Tripod fitting these constraints?

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Tripod fitting these constraints?
Feb 10, 2013

I'm going to post a query again, now that I have an idea of what I need. I just got a D7000 + 18-105 on Black Friday sale. I am having a bit of trouble finding a tripod that fits these needs. Thanks very much for your help (and feel free to correct any misconceptions I have):


====Thanks for any suggestions. It's bee surprisingly hard to find one.
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- Number of sections = 4 or less, but willing to consider 5 (Hogan says that's bad)
- Leg locks = flip levers preferred, but will consider anything
- Material = carbon fiber or aluminum
- Weight capacity = 12lbs or more, D7000 and up to 300 lens in windy desert
- Folded length = < 22" (to fit in my motorcycle side bag, shorter is definitely better)
- Max height = 64" or more (I am 6' and want eye level for landscapes)
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Feisol ct3442 rapid

Height 69" (with optional centre column)

Folded length 19"

Weight capacity 22lb

The main sticking point (apart from the need for an extended centre column) would be the ring leg-locks, but you'll get used to them.

One thing to bear in mind when you're comparing other tripods, a tripod head will add an aditional 3 or 4 inches to the maximum height and often to the folded length. You can remove the head each time you put it away, but that would be a major inconvenience.

The Feisol and other 'systematic' style tripods will fold the legs over the ballhead, so the folded length remains the same.

If you go with the Feisol or similar tripod, I'd suggest trying it without the centre column first. You may find it's tall enough. Extended centre columns adversely affect stability.

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In reply to river251, Feb 10, 2013

river251 wrote:

I'm going to post a query again, now that I have an idea of what I need. I just got a D7000 + 18-105 on Black Friday sale. I am having a bit of trouble finding a tripod that fits these needs. Thanks very much for your help (and feel free to correct any misconceptions I have):


====Thanks for any suggestions. It's bee surprisingly hard to find one.
====
- Number of sections = 4 or less, but willing to consider 5 (Hogan says that's bad)
- Leg locks = flip levers preferred, but will consider anything
- Material = carbon fiber or aluminum
- Weight capacity = 12lbs or more, D7000 and up to 300 lens in windy desert
- Folded length = < 22" (to fit in my motorcycle side bag, shorter is definitely better)
- Max height = 64" or more (I am 6' and want eye level for landscapes)
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Max height = 52" legs only, but 63 1/2" with column attached.  Depending on the head you intend to use, this may not be required.

Folded length = 19 1/2"

Weight capacity = 26ibs

Material = Carbon fibre

Leg locks = twist locks

Number of sections = 4

Weight = 2.8lbs.

It also folds flat, so will take up substantially less space in your bag.  They do others that may suit you better, but for the price, quality is excellent.

Mine came from China via ebay.

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Kuppenbender wrote:

Feisol ct3442 rapid

Height 69" (with optional centre column)

Folded length 19"

Weight capacity 22lb

The main sticking point (apart from the need for an extended centre column) would be the ring leg-locks, but you'll get used to them.

One thing to bear in mind when you're comparing other tripods, a tripod head will add an aditional 3 or 4 inches to the maximum height and often to the folded length. You can remove the head each time you put it away, but that would be a major inconvenience.

The Feisol and other 'systematic' style tripods will fold the legs over the ballhead, so the folded length remains the same.

If you go with the Feisol or similar tripod, I'd suggest trying it without the centre column first. You may find it's tall enough. Extended centre columns adversely affect stability.

Oh, you raise a good point. These tripods that fold back over themselves to be compact have limited space between the legs for a head. I'm sure my Bogen 3030 would not fit. And the included ball heads on these don't seem great. This may be a big point of compromise. Even the Manfrotto 055 four section that fold to 22" probably are lots longer with the head.

Hmmm, this changes the picture...

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In reply to river251, Feb 15, 2013

You can buy the head separate from the legs. If I get a smaller tripod, I would likely go for a high-quality small head, one size down from the biggest head the manufacturer makes. ArcaSwiss p0, Markins Q3 or Q10, and RRS 30 and 25 sizes are some examples of top-quality small heads.

I have been very happy with my "systematic" style (no center column) Feisol CT 3472, the big brother (38 mm diameter legs) of the CT 3442, mounted with a ArcaSwiss Z1sp ball head, and compatible with a half gimbal for 400mm lens. This is great for birds, overkill for landscapes. When I get too annoyed with hiking with the thing, I may downsize to a 27 mm diameter leg compact tripod kit.

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You can buy the head separate from the legs. If I get a smaller tripod, I would likely go for a high-quality small head, one size down from the biggest head the manufacturer makes. ArcaSwiss p0, Markins Q3 or Q10, and RRS 30 and 25 sizes are some examples of top-quality small heads.

I have been very happy with my "systematic" style (no center column) Feisol CT 3472, the big brother (38 mm diameter legs) of the CT 3442, mounted with a ArcaSwiss Z1sp ball head, and compatible with a half gimbal for 400mm lens. This is great for birds, overkill for landscapes. When I get too annoyed with hiking with the thing, I may downsize to a 27 mm diameter leg compact tripod kit.

Thanks much Nancy. Can you help me understand what "headless" tripods are about? Is it that the legs are made long enough that you can go without a center column and mount the head directly to the legs, to avoid the weaker support of the center column? I do notice it usually is with more heavy duty tripods, but it seems like you should be able to mount the head to the legs with any tripod, so I don't understand if there is something special about a purpose built headless tripod.....??

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Kuppenbender wrote:

Feisol ct3442 rapid

Height 69" (with optional centre column)

Folded length 19"

Weight capacity 22lb

The main sticking point (apart from the need for an extended centre column) would be the ring leg-locks, but you'll get used to them.

One thing to bear in mind when you're comparing other tripods, a tripod head will add an aditional 3 or 4 inches to the maximum height and often to the folded length. You can remove the head each time you put it away, but that would be a major inconvenience.

The Feisol and other 'systematic' style tripods will fold the legs over the ballhead, so the folded length remains the same.

If you go with the Feisol or similar tripod, I'd suggest trying it without the centre column first. You may find it's tall enough. Extended centre columns adversely affect stability.

Kuppenbender, when you have a tripod in which the legs fold back over the head, does this limit the space for the head, and thus limit what head can be used? Indeed limit it to the head that comes with it? Having to fit into such a small space, I would think the ball must be small, so that with these kinds of tripods you are limiting the solidness of the head. Of course the advantages for travel probably outweight the disadvantages of the head. But this will be my one and only tripod, and solidity is really important.

I made a mistake in my first post. I need the tripod to be 22" or less because if it is longer, I will see it in my rear view mirrors on my ST1300 tourer. I have a luggage rack and will carry the tripod sitting sideways across it. I was mistaken about putting it inside the luggage.

How hard is it to remove the head from the legs? I frequently pull over for a quick shot of something. One of the points of the trip.

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Depending on your budget you may find a suitable series matching your quest from Gitzo. However they don't use lever leg locks as don't other premium tripod makers like RRS. Twist leg locks are quicker, more secure, less prone to break or creep, and less obtrusive when folded/stowed.

http://www.gitzo.us/photo-tripods

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Hank3152 wrote:

Depending on your budget you may find a suitable series matching your quest from Gitzo. However they don't use lever leg locks as don't other premium tripod makers like RRS. Twist leg locks are quicker, more secure, less prone to break or creep, and less obtrusive when folded/stowed.

http://www.gitzo.us/photo-tripods

Thanks Hank. I have only used levers, which seem fast, and I imagined you would have to twist each setion's lock whereas with levers you can hit them all at once. Can you give one twist to all of the twist locks at once? (I mean on one leg, not the whole tripod )

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Kuppenbender, when you have a tripod in which the legs fold back over the head, does this limit the space for the head, and thus limit what head can be used?

There are two kinds of tripods where the legs fold over the head. Gitzo (and others) call these 'Traveller 'and 'systematic'.

The Traveller-style tripods are very small. They have a non-removable centre column and, as you say, are limited to small ballheads. You can use bigger heads, but the legs won't fold all the way down. Traveller-style tripods need the centre column extended to achieve a reasonable height. For this reason they are not suitable for heavier camera/lens combinations.

Of course the advantages for travel probably outweight the disadvantages of the head. But this will be my one and only tripod, and solidity is really important.

The 'Systematic' style of tripod (Feisol call them 'Tournament- class') are more solid. They are a couple of inches longer than the Traveller-style tripods when folded, but that allows them to extend higher and without a centre column (centre columns are available to get even higher). If you follow the link you'll see the plate at the top of the legs is over 3" in diameter and will easily accommodate a ballhead 2 1/2" in diameter with the legs folded over the head.

How hard is it to remove the head from the legs? I frequently pull over for a quick shot of something. One of the points of the trip.

That all depends on how tight you screw the head on. Some people carry their tripods short distances with the legs extended and the camera attached. If your head is too loosely screwed on, your camera might one crashing to the ground.

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river251 wrote:

Kuppenbender, when you have a tripod in which the legs fold back over the head, does this limit the space for the head, and thus limit what head can be used?

There are two kinds of tripods where the legs fold over the head. Gitzo (and others) call these 'Traveller 'and 'systematic'.

The Traveller-style tripods are very small. They have a non-removable centre column and, as you say, are limited to small ballheads. You can use bigger heads, but the legs won't fold all the way down. Traveller-style tripods need the centre column extended to achieve a reasonable height. For this reason they are not suitable for heavier camera/lens combinations.

Of course the advantages for travel probably outweight the disadvantages of the head. But this will be my one and only tripod, and solidity is really important.

The 'Systematic' style of tripod (Feisol call them 'Tournament- class') are more solid. They are a couple of inches longer than the Traveller-style tripods when folded, but that allows them to extend higher and without a centre column (centre columns are available to get even higher). If you follow the link you'll see the plate at the top of the legs is over 3" in diameter and will easily accommodate a ballhead 2 1/2" in diameter with the legs folded over the head.

How hard is it to remove the head from the legs? I frequently pull over for a quick shot of something. One of the points of the trip.

That all depends on how tight you screw the head on. Some people carry their tripods short distances with the legs extended and the camera attached. If your head is too loosely screwed on, your camera might one crashing to the ground.

Thanks very much for the thorough explanation! I think I can shop knowledgeably now...

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river251 wrote:

Hank3152 wrote:

Depending on your budget you may find a suitable series matching your quest from Gitzo. However they don't use lever leg locks as don't other premium tripod makers like RRS. Twist leg locks are quicker, more secure, less prone to break or creep, and less obtrusive when folded/stowed.

http://www.gitzo.us/photo-tripods

Thanks Hank. I have only used levers, which seem fast, and I imagined you would have to twist each setion's lock whereas with levers you can hit them all at once. Can you give one twist to all of the twist locks at once? (I mean on one leg, not the whole tripod )

Yes, since they are all grouped when compressed, just like this monopod below.........just wrap your hand around 3 of them at once and give it a 1/4 turn.

My first tripods were by Manfrotto and I thought levers were the way to go until I bought a Gitzo and now see why the premium ones all use twist locks for the aformentioned reasons. Besides, the legs do not rotate either, they just slide straight out........



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river251 wrote:

- Number of sections = 4 or less, but willing to consider 5 (Hogan says that's bad)
- Leg locks = flip levers preferred, but will consider anything
- Material = carbon fiber or aluminum
- Weight capacity = 12lbs or more, D7000 and up to 300 lens in windy desert
- Folded length = < 22" (to fit in my motorcycle side bag, shorter is definitely better)
- Max height = 64" or more (I am 6' and want eye level for landscapes)

the sirui n-2204 (carbon fiber, $405) and the n-2004 (aluminum, $185) ... same specs, different materials ... try searching at bhphoto.com or adorama.com if in the USA ...

a video showing the tripod and twist-lock legs is here:

sirui n-2204

good luck ...

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Hank3152 wrote:

river251 wrote:

Hank3152 wrote:

Depending on your budget you may find a suitable series matching your quest from Gitzo. However they don't use lever leg locks as don't other premium tripod makers like RRS. Twist leg locks are quicker, more secure, less prone to break or creep, and less obtrusive when folded/stowed.

http://www.gitzo.us/photo-tripods

Thanks Hank. I have only used levers, which seem fast, and I imagined you would have to twist each setion's lock whereas with levers you can hit them all at once. Can you give one twist to all of the twist locks at once? (I mean on one leg, not the whole tripod )

Yes, since they are all grouped when compressed, just like this monopod below.........just wrap your hand around 3 of them at once and give it a 1/4 turn.

My first tripods were by Manfrotto and I thought levers were the way to go until I bought a Gitzo and now see why the premium ones all use twist locks for the aformentioned reasons. Besides, the legs do not rotate either, they just slide straight out........



Thanks again Hank. I was also wondering if the legs twisted or just came out straight. Is this also true for the older Gitzos like the G1228, which I've been watching, since they are a bit more affordable than the newer line....

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confyushis wrote:

river251 wrote:

- Number of sections = 4 or less, but willing to consider 5 (Hogan says that's bad)
- Leg locks = flip levers preferred, but will consider anything
- Material = carbon fiber or aluminum
- Weight capacity = 12lbs or more, D7000 and up to 300 lens in windy desert
- Folded length = < 22" (to fit in my motorcycle side bag, shorter is definitely better)
- Max height = 64" or more (I am 6' and want eye level for landscapes)

the sirui n-2204 (carbon fiber, $405) and the n-2004 (aluminum, $185) ... same specs, different materials ... try searching at bhphoto.com or adorama.com if in the USA ...

a video showing the tripod and twist-lock legs is here:

sirui n-2204

good luck ...

Thanks, confyushis, that's another one I'm looking at....with the Benro. I can't seem to get a good sounding on whether the Benrus, Feisel, Sirui etc are as rigid as the Gitzo.

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river251 wrote:

Thanks again Hank. I was also wondering if the legs twisted or just came out straight. Is this also true for the older Gitzos like the G1228, which I've been watching, since they are a bit more affordable than the newer line....

You may have to contact Gitzo for a definitive answer......
http://www.gitzo.us/Footer/contact+us/Contact+Us/3661034

.......even the reviews didn't say one way or another. The 4th review mentions it but it's for a different model........Here's a few reviews:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=142

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Hank3152 wrote:

river251 wrote:

Thanks again Hank. I was also wondering if the legs twisted or just came out straight. Is this also true for the older Gitzos like the G1228, which I've been watching, since they are a bit more affordable than the newer line....

You may have to contact Gitzo for a definitive answer......
http://www.gitzo.us/Footer/contact+us/Contact+Us/3661034

.......even the reviews didn't say one way or another. The 4th review mentions it but it's for a different model........Here's a few reviews:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=142

Thanks much Hank, and thanks for the links.

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