Should Oly bring out a competitor to the NEX6?

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don_van_vliet
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Should Oly bring out a competitor to the NEX6?
Jan 29, 2013

I think so! (Disclaimer: not trying to start an M43 vs NEX war, both are great systems).

You can buy a NEX6 body only here for £630 from Amazon, whilst the OMD is £1000. If I was a serious amateur choosing a mirrorless system for the first time I think I would find the NEX6 option very compelling. I really hope Oly come up with something with a more competitive price in the near future. Maybe a cheaper OM-D (or PEN) with a viewfinder, PEN-quality IBIS, no weather sealing and a slightly lower build quality?

It would need to be sufficiently different that the additional price of the EM-5 is justified. Maybe we won't see a cheaper alternative until the EM-5 successor comes along...?

EDIT: Sorry for the Olympus bias! I know that Panasonic have some great competitively priced with EVFs. Personally I prefer non-DSLR styling and IBIS.

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Yes, yes, yes, and the sooner the better.
In reply to don_van_vliet, Jan 29, 2013

Panasonic or Olympus, I prefer Panasonic because of the better menue.

And the latest sensor (GH3 or E-M5) of course.

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I think that the E-P3 successor will be the RF shaped camera with integrated VF many ar dreaming of. It is rumored to come out soon, but I don't expect it to be cheaper than the E-M5 : just tailored for a different set of users. Look at the actual prices of the E-Pl5, it doesn't cost much less than the E-M5, at least here. There will be a cheaper alternative to the E-M5. It was already stated at the launch of the E-M5, but the next OM-D may well rather be the "pro" camera allowing the use of the regular FT lenses to focus with PDAF.

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Should Sony bring out a competitor to the E-M5?
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Because the 5 axis IBIS is a killer feature for using legacy lenses.....just sayin'......

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5-axis and focus peaking and Metabones speed booster....
In reply to papillon_65, Jan 29, 2013

5-axis and focus peaking and Metabones speed booster would be very compelling indeed.

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don_van_vliet wrote:

5-axis and focus peaking and Metabones speed booster would be very compelling indeed.

There is no focus peaking at OM-D. Just rumors...
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Re: Should Sony bring out a competitor to the E-M5?
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Because the 5 axis IBIS is a killer feature for using legacy lenses.....just sayin'......

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Is this the reason that some place like Japan OMD is not selling very well. Even the joke of the year pentax Q was sold more?

Is this killer feature killing the OMD?

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Re: 5-axis and focus peaking and Metabones speed booster....
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I am aware of that, I was speculating on the future.

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Re: Should Sony bring out a competitor to the E-M5?
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Get back under your bridge!!!

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Re: Should Sony bring out a competitor to the E-M5?
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The reason I didn't get a Nex was the lenses issue.  Heaps more to choose from with the M43 selection.  If I was just after a 'modern' looking CSC camera though, the Nex6 would be hard to beat, but in terms of investing in a 'system', it kinda lost out. Sony won't be sitting still though, you can count on that.

I think the new E-P5 or whatever it's going to be called, needs to essentially be a retro styled compact design not dissimilar to what the E-P3 is, but with the E-M5's innards and a viewfinder.  It doesn't need IBIS.  It does however need a 25mm f2.0 prime kit as an option.

The next OM-D?  It really just needs PDAF and incremental improvements overall, doesn't it?

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zxaar wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Because the 5 axis IBIS is a killer feature for using legacy lenses.....just sayin'......

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Is this the reason that some place like Japan OMD is not selling very well. Even the joke of the year pentax Q was sold more?

Is this killer feature killing the OMD?

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Oh really? well in the UK they can't give away the Pentax Q, they are going for a fraction of what they cost new. Clearly the photography world is abuzz with people raving all about the Q and the OMD has been a dreadful disappointment for everyone. Obviously the OMD winning awards left right and centre is no indicator whatsoever to its success, or did you miss that memo Pentax boy?
You really need to get a life son.

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zxaar wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Because the 5 axis IBIS is a killer feature for using legacy lenses.....just sayin'......

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Is this the reason that some place like Japan OMD is not selling very well. Even the joke of the year pentax Q was sold more?

This is an easy shot, but it doesn't hold much wisdom in it : do you think that Swiss clocks manufacturers are selling more 45$ Swatches ? Or more 7000$ Rolex ?  Do you think that Italian car designers are selling more Ferrari coupes than Fiat Topolini ? Or that Japanese cameras manufacturers are selling more D800 than Canon Rebels ?

Comparing apples and oranges never made sense, an entry level afordable consumer level camera in the 300-400$ price range will always attract more casual shooters and buyers than an enthusiast camera costing three times as much.  Give it a thought : are there more casual photographers or enthusiast photographers in the world ? and are there more wealthier people or more lower income people ?

Is this killer feature killing the OMD?

Rather your killer comparison is killing me 

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papillon_65 wrote:

zxaar wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Because the 5 axis IBIS is a killer feature for using legacy lenses.....just sayin'......

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Is this the reason that some place like Japan OMD is not selling very well. Even the joke of the year pentax Q was sold more?

Is this killer feature killing the OMD?

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::> Knowledge is mother of efficiency.

Oh really? well in the UK they can't give away the Pentax Q, they are going for a fraction of what they cost new. Clearly the photography world is abuzz with people raving all about the Q and the OMD has been a dreadful disappointment for everyone. Obviously the OMD winning awards left right and centre is no indicator whatsoever to its success, or did you miss that memo Pentax boy?
You really need to get a life son.

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Still it did not sell more than Q in Japan in 2012. Thats the fact.

You and other OMD fanboys can jump all you want up and down, it won't change the facts. I know it hurts your feelings but sometime truth is bitter.

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Maklike Tier wrote:

The reason I didn't get a Nex was the lenses issue. Heaps more to choose from with the M43 selection. If I was just after a 'modern' looking CSC camera though, the Nex6 would be hard to beat, but in terms of investing in a 'system', it kinda lost out. Sony won't be sitting still though, you can count on that.

I agree about the NEX lens issue. The native NEX AF lenses have no interest for me whatsoever. For me, a NEX-6 would be a great system for adapting my assortment of manual lenses. I've been debating whether to upgrade to a GH3 or get a NEX-6, but then I couldn't use my favorite M4/3 lenses (SLR magic 12mm, 7-14mm, Voigtländer 25mm) on the NEX and do NOT want to carry 2 cameras.

So, I'll just wait to see if Oly or Panasonic will finally release a true rangefinder body. It's LONG overdue!

The next OM-D? It really just needs PDAF and incremental improvements overall, doesn't it?

For the Next OMD, Oly needs to focus on decent ergonomics and improving their menu system and UI. While I love the output, I found handling sadly sub-par. Adding a $300 external grip defeats the purpose of a small camera body.

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zxaar wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

zxaar wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Because the 5 axis IBIS is a killer feature for using legacy lenses.....just sayin'......

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Is this the reason that some place like Japan OMD is not selling very well. Even the joke of the year pentax Q was sold more?

Is this killer feature killing the OMD?

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::> Knowledge is mother of efficiency.

Oh really? well in the UK they can't give away the Pentax Q, they are going for a fraction of what they cost new. Clearly the photography world is abuzz with people raving all about the Q and the OMD has been a dreadful disappointment for everyone. Obviously the OMD winning awards left right and centre is no indicator whatsoever to its success, or did you miss that memo Pentax boy?
You really need to get a life son.

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Still it did not sell more than Q in Japan in 2012. Thats the fact.

Yea, I've been in a deep depression about that for some time, it's so upsetting......

You and other OMD fanboys can jump all you want up and down, it won't change the facts. I know it hurts your feelings but sometime truth is bitter.

You mean as opposed to a Pentax fanboy who repeatedly trolls here touting a camera in which the manufacturer promotes the lenses as "toys", yep, it's such a burden for us to bear, when will the angst ever end.......

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You seriously do need to get a life......

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My main disappointment with NEX has been that despite the body system being now a few years old and well supported by good upgrade models, the lens line up has not followed in the same way - despite us always thinking that the next group of useful lens releases must surely just be around the corner.

Having come away from DSLR and mirrorless for a while and now ready to re-invest in something that will cover the focal range that my RX100 doesn't, I am really going around in circles as what to jump into - despite in truth everything these days being pretty decent. I find myself thinking about waiting for the next batch of releases, which is always something in the past that I've considered a bit of a waste of time - when you could actually just get cracking on with taking pictures (I quite fancy the Panasonic G5 but not enough to jump on it!).

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IIRC, Olympus was hinting there would be an OM-D placed above the E-M5 and one placed below it.  Don't know what features the 'lesser' body would lose, maybe weather sealing?  The top model might have a swivel screen or be CD-AF compatible.  But I don't think they set a timeline as to when we'd see either.

Budget permitting, I could see picking up a 'baby' OM-D as a second body, or go w a late model PEN for the lower profile

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If I hadn't chose the omd I would have chose the epl-5 over the nex 6 as I prefer the layout and ergonomics of the olympus setup over the sony setup.

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The answer to the original question is yes. An EVF squeezed into an EPL5 would be what they need, but it requires some  big time electronics integration  to get small and Olympus doesn't have as many chip designers as a Sony. The IBIS and the SSWF ckeaner  is inherently bigger than the SOny package too.

Expect that camera, but in 2013? Maybe.

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zxaar wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Because the 5 axis IBIS is a killer feature for using legacy lenses.....just sayin'......

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Is this the reason that some place like Japan OMD is not selling very well. Even the joke of the year pentax Q was sold more?

The Q is a delightful little camera at current prices ($250 w/kit zoom).  The joke was the original price.  The camera itself is great.

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