere.  He provided no links and showed no indication that he's made any effort whatsoever reading through the X20 literature on Fujiilm's website that catalogues the many improvements on Fujifilm's website and dozens of other X20 previews all over the web.  Instead he seemed more interested in venting about some vague displeasure about the fact that OTHERS are not providing him with a list of 50 improvements (keep in mind he won't even say where he read the claim about 50 improvements).  For crying out loud, for the life of my, I cannot imagine what you find defensible about the way the OP phrased his question.  That others reacted negatively to the kind of vague, lazy rant slash question from the OP is to be expected and the forum member's reactions are perfectly justified, IMHO.

Exactly.  The OP seems to want to sit back and have others fill in the blanks for him.  You know what?  When I'm interested in a camera I spend time researching it, reading specs, downloading sample images, converting raw, pixel peeping JPEGs, comparing it with other models, etc.  I don't go on forums and start making demands that others do Google searches for me.

All companies make claims in their marketing, but nowhere in the Fujifilm X20 announement (See link below) does it say anything about "50 improvements".

Fujifilm X20 Press Release Announcement

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/01/07/Fujifilm-x20#press

Anyway, I've wasted enough time with this useless thread.  If people don't want to do a little reading then they have nothing to complain about.