Dye or pigment inks and refillable cartridges for Epson Artisan 1430

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Dye or pigment inks and refillable cartridges for Epson Artisan 1430
Feb 1, 2013

Hello, everyone,

I am looking for reliable refilling cartridges for Epson Artisan 1430 for using dye or pigment inks for photographic printing. Can anybody recommend  good quality inks and cartridges?

Thank you.

Nicholas Sherman, ACS
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Nicholas Sherman, ACS wrote:

Hello, everyone,

I am looking for reliable refilling cartridges for Epson Artisan 1430 for using dye or pigment inks for photographic printing. Can anybody recommend good quality inks and cartridges?

Thank you.

Nicholas Sherman, ACS
http://www.nsherman.info

http://store.inkjetcarts.us/a1430-c1406.aspx

http://precisioncolors.com/E6b_79bref.html

There are many! Google!!!!

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Thank you,

Do you have personal experience with any of these?

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Nicholas Sherman, ACS wrote:

Thank you,

Do you have personal experience with any of these?

Cheers,

Nicholas

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Yes! All top notch!

Best source for Pigment and cart If you coose to go that route though the 1430 is designed for dye!

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/sc.11/category.42685/.f

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Nicholas Sherman, ACS wrote:

Hello, everyone,

I am looking for reliable refilling cartridges for Epson Artisan 1430 for using dye or pigment inks for photographic printing. Can anybody recommend good quality inks and cartridges?

Thank you.

Nicholas Sherman, ACS
http://www.nsherman.info

Another one

http://www.ufosystem.net/products.asp

I saw some people are using their refillable carts and inks on the other forums.

If you want to use pigment inks in 1430, I'd suggest you use InkRepublic's IRK4-nano ink set (from R3800, R2400). There was some one posting his long test result on nifty forum.

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Best source for Pigment and cart If you coose to go that route though the 1430 is designed for dye!

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/sc.11/category.42685/.f

Thank you.

The reason I am looking towards pigment inks is that I would like to avoid Claria substitute inks. Do you know any that will give me good photo prints on glossy (luster) Premium paper? Will pigment inks you referred work properly on 1430?

I tried 3rd party cartridges with US made inks similar to Claria and all prints I made had noticeable green cast. On their web (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12x-Ink-Cartridges-T0821-81N-82N-Epson-1430-Artisan-725-730-835-837-Printer-/261029753272pt=AU_Computers_Printer_Accessories&hash=item3cc695f1b8#ht_2406wt_1165)

was written: "Each ink cartridge has been manufactured to the highest OEM standards with ISO9001:2000 certified plant, and utilises equipment from Germany and Switzerland, ink from USA, and sponges from Germany"...

Kindest regards from Down Under.

Nicholas

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In reply to Nicholas Sherman, ACS, Feb 2, 2013

Nicholas Sherman, ACS wrote:

Best source for Pigment and cart If you coose to go that route though the 1430 is designed for dye!

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/sc.11/category.42685/.f

Thank you.

The reason I am looking towards pigment inks is that I would like to avoid Claria substitute inks. Do you know any that will give me good photo prints on glossy (luster) Premium paper? Will pigment inks you referred work properly on 1430?

I tried 3rd party cartridges with US made inks similar to Claria and all prints I made had noticeable green cast. On their web (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12x-Ink-Cartridges-T0821-81N-82N-Epson-1430-Artisan-725-730-835-837-Printer-/261029753272pt=AU_Computers_Printer_Accessories&hash=item3cc695f1b8#ht_2406wt_1165)

was written: "Each ink cartridge has been manufactured to the highest OEM standards with ISO9001:2000 certified plant, and utilises equipment from Germany and Switzerland, ink from USA, and sponges from Germany"...

Kindest regards from Down Under.

Nicholas

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The listing is no longer there.

These Compatible carts are not going to match OEM standards. Not even close.

And the statement about "Sponges for Germany" Sponges? Epson carts, either OEM, compatibles or refillables, have not has sponges for many many years. So I don't know what that's about.

Avoid EBAY carts like the plague!

The Dye inks from the two sources I quoted will match OEM about as close as you can possibly get.

Couple them with good high quality refillables and you should do well.

If you insist on going pigment, then the only ones that will aproach OEM are the ones from CONE Color at inkjetmall.com.

All other pigment inks will not produce good gloss. If you expect to get the prints you were getting with your Claria Dye inks on Glossy paper with Pigment inks, you will not be happy. Even is they were OEM they will never be like Claria inks.

Pigment inks do best on Matte and art papers. Epson Printers like the R1900 and R2000 actually use a gloss optimizer to cover up the effects of gloss differential pigment inks produce on Glossy and Luster papers.

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jtoolman wrote:

The Dye inks from the two sources I quoted will match OEM about as close as you can possibly get.

Couple them with good high quality refillables and you should do well.

If you insist on going pigment, then the only ones that will aproach OEM are the ones from CONE Color at inkjetmall.com.

All other pigment inks will not produce good gloss. If you expect to get the prints you were getting with your Claria Dye inks on Glossy paper with Pigment inks, you will not be happy. Even is they were OEM they will never be like Claria inks.

Pigment inks do best on Matte and art papers. Epson Printers like the R1900 and R2000 actually use a gloss optimizer to cover up the effects of gloss differential pigment inks produce on Glossy and Luster papers.

Dear jtoolman, (is it your real name? :)) )

Thank you very much for your advice and comments.

So, I have to make decision and it will be Dye inks. Any preferences from two you quoted or it doesn't really matter?

Cheers,

Nicholas Sherman, ACS
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Nicholas Sherman, ACS wrote:

jtoolman wrote:

The Dye inks from the two sources I quoted will match OEM about as close as you can possibly get.

Couple them with good high quality refillables and you should do well.

If you insist on going pigment, then the only ones that will aproach OEM are the ones from CONE Color at inkjetmall.com.

All other pigment inks will not produce good gloss. If you expect to get the prints you were getting with your Claria Dye inks on Glossy paper with Pigment inks, you will not be happy. Even is they were OEM they will never be like Claria inks.

Pigment inks do best on Matte and art papers. Epson Printers like the R1900 and R2000 actually use a gloss optimizer to cover up the effects of gloss differential pigment inks produce on Glossy and Luster papers.

Dear jtoolman, (is it your real name? :)) )

Thank you very much for your advice and comments.

So, I have to make decision and it will be Dye inks. Any preferences from two you quoted or it doesn't really matter?

Cheers,

Nicholas Sherman, ACS
www.nsherman.info

Of course not!

Joe

I am currently using using the Dye "Klariah" inks and carts from inkjetcarts.us and I can print using the Epson ICC  profiles for printing on Epson papers with no decernible difference.

Do you know how to print with the ICC profiles that were installed with your printer through your photo editor? In other words, by not letting the printer driver control color but instead letting the photo eidtor control it through a specific ICC profile for a specific paper type.  Assuming that you monitor has been properly calibrated of course.

If you do, then no more needs to be said, but if you are not familiar with the concept of Color Management, then it will be a good idea to read up on the subject so when you get your new inks and carts you can start on the right foot.

Joe

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I can't keep up with all the various 3rd party inks you use, Joe.  Why not select one and buy from one place for all your printers?

Joe, if you had to pick one dye and one pigment which ones would they be?

All of these new dye formulas are getting confusing.  Traditionally dyes faded in weeks or months.  Now many are claiming "Claria like" formulas.  That's great, but how long do they last now before fading?  Are dyes catching up to pigments in the longevity department?  I have some wedding clients liking the looks of dye but I'm scared to print their photos using dye.  I don't want them calling me in 5 years to tell me their prints are faded.  It would be nice to get more into from the 3rd party manufacturers and distributors (other than Cone inks) about these issues.

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David Seys wrote:

I can't keep up with all the various 3rd party inks you use, Joe. Why not select one and buy from one place for all your printers?

Joe, if you had to pick one dye and one pigment which ones would they be?

All of these new dye formulas are getting confusing. Traditionally dyes faded in weeks or months. Now many are claiming "Claria like" formulas. That's great, but how long do they last now before fading? Are dyes catching up to pigments in the longevity department? I have some wedding clients liking the looks of dye but I'm scared to print their photos using dye. I don't want them calling me in 5 years to tell me their prints are faded. It would be nice to get more into from the 3rd party manufacturers and distributors (other than Cone inks) about these issues.

Most of the inks sold by the top sellers int he USA are from Image Specialists. They are just rebadged by the various sellers. So I am using pretty much inks from one company if you really think about it.

CONE has their inks made exclusively for them, to their specs in China.

If you frame under glass, Claria and the various Claria type 3rd party inks will outlast most marriages.

There is almost zero data from any of the labs that test inks for longevity. As these labs will only tend to test OEM inks.

Joe

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How long would you trust these Claria type dyes on canvas with a topcoat added, Joe?  No glass.  Canvas wrapped around stretcher bars but sprayed with a topcoat with UV inhibitors.

I've never tried dye on canvas before, only pigment.  Heck, the only 3rd party dye I've ever used is from Mike at Precision Colors.  That was more or less just to see what 3rd party is like in the 1430.  But all my LF 17", 24" and 44" have always run OEM, until I make up my mind what to switch them all to.

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I have the (virtually same but earlier) 1400 and have been using inkjetfly.com pigment inks for several years now with fine results (one with the IJF CIS and other with their refillable cartridges). Because I do not use plastic type photo papers (I print on Canson watercolour papers) I use their Matte Black with the "normal" colour pigment inks, so the black does not suit gloss or similar surfaces. However, Leo offers an alternative black that can work fine with the gloss and suchlike papers. I have never had any problems with pigment inks - even though Epson designed the printer for dye inks. He also provides a profile for using the pigment inks with Epson gloss papers - which works fine with other gloss papers too.  Obviously (or should be) the IJF dye inks are also very high quality.  There are several different suppliers for inkls and refillables - up to you which you go for but I have found (using my office DX7400 AIO with the dye inks) fading occurs fairly early on with the photo plastic papers, so would not use them for any work for display or wanted for longer life purposes.  I think the paper/dye combination is the weak link, especially compared to using pigment inks, as I do, with acid-free art watercolour and cartridge papers.  Even dye inks have much longer life with such papers.

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David Seys wrote:

How long would you trust these Claria type dyes on canvas with a topcoat added, Joe? No glass. Canvas wrapped around stretcher bars but sprayed with a topcoat with UV inhibitors.

I've never tried dye on canvas before, only pigment. Heck, the only 3rd party dye I've ever used is from Mike at Precision Colors. That was more or less just to see what 3rd party is like in the 1430. But all my LF 17", 24" and 44" have always run OEM, until I make up my mind what to switch them all to.

You are right! Defintely not for unprotected Canvas wraps. I do zero canvas wraps but instead high clss matted and framed prints and in that case, though I do print with K3 pigment inks, Claria Dye prints would hardly fade in a normal home environment.

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Nicholas Sherman, ACS wrote:

Hello, everyone,

I am looking for reliable refilling cartridges for Epson Artisan 1430 for using dye or pigment inks for photographic printing. Can anybody recommend good quality inks and cartridges?

Thank you.

Nicholas Sherman, ACS
http://www.nsherman.info

Nicholas,

Be aware that the chip Epson put in carts sold here in Australia DO NOT have the same chip as in USA carts or Euro carts. Epson have used a region based chip for this. Further, Epson are now switching chips between iterations of the 1430 so it is possible that will cause MORE problems.

Try Rihac at 72-80 Hampstead Road Maidstone contact Sam. I have not used the ink yet as I have been messing about getting sorted with a 3880 and refill carts. However as soon as I am up and running that is my plan.

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What about cleaning and refilling a 2100? I'd like to start experiment printing both color and BW on my never used 2100 (which was sitting in the storage for a while), I plan on using good paper for both my color portraits and some BW landscape, what is your advice on which refillable cartridges and inks to get from EU?

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Dear All,

Thank you very much for your help.

I made decision in favor dye inks from Inkjetcarts.

Will let you know re results when I get it.

Kindest regards from Down Under

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Nicholas Sherman, ACS wrote:

Dear All,

Thank you very much for your help.

I made decision in favor dye inks from Inkjetcarts.

Will let you know re results when I get it.

Kindest regards from Down Under

Nicholas Sherman, ACS
www.nsherman.info

I have also been having an issue with a green cast using dye-based inks from HotZone360 (CISS) and now Cobra for my Artisan 835. To be fair I just got the Cobra inks, and I have not had the opportunity to talk to them about the green cast. HotZone360, though, really is not the kind of outfit one could even hope to get any help (at least for an English-only speaker like I am), so I didn't even try.  What did you think of the ink you purchased from Inkjetcarts?  Any green cast?

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jtoolman wrote:

Most of the inks sold by the top sellers int he USA are from Image Specialists. They are just rebadged by the various sellers. So I am using pretty much inks from one company if you really think about it.

CONE has their inks made exclusively for them, to their specs in China.

And you know this based on fact and not on opinion?  I don't know this, and it's in my interest as an independent testing lab to stay on top of these issues. One needs independent confirmation. You can't assume what you read on the vendor's website is the absolute truth.

If you frame under glass, Claria and the various Claria type 3rd party inks will outlast most marriages.

Yes, I agree if you consider the seven year itch!!!  However, please read my comments that follow.

There is almost zero data from any of the labs that test inks for longevity. As these labs will only tend to test OEM inks.

I'm perfectly willing to test any commercially available ink sets and publish the results for public access. I just have to raise the funds through donations to do so and find end users that buy these third party formulations willing to voluntarily submit some samples for testing.

Inkjetfly pigmented inks come very close to matching Epson OEM on light fade resistance, but it's media dependent as to which one wins in any particular circumstance.  Other pigmented ink sets on the market that I've tested lag well behind (Image specialists noted for weaker yellow performance), and I have yet to encounter any third party dye-based "Claria equivalent" inks that even comes close to matching Epson OEM Claria dye on overall light fastness. If they exist, we all would benefit if we can identify them.

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In reply to domitron, Apr 1, 2013

Sorry for being slow with response. I got problems with search for replacement printhead for my other printer (Epson 4000) and it seems it is practically impossible to find a new printhead for this printer which I successfully used for 7 years with refillable cartridges  and inks from MacroEnter (USA).

Regarding new inks and cartridges from Inkjetcarts for Epson 1430, I can say  that it works well for my purposes. The company is very friendly with customers. great support, etc. Quality of prints depends on your workflow and goals. It works well for me  and I thank everybody  again for helping me to find right solution.

Kindest regards from Down Under

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