Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

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Younster10 Regular Member • Posts: 267
Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

Hi guys

I'm looking for a decent fast wide angle prime that doesn't weigh to much. It should be decent enough to use wide open on my D7000.

I was thinking about the 24 f2.8D. Does anyone have better ideas?

I would like to use it on vacation as wide angle walkaround lens, for shots during dinner, indoor, etc...

Thanks alot!!

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Younster10 OP Regular Member • Posts: 267
Re: Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

I forgot to mention, it shouldn't cost to much on about 300 euros give or take.

Thanks

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N i c k New Member • Posts: 2
Re: Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

I had the same problem. I was used to a 18-70mm DX lens for vacation and noticed that most of my shots were at 18mm (27mm FX equivalent). So when I bought a new D600 FX camera I chose the Nikkon 24mm f1/4 lens. Bit expensive sure, but love the image quality and I don't regret it. Offcourse ideal for indoor/low light. What I want to say, 24mm is a nice wide angle for vacation

slimandy Forum Pro • Posts: 16,268
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24mm isn't that wide on DX .... 36mm equivalent on 35mm or FX - that's what I use as my standard lens.

f2.8 isn't that fast either. If you're happy with f2.8 I would rather get a 17~50mm f2.8. Ideally I'd get the latest Sigma version with OS, but on a limited budget get the Tamron.

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N i c k New Member • Posts: 2
Re: Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

N i c k wrote:

What I want to say, 24mm is a nice wide angle for vacation

In addition: 24mm on an FX camera off course, on a DX I would prefer 16mm. Maybe the Nikon AF-S 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR DX is a good option. Don't have experience with the VR in low light.

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kormendi_adam Contributing Member • Posts: 882
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There is no such thing as a good, cheap, wide-angle prime for DX. 24mm is not wide on DX, and 20mm and 16mm primes are bloody expensive.

If your budget is limited to €300, you can forget 2.8 DX zooms too (unless you find a Tamron 17-50 in mint condition for that money, in which case, you should grab it).

The best for you might be to get a 18-105VR. At 18mm it is f3.5, and combined with the VR, it should deliver you quite acceptable images. I know, it is not 2.8, but it is much wider than 24mm and that is the best bang for money for DX. The 16-85 is out of your budget range.



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Re: Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

Younster10 wrote:

I forgot to mention, it shouldn't cost to much on about 300 euros give or take.

Thanks

What is your kit lens? It's probably just fine around 18-24mm wide angle. You've already got it so it's free from here on out and probably a better lens than you can purchase for your budget.

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Younster10 OP Regular Member • Posts: 267
Re: Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

Guidenet wrote:

Younster10 wrote:

I forgot to mention, it shouldn't cost to much on about 300 euros give or take.

Thanks

What is your kit lens? It's probably just fine around 18-24mm wide angle. You've already got it so it's free from here on out and probably a better lens than you can purchase for your budget.

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I got the 18-105 and a 50 f1.8G. the kit lens isn't fast enough for most indoor shots (is say most). Yes it's sharp no complains about that but I would like a small prime for the indoor shots in dimly lit situations.

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Younster10 OP Regular Member • Posts: 267
Re: Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

slimandy wrote:

24mm isn't that wide on DX .... 36mm equivalent on 35mm or FX - that's what I use as my standard lens.

f2.8 isn't that fast either. If you're happy with f2.8 I would rather get a 17~50mm f2.8. Ideally I'd get the latest Sigma version with OS, but on a limited budget get the Tamron.

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It isn't indeed a true wide angle on DX but I think it should fit my needs.

You might be right about the Tamron, if I buy that one I get the versatality of a zoom plus the f2.8..

choices, choices...

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BobSC Veteran Member • Posts: 3,664
Re: Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

Younster10 wrote:

slimandy wrote:

24mm isn't that wide on DX .... 36mm equivalent on 35mm or FX - that's what I use as my standard lens.

f2.8 isn't that fast either. If you're happy with f2.8 I would rather get a 17~50mm f2.8. Ideally I'd get the latest Sigma version with OS, but on a limited budget get the Tamron.

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It isn't indeed a true wide angle on DX but I think it should fit my needs.

You might be right about the Tamron, if I buy that one I get the versatality of a zoom plus the f2.8..

choices, choices...

I have the 24/2.8 AIs and I think it's a great lens on my d200. Since you have the kit lens set it to 24 and spend a day looking through it. If you're happy with the field of view, then go for it.

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Younster10 wrote:

Guidenet wrote:

Younster10 wrote:

I forgot to mention, it shouldn't cost to much on about 300 euros give or take.

Thanks

What is your kit lens? It's probably just fine around 18-24mm wide angle. You've already got it so it's free from here on out and probably a better lens than you can purchase for your budget.

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I got the 18-105 and a 50 f1.8G. the kit lens isn't fast enough for most indoor shots (is say most). Yes it's sharp no complains about that but I would like a small prime for the indoor shots in dimly lit situations.

Well now, your 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 is a VR lens with f/3.5 at the wide end. That's only 2/3 of a stop more than a 24 f/2.8 or 20 f/2.8 prime lens which is not enough to worry about. Your ISO can take care of that and VR will easily tump that on static subjects, portraits and the like.

No, they just don't make a reasonably priced fast wide prime for your camera. The wider you go  the more expensive it becomes to make the lens fast. A 24 f/1.4 which would be 2 2/3 stops faster than what you have will cost you closer to 2000 Euros and not be as wide as what you have.

You have the cheapest fairly wide and fairly fast lens right now. You just need to learn how to use it. You might also wish to learn how to use a good external flash which would be money much better spent, IMO. The Nikon SB700 comes to mind.

You'd have to go to FX full frame to be able to make use of less expensive wides like the Nikon 28 f/1.8 at around 800 Euros or the Sigma 35 f/1.4 at close to 1000 Euros. They are just not wide on a crop camera lke yours.

You could maybe get a Samyang or something 14 f/2.8 but it's manual focus and a little more than your budget. That's about the only thing there is.

Seriously, learn to use what you have. It's a superb wide and fairly fast lens when you're wide. It's considered probably sharper than many of the old primes you'd be looking at. Just set your zoom to 18 and f/3.5 and you'll have exactly what you need without spending more cash. Really. Believe me.

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Exactly what I said. You are 100% right
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Re: Exactly what I said. You are 100% right Well

I think the OP might just be wanting to spend money to spend money and the thrill of new glass. I think if she/he wants to spend money on a camera, a flash makes more sense than duplicating what he/she has already. We've all been down that road when we were novices. I remember buying a used Soligor 135 when I already had a wonderful Takumar 105. That Soligor was just priced cheap and I was 11 years old with lawnmowing money burning a hole in my pocket.

Never used that cheap lens. It's called "Instant Gratificationitis." In the Nikon world we can also call it NAS, Nikon Aquisition Syndrome. That's where we buy it without having mastered what we have. 300 Euros won't buy any of the suggestions that have been made brand new. Even the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 is more like $450 USD. It's a good lens but it's slow focusing and hunts a bit. That's the point and he owns one of the best kit lenses in the business. Sharp as a tack. So we go over budget and basically duplicate what we have.

To the OP, if you just have to spend the money, get the Nikon 35 f/1.8. Again, that's not wide on a DX camera but the lens is very good and sells for $195 USD or whatever that is in Euros. That's the widest currently made DX Nikon prime.

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Younster10 OP Regular Member • Posts: 267
Re: Exactly what I said. You are 100% right Well

Guidenet wrote:

I think the OP might just be wanting to spend money to spend money and the thrill of new glass. I think if she/he wants to spend money on a camera, a flash makes more sense than duplicating what he/she has already. We've all been down that road when we were novices. I remember buying a used Soligor 135 when I already had a wonderful Takumar 105. That Soligor was just priced cheap and I was 11 years old with lawnmowing money burning a hole in my pocket.

Never used that cheap lens. It's called "Instant Gratificationitis." In the Nikon world we can also call it NAS, Nikon Aquisition Syndrome. That's where we buy it without having mastered what we have. 300 Euros won't buy any of the suggestions that have been made brand new. Even the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 is more like $450 USD. It's a good lens but it's slow focusing and hunts a bit. That's the point and he owns one of the best kit lenses in the business. Sharp as a tack. So we go over budget and basically duplicate what we have.

To the OP, if you just have to spend the money, get the Nikon 35 f/1.8. Again, that's not wide on a DX camera but the lens is very good and sells for $195 USD or whatever that is in Euros. That's the widest currently made DX Nikon prime.

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Guys thanks for all this usefull information. I already have an SB 700, but on a vacation it might be a bit annoying to take it with me everywhere.

The thing about my kitlens might be right, as well as the thing about those syndromes I think it is better to save my money to get a real good lens.

Thanks a lot!!

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Unfortunately, the 24F2.8D isn't very sharp wide open.    (In my experience, it's not particularly good in any way).

24mm on DX also isn't wide at all.    You'd be better off with most of the 18-xxx consumer zooms, but if you want 2.8 or faster, keep looking.

I have test shots of my 24F2.8 D if you need convincing that it's not all that great, but they are on a D700, and of course it stresses the corners a lot more than a DX camera.

There just aren't a lot of choices in a wide DX prime.    I do like my 10.5 F2.8 fisheye, but it's a fisheye...

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Rich Rosen Senior Member • Posts: 1,937
Re: Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

Younster10 wrote:

Hi guys

I'm looking for a decent fast wide angle prime that doesn't weigh to much. It should be decent enough to use wide open on my D7000.

I was thinking about the 24 f2.8D. Does anyone have better ideas?

I would like to use it on vacation as wide angle walkaround lens, for shots during dinner, indoor, etc...

Thanks alot!!

If you want wide open, and fast, you will need to spend money, a lot more than 300 euros. Some body mentioned that the 24 2.8 is not a great lens. The new 24 1.4g is $2000. Craig mentioned that at the wide end the kit lens for the D7000 is only a half a stop slower. Not bad, and considering the low light capability of your D7000, save yourself some money, which I believe is the same conclusion you already came to. Good move.

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sroute Senior Member • Posts: 2,497
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Alternatively... save a bit and buy a good used FX body, which will open up to you more options for wide angle lenses without losing the focal length advantage due to the crop factor on DX.

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kormendi_adam wrote:

OT: Just out of curiosity... Are you really pouring water into wine? Local custom? Bad wine? Like sparking red?

Younster10 OP Regular Member • Posts: 267
Re: Lens suggestion: wide angle for vacation

sroute wrote:

Alternatively... save a bit and buy a good used FX body, which will open up to you more options for wide angle lenses without losing the focal length advantage due to the crop factor on DX.

and which one would you suggest to get second hand?

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Wine + sparkling water = great beverage

In this part of Europe (Germany, Austria, Hungary, Checz Rep...etc.) we do this on a daily basis

Try it. 100ml wine + 200ml sparkling water. You are going to love it, especially on hot summer days.

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