800mm f/5.6...lighter than 600mm f/4....nice!

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Joe Porto
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800mm f/5.6...lighter than 600mm f/4....nice!
Jan 29, 2013

I have been waiting with anticipation for the specs of the 800mm f/5.6. I assumed it would be even heavier than the 600mm f/4. But it's nearly a half a kilo lighter!

I work often  with the 400mm f/2.8 and TC-20c, but optical quality suffers. The 800mm is even 100g lighter than the 400mm...I want this lens!

It's nice to see that as much as Nikon is pushing the consumer/prosumer market, they are still on the cutting edge of high end optics.

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The inclusion of the special 1.25x teleconverter in the price to get presumably top optical quality at 1000 mm seems a smart move to me.

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$18000. ouch!
In reply to Joe Porto, Jan 29, 2013

I think Nikon will replace other super teles soon with lighter versions. That would be nice. But the price will be higher than Canon versions for sure. I'll keep my 500 vr. Anyway looks like nikon versions can be lighter too.

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Joe Porto wrote:

I have been waiting with anticipation for the specs of the 800mm f/5.6. I assumed it would be even heavier than the 600mm f/4. But it's nearly a half a kilo lighter!

I work often with the 400mm f/2.8 and TC-20c, but optical quality suffers. The 800mm is even 100g lighter than the 400mm...I want this lens!

It's nice to see that as much as Nikon is pushing the consumer/prosumer market, they are still on the cutting edge of high end optics.

Price is cutting edge too.. They took Canon's overpricing to a whole new level.

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The inclusion of the special 1.25x teleconverter in the price to get presumably top optical quality at 1000 mm seems a smart move to me.

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Yes...I'm not one for MTF charts, but this is pretty impressive, and outperforms even the 500mm f/4 w/o tele (on paper of course). 

1000mm w/ teleconverter:

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My bad. It's heavier than canon's current model
In reply to jeminijoseph, Jan 29, 2013

I think Nikon will replace other super teles soon with lighter versions. That would be nice. But the price will be higher than Canon versions for sure. I'll keep my 500 vr. Anyway looks like nikon versions can be lighter too.

Min focusing is not much better than canon either. So when canon come out with their light weight version this will look silly.

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jeminijoseph wrote:

I think Nikon will replace other super teles soon with lighter versions. That would be nice. But the price will be higher than Canon versions for sure. I'll keep my 500 vr. Anyway looks like nikon versions can be lighter too.

Min focusing is not much better than canon either. So when canon come out with their light weight version this will look silly.

Well, 3 ounces on a 10LB lens isn't going to make a difference. Just going by the MTF charts, the Nikon is not only sharper than the Canon from edge to edge, it is also sharper at 1000mm w/ converter than the Canon is at 800mm.

Anyway, you guys can complain all you want...I plan to be shooting this baby in the next couple months. 

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Re: My bad. It's heavier than canon's current model
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Joe Porto wrote:

jeminijoseph wrote:

I think Nikon will replace other super teles soon with lighter versions. That would be nice. But the price will be higher than Canon versions for sure. I'll keep my 500 vr. Anyway looks like nikon versions can be lighter too.

Min focusing is not much better than canon either. So when canon come out with their light weight version this will look silly.

Well, 3 ounces on a 10LB lens isn't going to make a difference. Just going by the MTF charts, the Nikon is not only sharper than the Canon from edge to edge, it is also sharper at 1000mm w/ converter than the Canon is at 800mm.

Anyway, you guys can complain all you want...I plan to be shooting this baby in the next couple months.

Enjoy, I"ll keep using my manual focus version of this lens because I would need to sell a kidney to afford this, LOL!!

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:-Djamesdak wrote:

Enjoy, I"ll keep using my manual focus version of this lens because I would need to sell a kidney to afford this, LOL!!
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Can you really get that much for a kidney? I may be able to afford this lens after all.

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I can get a 1DX and an 800 f5.6 IS for less money! No cool 1.25x TC though.

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I can get a 1DX and an 800 f5.6 IS for less money! No cool 1.25x TC though.

Better get the 800L fast Jim...before the MKII version comes out at a much higher price.

Truthfully, having shot the 800L I'm not so sure I'd have another 800mm lens.

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JimPearce wrote:

I can get a 1DX and an 800 f5.6 IS for less money! No cool 1.25x TC though.

Better get the 800L fast Jim...before the MKII version comes out at a much higher price.

Truthfully, having shot the 800L I'm not so sure I'd have another 800mm lens.

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Why not, I find it very rewarding when used with good technique.  Really give me a chance to nail the shot on some of the wildlife work I do.

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Leonard Shepherd wrote:

The inclusion of the special 1.25x teleconverter in the price to get presumably top optical quality at 1000 mm seems a smart move to me.

Yes, indeed.

The thing I don't understand is why they made it only 1.25x. A 1.4x would have made more sense, IMO. If the lens is as sharp as the MTFs indicate, even with a 1.4x TC it should still be easily good enough for the D800 sensor.

The cropping flexibility of current 36MP full frame sensors makes low magnification TCs pretty much unnecessary. With the D800, 1.25x magnification by cropping still results in a 23MP image.

Could it be that they had some concerns that autofocus at f/8 would be worse than at f/7.1?

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jamesdak wrote:

Geomaticsman wrote:

JimPearce wrote:

I can get a 1DX and an 800 f5.6 IS for less money! No cool 1.25x TC though.

Better get the 800L fast Jim...before the MKII version comes out at a much higher price.

Truthfully, having shot the 800L I'm not so sure I'd have another 800mm lens.

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Why not, I find it very rewarding when used with good technique. Really give me a chance to nail the shot on some of the wildlife work I do.

I'm not saying an 800 isn't useful, but I'm finding I prefer a 500+TC over an 800 -- the 500 is lighter, shorter, wider FOV and shorter MFD. Right now if Nikon released a 7 lb 500VRIII w/pancake MTF like Canon's 500MKII, I that could be the last supertele I'd ever buy -- and that's shooting FX for the rest of my life.

Consider such a 500+TC14EII should yield 700mm of decently flat MTF at f5.6...only 100mm less that the 800VR...the 800 comes with a lot of extra "baggage" with not a lot of extra punch.

If you need the reach, get a V2.

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In reply to Joe Porto, Jan 29, 2013

My 2008 Honda Fit sport cost me about 16k. 18K for a lens, yikes. I used to have a sigma 300-800 in canon mount. I found it way to hard to get anything in the viewfinder at full zoom. Stationary objects ok but moving targets no thanks. Always zoomed back to 300 then once in viewfinder cranked zoom to 800.

Guess there are allot of rich people out there. Most of them are work alcoholics so I guess only pros that need this range will be getting one. I guess this is a staus symbol lens for Nikon. Cant imagine many of theses being sold.

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Only $5K more than Sony 500/4 !
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Daniel Clune wrote:

My 2008 Honda Fit sport cost me about 16k. 18K for a lens, yikes.

Years ago, I attended a "Nikon School" seminar.  (I wasn't even shooting Nikon back then).  One segment was a 15 minute slide show & talk on what you can do with a 600/4.  The instructor told us that after a previous seminar, he was taken to task by an attendee to complained that he wasted her time talking about a lens that costs as much as a small car.  His reply: "Do you need a small car ?"  Point being, most people won't need the lens and won't spend on it, but some people will decide they want it and will figure out a way to buy it.

Do you know people with boats, snowmobiles, motorcycles, ATVs or other expensive toys ?  I wouldn't spend $18K on a lens, because I don't do photography seriously enough to warrant it.  But some do.

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Dennis wrote:

Daniel Clune wrote:

My 2008 Honda Fit sport cost me about 16k. 18K for a lens, yikes.

Years ago, I attended a "Nikon School" seminar. (I wasn't even shooting Nikon back then). One segment was a 15 minute slide show & talk on what you can do with a 600/4. The instructor told us that after a previous seminar, he was taken to task by an attendee to complained that he wasted her time talking about a lens that costs as much as a small car. His reply: "Do you need a small car ?" Point being, most people won't need the lens and won't spend on it, but some people will decide they want it and will figure out a way to buy it.

Do you know people with boats, snowmobiles, motorcycles, ATVs or other expensive toys ? I wouldn't spend $18K on a lens, because I don't do photography seriously enough to warrant it. But some do.

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Hey iam not saying don't buy it but seriously you had better  make at least 100 grand a year to be in the ballpark to buy such a lens. But even at 100K a year 18K for one lens is still allot of money. My sigma 300-800 I used to have was quite a nice lens and very sharp. It cost me used 4 grand and a zoom to boot. I would buy another Sigma 300-800 over this 18 grand one any day. Sure the Nikon will be a LITTLE better but not that much better. Its for the rich. You need your head examined if you say make only 50K a year and buy this for your hobby. Only thing you mentioned above that is over 18 grand are boats which you can get a 30 year loan for. I know several that have such loans for large boats and its more like a lease than anything else.But hey if you got it spend it. But it seems to me this is more a status symbol lens for Nikon. If Nikon sells more than say 2000 of these world wide I would be shocked.

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Daniel Clune wrote:

My 2008 Honda Fit sport cost me about 16k. 18K for a lens, yikes. I used to have a sigma 300-800 in canon mount. I found it way to hard to get anything in the viewfinder at full zoom. Stationary objects ok but moving targets no thanks. Always zoomed back to 300 then once in viewfinder cranked zoom to 800.

Guess there are allot of rich people out there. Most of them are work alcoholics so I guess only pros that need this range will be getting one. I guess this is a staus symbol lens for Nikon. Cant imagine many of theses being sold.

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Well, Rolls Royce had a record year in 2102, so someone is making money.

Maybe those folks up in North Dakota's Bakken's will buy them up? 

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Dennis wrote:

Do you know people with boats, snowmobiles, motorcycles, ATVs or other expensive toys ? I wouldn't spend $18K on a lens, because I don't do photography seriously enough to warrant it. But some do.

- Dennis

Exactly...I'd rather be out in the woods with an 800mm f/5.6 than on a boat fishing and drinking light beer. And I wouldn't be making money either way.

And I paid less for my car (used) than I did for my 400mm f/2.8. 

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10 lbs is light for Nikon, but still heavy compared to Canon...
In reply to Joe Porto, Jan 29, 2013

I'm a little disappointed to see the 800VR come in at 10 lbs (not that I have plans to  buy one immediately). I obviously don't know all the details, but it appears that Nikon kept the front protective meniscus element that Canon chose to jettison in order to save weight on their MKII's. If rumors are correct and Canon update their 800L to MKII technology, their 800IS II should come in around 8.5 lbs, similar to their 600.

So 10 lbs isn't bad for Nikon, and the performance looks to be stellar, but if they shaved it down to 8.5 lbs or so, that would have been spectacular.

I'm also worried that this means Nikon won't be working hard to lighten it's current supertele's as much as it could have. But again, this is just speculation.

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